Re: master JCL

2019-05-29 Thread Bruce Hewson
Skip, A long time ago I read :- Building a Self-Documenting MVS/ESA System by Mark S. Hahn Reprinted with permission. ©1992 Candle Corp. Can't see to find it via Google now, but Dave Alcock has refenrce to it:- http://planetmvs.com/mvstips/#SELFDOC On Wed, 29 May 2019 23:36:59 +, Jesse 1

Re: CTC (FCTC) usage

2019-05-29 Thread Jesse 1 Robinson
Before we moved to parallel sysplex in the 90s, we had only a few real-hardware CTC devices with ragamuffin unit addresses assigned haphazardly over the years. With sysplex, we were advised by our top gun CE that shops with a greatly enlarged array of EMIF CTCs were losing control of their confi

Re: master JCL

2019-05-29 Thread Jesse 1 Robinson
Well, I'll be hornswoggled. With a little digging I found in https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/en/SSLTBW_2.1.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r1.ieae200/ieae200314.htm that the parm in IEASYSxx is MSTRJCL=(xx[,L]) along with the advice to 'use...L only for debugging purposes'. We don't seem to hav

Re: master JCL

2019-05-29 Thread David Spiegel
Hi Skip, This is a SYSLOG excerpt. IEE252I MEMBER MSTJCL00 FOUND IN ADCD.Z23A.PARMLIB . . . IEFJ200I MASTER SCHEDULER JCL FOR THIS IPL TAKEN FROM MEMBER MSTJCL00 OF  PARMLIB IEF196I 1 //MSTJCL00 JOB MSGLEVEL=(1,1),TIME=1440 IEF196I 2 // EXEC PGM=IEEMB860,DPRTY=(15,15) IEF1

Re: RSUs

2019-05-29 Thread Jesse 1 Robinson
The advertised virtue of RSU is that it represents a well-defined bundle of fixes that have been tested together in 'many' shops. The idea of tacking on an RSU label to some other fix after the bundle has shipped would seem to violate the definition and compromise its value. I think we agree tha

Re: master JCL

2019-05-29 Thread Jesse 1 Robinson
For a reeealy lonng time MVS has supported member MSTJCLxx in PARMLIB for master JCL. As for finding the content of MSTJCLxx at NIP for the current IPL, I'm at a loss. Does not seem to be captured in operlog. . . J.O.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon T

master JCL

2019-05-29 Thread Pommier, Rex
Hello listers, I'm apparently having a case of brain-drain. Is there an easy way to display the currently used master JCL? I know I can look at LINKLIB and PARMLIB and see what's there, but is there a way of displaying what's actually running? I thought at one point in time I could see it in

Re: Fwd: Just how secure are mainframes? | Trevor Eddolls

2019-05-29 Thread Seymour J Metz
I'm not sure, but I suspect that a job submitted via FTP with an invalid userid or password would just disappear. If there is no userid then it would run under the userid of the server, so that should not have access to anything sensitive. It's not rocket science, but you do have to be careful t

Re: Fwd: Just how secure are mainframes? | Trevor Eddolls

2019-05-29 Thread Seymour J Metz
I don't have enough data to estimate reliable percentages, but I have been at two shops where there were user SVCs for getting into key 0, without adequate authorization checking, and I was not permitted to remove them. In one case I was ordered to not point them out to an auditor. But I see tha

Re: Fwd: Just how secure are mainframes? | Trevor Eddolls

2019-05-29 Thread Seymour J Metz
> A single TRAP DOOR code vulnerability pierces the veil of integrity and can > be used > to compromise the mainframe. Is this a platform weakness? An application with a trap door is an application vulnerability. If there is a trap door in z/OS itself then that's a platform vulnerability. I'd b

Re: Just how secure are mainframes? | Trevor Eddolls

2019-05-29 Thread Savor, Thomas (Alpharetta)
In securing Mainframe: One thing I've noticed over the years is how a Company will "hide" their Mainframe hardware. The Hardware for me now is in a unmarked Building that looks like a bunker (I'm told). Pretty bad that the location is in my town, however the address is NOT circulated. The fi

