ancient cobol applications
local news just had item about ancient software at state agencies, 619 major cobol applications developed in 80s ... frequent crashesoutages, almost impossible to maintain or change ... in part because of the lack of cobol programmers. The state is even considering setting up financial incentive for schools to produce cobol programmers. -- virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: ancient cobol applications
That's not the only causemanagement being cheap, an issue I have seen for years...experienced people are worth their weight on 'gold' . On Saturday, February 7, 2015, Anne Lynn Wheeler l...@garlic.com wrote: local news just had item about ancient software at state agencies, 619 major cobol applications developed in 80s ... frequent crashesoutages, almost impossible to maintain or change ... in part because of the lack of cobol programmers. The state is even considering setting up financial incentive for schools to produce cobol programmers. -- virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu javascript:; with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: ancient cobol applications
and companies not looking to the future for requirements. There are probably a number of employees in the mid-40s that could be trained and let the newbies pick up the LUW support going forward. Mitch -Original Message- From: Scott Ford idfzos...@gmail.com To: IBM-MAIN IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Sat, Feb 7, 2015 2:48 pm Subject: Re: ancient cobol applications That's not the only causemanagement being cheap, an issue I have seen for years...experienced people are worth their weight on 'gold' . On Saturday, February 7, 2015, Anne Lynn Wheeler l...@garlic.com wrote: local news just had item about ancient software at state agencies, 619 major cobol applications developed in 80s ... frequent crashesoutages, almost impossible to maintain or change ... in part because of the lack of cobol programmers. The state is even considering setting up financial incentive for schools to produce cobol programmers. -- virtualization experience starting Jan1968, online at home since Mar1970 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu javascript:; with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: ancient cobol applications
http://www.king5.com/story/news/local/2015/02/06/old-computers-state-government-agencies/22953063/ On Sat, 7 Feb 2015 19:50:10 -0500, scott wrote: Which state agencies? Some out of work programmers would probably love to do some meaningful work. On 02/07/2015 01:01 PM, Anne Lynn Wheeler wrote: local news just had item about ancient software at state agencies, 619 major cobol applications developed in 80s ... frequent crashesoutages, almost impossible to maintain or change ... in part because of the lack of cobol programmers. The state is even considering setting up financial incentive for schools to produce cobol programmers. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Other COBOL upgrades that might be worth having was Re: Compile COBOL Programs In 64 Bit.
On 14 Jan 2015 16:57:26 -0800, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: Hi,I am looking for COBOL compiler option to compile our COBOL programs in = 64 Bit mode.Please lead me if you have such a experience .The COBOL version= is 4.2 on Z9 with z/OS 1.12. Best regardsManshadi AMODE 64 COBOL is still being worked on here at IBM. I (like the other poster) would like to know what you would do with AMODE 64 COBOL? Also, does everyone realize that AMODE 64 code will run slower than AMODE 31 code? We assume that AMODE 64 COBOL will be used for very specialized one-off cases to solve specific business problems, and that in general 99% of code will be compiled for AMODE 31 even after we ship AMODE 64 COBOL. Unlike AMODE 31, which we expected EVERYONE to move to (still waiting :-) we do not think very many users will need AMODE 64 in the next 10-15 years. We are gathering use cases and verifiable needs for AMODE 64 COBOL, so if you know of any, please SHARE! (get it? :-) While I can't Cheers, TomR COBOL is the Language of the Future! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Anthem Healthcare Hacked
Tom Brennan writes: Maybe someone can tell me what difference it makes whether the data was encrypted on disk or not (as some news reports are talking about). I mean, if I do a SELECT * from an admin id I must be going through the decrypt process, right? No, that's not a given. Many financial transaction systems -- handling credit and debit cards, for example -- store sensitive information using various hash functions. (The new IBM z13 includes a new format-preserving encryption standard that's quite handy.) There's also the fact administrative IDs typically shouldn't be allowed to do SELECT * -- and then SELECT * isn't actually SELECT-the-entire-database when you're using MLS. In a reasonably well run shop (or better) DB2 DBAs don't actually get end user data access authority. I can't remember what version of DB2 introduced the more strict role-based separation, but I think it was at least as far back as DB2 Version 8. I'm assuming customers use IBM mainframes and use these wonderful capabilities (and others) IBM provides. Big assumptions, sadly violated too often. Timothy Sipples IT Architect Executive, Industry Solutions, IBM z Systems, AP/GCG/MEA E-Mail: sipp...@sg.ibm.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Anthem Healthcare Hacked
One of an article says the hack assumingly happened from an external Web storage. So not a mainframe ? Jake On 8 Feb 2015 08:31, Timothy Sipples sipp...@sg.ibm.com wrote: Tom Brennan writes: Maybe someone can tell me what difference it makes whether the data was encrypted on disk or not (as some news reports are talking about). I mean, if I do a SELECT * from an admin id I must be going through the decrypt process, right? No, that's not a given. Many financial transaction systems -- handling credit and debit cards, for example -- store sensitive information using various hash functions. (The new IBM z13 includes a new format-preserving encryption standard that's quite handy.) There's also the fact administrative IDs typically shouldn't be allowed to do SELECT * -- and then SELECT * isn't actually SELECT-the-entire-database when you're using MLS. In a reasonably well run shop (or better) DB2 DBAs don't actually get end user data access authority. I can't remember what version of DB2 introduced the more strict role-based separation, but I think it was at least as far back as DB2 Version 8. I'm assuming customers use IBM mainframes and use these wonderful capabilities (and others) IBM provides. Big assumptions, sadly violated too often. Timothy Sipples IT Architect Executive, Industry Solutions, IBM z Systems, AP/GCG/MEA E-Mail: sipp...@sg.ibm.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: ancient cobol applications