Re: Fwd: Just how secure are mainframes? | Trevor Eddolls

2019-05-29 Thread Schuffenhauer, Mark
My sales favorite was knowing key functionality is vaporware, talking up everything the software would do some day. Then being horrified when you realize the 'decision makers' are eating it up. None of them ends up in hell when the product doesn't work and the functionality delivery date keeps

Re: ADRDSSU

2019-05-29 Thread Nai, Dean
That worked. Thanks On 5/29/19, 1:53 PMEDT, "IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of John McKown" wrote: > ATTENTION: This email has originated from outside of the organization. Do > not open attachments or click on links unless you recognize the sender and > know the content is

Re: ADRDSSU

2019-05-29 Thread John McKown
On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 12:50 PM Nai, Dean wrote: > Hi, > >Running a DR test. Trying to restore an SMS managed dataset on a floor > system that isn't SMS managed. Getting message ADR709E because it's looking > for a storage class that doesn't exist on the floor system. Any parameters > needed

Re: ADRDSSU

2019-05-29 Thread Allan Staller
RESTORE NSC NMC BPYASSACS(**) -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Nai, Dean Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2019 12:50 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: ADRDSSU Hi, Running a DR test. Trying to restore an SMS managed dataset on a floor

Re: ADRDSSU

2019-05-29 Thread Lionel Dyck
On the RESTORE you can add NMC and NSC - no management class and no storage class. Hope that helps (no guarantee as I haven't tried it). Lionel B. Dyck Senior Software Engineer 21st Century Software From the Leaders in Data Stewardship™ THIS E-MAIL

ADRDSSU

2019-05-29 Thread Nai, Dean
Hi, Running a DR test. Trying to restore an SMS managed dataset on a floor system that isn't SMS managed. Getting message ADR709E because it's looking for a storage class that doesn't exist on the floor system. Any parameters needed? Any thoughts would be appreciated. Dean Nai

Re: CTC (FCTC) usage

2019-05-29 Thread Jesse 1 Robinson
Thank you, that was my point about non-CTC links. When I started here in the 90s, BSC links were still in use. First for NJE to VM/XA because our implementation did not include VTAM, and for some JES2 connections because of a perception that BSC was faster than SNA. A little testing dispelled th

Re: 64-bit C++ calling assembler

2019-05-29 Thread Don Poitras
I'm sure there are lots of ways to do this. I did it in C, not C++, but I think the following would still work: ('nargs' below can't be > 8 and I obfuscated a bit, so no guarantees...) void callhli(int hli, long nargs, ...) { va_list ap; int *args; int i, j; args = __malloc31(36); v

Re: FTPLOGGING not working

2019-05-29 Thread Frank Swarbrick
I asked but never got a response. (We're running in IBM zCloud so I can't just stand in front of someone's desk.) From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Tim Hare Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2019 9:27 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: FTPLOGGING

Re: ISPF and newer COBOL keywords

2019-05-29 Thread Frank Swarbrick
I wondered if the keyword update would affect intrinsic functions. Thanks again for the info! From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Timothy Sipples Sent: Tuesday, May 28, 2019 8:45 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: ISPF and newer COBOL ke

Re: 64-bit C++ calling assembler

2019-05-29 Thread Farley, Peter x23353
31-bit pointers can be declared in C using this syntax: char * __ptr32 ptr1; Not sure if C++ will allow that, but if it does you can set your pointers up that way and pass them as 4-byte values instead of 8-byte values. You can declare pointer arguments to your assembler routine in the same wa

Re: Fwd: Just how secure are mainframes? | Trevor Eddolls

2019-05-29 Thread Ray Overby
In response to "Mistakes, lack of time, lack of control, lack of skills. Not a platform weakness." comment: The mainframe platform, z/OS, and ESM's all rely on integrity to function. A single TRAP DOOR code vulnerability pierces the veil of integrity and can be used to compromise the mainframe.

Re: 64-bit C++ calling assembler

2019-05-29 Thread John McKown
When I am confused by this sort of thing, I ask the compiler to show me the generated assembler code that it is using. Perhaps C++ is inserting some other data in the parameter list. Also, is the HLASM routine defined with a prototype with an extern "C" ? Something like: extern "C" type0 myassem(i

Re: How to delete and allocate files in bpxbatch

2019-05-29 Thread John McKown
On Wed, May 29, 2019 at 8:38 AM Billy Ashton wrote: > John, thanks for all your help - this has increased my knowledge a lot > about BPX... One last question that I could not find in the manuals or in > Google... > > Part of this process is to download a file from a server. This file is > tersed,

64-bit C++ calling assembler

2019-05-29 Thread Pierre Fichaud
I have an assembler routine that gets called by 64-bit C++. The assembler routine uses CELQPRLG and CELQEPLG and calls DSNALI. The C++ function prototype has a variable number of arguments, the first being the number of parameters that follow in the argument list. The C++ program passes the coun

Re: Fwd: Just how secure are mainframes? | Trevor Eddolls

2019-05-29 Thread Ray Overby
Radoslaw, * I find your posts informative and helpful. * I think your English is very understandable * I respect your expertise My initial post was an attempt to get a stalled discussion moving in a more positive direction. I don't normally post but I felt that mainframe vulnerability discu

Re: How to delete and allocate files in bpxbatch

2019-05-29 Thread Billy Ashton
John, thanks for all your help - this has increased my knowledge a lot about BPX... One last question that I could not find in the manuals or in Google... Part of this process is to download a file from a server. This file is tersed, though, and I was not able to find a way to run AMATERSE from th

Re: Just how secure are mainframes? | Trevor Eddolls

2019-05-29 Thread Carmen Vitullo
well, here's my embarrassed face :( I was led to believe qradar was a tool to review security issues also, as you can tell I don't know the product well. I didn't want to dig into all the, already mentioned security issues with APF, RACF SPECIAL, UID 0,etc, but I know most places I worked for

Re: Just how secure are mainframes? | Trevor Eddolls

2019-05-29 Thread ITschak Mugzach
Carmen, t think you are mixing event audit (siem product like qradar) with status which was the subject of this thread. Siem is good, but my experience create lot of false positive alerts. ITschak בתאריך יום ד׳, 29 במאי 2019, 15:54, מאת Carmen Vitullo ‏: > That's one response I can agree with

Re: RSUs

2019-05-29 Thread Kurt Quackenbush
On 5/29/2019 3:57 AM, Styles, Andy , ITS zPlatform Services wrote: Did you really get more PTFs assigned RSU1903 the second time? Or did you simply get more PTFs? Let me explain: I believe we received new PTFs - with RSU1903 being assigned to them at the same time. That's the behaviour I'm

Re: Just how secure are mainframes? | Trevor Eddolls

2019-05-29 Thread Carmen Vitullo
That's one response I can agree with ! I didn't want to drag myself into this, I also have been working for outsourcers, who's customers were very large banks, insurance companies, worked for a very large defense contractor, state Government, and now back in one of the largest health care ins

Re: Fwd: Just how secure are mainframes? | Trevor Eddolls

2019-05-29 Thread ITschak Mugzach
Where is the list moderator when we need him/her. Some people here completely lost their manners. ITschak בתאריך יום ד׳, 29 במאי 2019, 14:19, מאת Bill Johnson ‏< 0047540adefe-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu>: > Nah, I’ll go back to lurking. I forgot many of you already know everything. > > > S

Re: Fwd: Just how secure are mainframes? | Trevor Eddolls

2019-05-29 Thread Bill Johnson
Nah, I’ll go back to lurking. I forgot many of you already know everything. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Wednesday, May 29, 2019, 6:02 AM, Richards, Robert B. <01c91f408b9e-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: Questioning the integrity of a man with his credentials and background i