Scott: I am far from an expert in these areas but here are some thoughts. From what little I have seen here in IL here are some guesses: 1. Budgets are not only bare bones but are downright disgraceful. Year after year the budgets are FROZEN and that means doing less with no new equipment. The 3270's are cheap shells and are filthy due to smoking in most cases they aren't 3270's at all but are cheaply made replacements. 2. Politicians regularly rob peter to pocket the money in another budget leaving zero dollars for replacements. 3. Politicians stealing the money and pocketing it. 4. no one wants to raise taxes to pay for anything so equipment deteriates and the same goes for wages. 5. Working for the state is a dead end job money wise. ANd on and on Ed On Feb 7, 2015, at 6:50 PM, scott wrote: Which state agencies? Some out of work programmers would probably love to do some meaningful work. On 02/07/2015 01:01 PM, Anne Lynn Wheeler wrote: local news just had item about ancient software at state agencies, 619 major cobol applications developed in 80s ... frequent crashesoutages, almost impossible to maintain or change ... in part because of the lack of cobol programmers. The state is even considering setting up financial incentive for schools to produce cobol programmers. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Anthem Healthcare Hacked
On 7 February 2015 at 22:00, Timothy Sipples sipp...@sg.ibm.com wrote: I'm assuming customers use IBM mainframes and use these wonderful capabilities (and others) IBM provides. Big assumptions, sadly violated too often. Now it's (sadly) a violation to not use an IBM mainframe?! I know IBM has top lawyers and all, but I never imagined they'd be quite so successful. Somehow reminds me of the old joke that goes If the phone company can charge you $3/month to not have your number listed, just imagine how much they can charge you for not having a phone at all. Tony H. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
AW: NO response to java -version
at the prompt i issue (the fully qualifed path name is on purpose here): /usr/lpp/java/bin/java java ?version I don't have access to a system at the moment, so I might be wrong. Anyway if there is no typo in the command line as show, I think the java is duplicate. The first one at the *end* of the path is calling the java binary (the JVM). The second one is the first parameter, the -version the second parameter. Result: JVM is tring to execute some class called java.class passing it parm -version. The JVM does not see -version as a command line option. Try: /usr/lpp/java/bin/java ?version -- Peter Hunkeler -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
NO response to java -version
to all who contributed to this thread both in ibm-main and in mvs-oe after about 1459 hrs (2:59 p.m.) last friday: (mainly Messrs Mms Barkow, Justice, Hochhalter, Kugler, Carros, Gilmartin) personal problems have supervened in my life to prevent me from trying your various suggestions, and getting back to you-all, individually and collectively. rest assured that upon my return to work i shall do so and will post results as appropriate . thank you one and all so far . -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Anthem Healthcare Hacked
According to Anthem's website, it was formed by the merger of Wellpoint and Anthem. According to http://mainframes.wikidot.com/, Wellpoint is a mainframe shop. Hopefully as additional details will become available. It seems, that unless you are in the know, which I'm not, that facts are in short supply and further, talking heads have taken a license to say what they please. Like others on this list, I'm also negatively affected by this. On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 8:09 PM, Jake anderson justmainfra...@gmail.com wrote: One of an article says the hack assumingly happened from an external Web storage. So not a mainframe ? Jake On 8 Feb 2015 08:31, Timothy Sipples sipp...@sg.ibm.com wrote: Tom Brennan writes: Maybe someone can tell me what difference it makes whether the data was encrypted on disk or not (as some news reports are talking about). I mean, if I do a SELECT * from an admin id I must be going through the decrypt process, right? No, that's not a given. Many financial transaction systems -- handling credit and debit cards, for example -- store sensitive information using various hash functions. (The new IBM z13 includes a new format-preserving encryption standard that's quite handy.) There's also the fact administrative IDs typically shouldn't be allowed to do SELECT * -- and then SELECT * isn't actually SELECT-the-entire-database when you're using MLS. In a reasonably well run shop (or better) DB2 DBAs don't actually get end user data access authority. I can't remember what version of DB2 introduced the more strict role-based separation, but I think it was at least as far back as DB2 Version 8. I'm assuming customers use IBM mainframes and use these wonderful capabilities (and others) IBM provides. Big assumptions, sadly violated too often. Timothy Sipples IT Architect Executive, Industry Solutions, IBM z Systems, AP/GCG/MEA E-Mail: sipp...@sg.ibm.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: ancient cobol applications
Which state agencies? Some out of work programmers would probably love to do some meaningful work. On 02/07/2015 01:01 PM, Anne Lynn Wheeler wrote: local news just had item about ancient software at state agencies, 619 major cobol applications developed in 80s ... frequent crashesoutages, almost impossible to maintain or change ... in part because of the lack of cobol programmers. The state is even considering setting up financial incentive for schools to produce cobol programmers. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