Re: Fwd: Just how secure are mainframes? | Trevor Eddolls

2019-05-29 Thread Richards, Robert B.
Radoslaw, you took my reply entirely wrong. I'll try to restate it better. Over many years, banks have been very susceptible to fraud, break-ins, hackers, insider shananigans, corrupt employees, etc. But they have learned. Experience taught them that and it is a tough lesson to learn. I worked,

Re: CTC (FCTC) usage

2019-05-29 Thread R.S.
NJE over BSC was obsolete 20 years ago. However IMHO it's easier to use NJE over TCPIP than over CTC/VTAM. NJE over TCPIP is also not new, probably 10+ years. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland W dniu 2019-05-29 o 03:30, Tony Thigpen pisze: I am talking about JES2 controlled CTCs for NJE,

Re: Fwd: Just how secure are mainframes? | Trevor Eddolls

2019-05-29 Thread ITschak Mugzach
I didn't offer anything. Read the thread from begining. I was the first to confirm the PEOPLE is the main issue. Yes, I don't think clients buy mainframes because they are more secure, i don't know if there are new clients for mainframes in the last few years. Most, if not all, mainframe clients

Re: Fwd: Just how secure are mainframes? | Trevor Eddolls

2019-05-29 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2019-05-29 o 12:09, Richards, Robert B. pisze: I'm still sure thank banks are less susceptible to break in than regular house Yeah, experience is a tough task master, isn't it? Who is task master? Do you try to insult me? Just because you disagree with my opinions? -- Radoslaw Skorupka

Re: Fwd: Just how secure are mainframes? | Trevor Eddolls

2019-05-29 Thread R.S.
That's classical FUD. Frightening people. "if an exploit", "if job reads you RACF db", "unintended consequences". What exactly hacking scenario can provide RACF db to the hacker? Yes, I saw APF libraries with UACC(ALTER), UID(0) as standard TSO user attribute, even UPDATE to RACF db. But it's pro

Re: Fwd: Just how secure are mainframes? | Trevor Eddolls

2019-05-29 Thread ITschak Mugzach
Radoslav, I just tried to demonstrate the fact that ibm sometime don't confirm the risk before it fix it and many of the industry ayyack methodd are also posible with new technologies broght to mainframe. While i accept this strategy from client security point of view, you can't relay on that they

Re: Fwd: Just how secure are mainframes? | Trevor Eddolls

2019-05-29 Thread Richards, Robert B.
> I'm still sure thank banks are less susceptible to break in than regular house Yeah, experience is a tough task master, isn't it? Bob -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of R.S. Sent: Wednesday, May 29, 2019 6:04 AM To: I

Re: Fwd: Just how secure are mainframes? | Trevor Eddolls

2019-05-29 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2019-05-28 o 19:01, ITschak Mugzach pisze: Radoslav, "Claiming that z/OS has flaws as other systems is the same as claiming bank is vulnerable to burglars as houses" I am sure you've heard of mettdown an Spectre. IBM CPU have same issues as any other cpu in market -( ITschak, I'm sure th

Re: Fwd: Just how secure are mainframes? | Trevor Eddolls

2019-05-29 Thread Richards, Robert B.
Questioning the integrity of a man with his credentials and background in mainframe security for over 30+ years? Who the hell are you that I should even listen to one more word from you? Better to be a fool and know it than open your mouth and remove all shadow of doubt. Bill, if you can overco

Final reminder - Next meeting of the GSE UK Security Working Group

2019-05-29 Thread Mark Wilson
Ladies and Gentlemen, A gentle reminder that the next meeting of the GSE UK Security Working Group, will take place on Thursday 6th June 2019 at the new offices of RSM Partners in Bromsgrove, UK (a 40 minute drive from Birmingham Airport). If you cannot attend in person, you are welcome to joi

Re: RSUs

2019-05-29 Thread Styles, Andy (ITS zPlatform Services)
Classification: Public Hi Kurt, > Did you really get more PTFs assigned RSU1903 the second time? Or did you > simply get > more PTFs? Let me explain: I believe we received new PTFs - with RSU1903 being assigned to them at the same time. That's the behaviour I'm querying - and I think you agr