Re: Mainframe Modernization

2021-10-21 Thread David Crayford
for iPhone On Thursday, October 21, 2021, 9:13 PM, David Crayford wrote: On 21/10/2021 7:31 am, Bill Johnson wrote: I do almost everything important via app with a mainframe on the back end. Banking, health records, retail shopping, insurance claims, investing. And with very high confidence th

Re: Mainframe Modernization

2021-10-22 Thread David Crayford
s, I’ve worked in 15 shops in my career, including banking, insurance, retail, and health care. In all of them, the mainframe is the most important and most used platform. And it’s not even close. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Thursday, October 21, 2021, 9:13 PM, David Crayford wrote: O

Re: Mainframe Modernization

2021-10-22 Thread David Crayford
On 22/10/2021 3:51 pm, Andrew Rowley wrote: On 22/10/2021 2:46 am, A T & T Management wrote:     Java, it has to be translated each time it run, provided you know the language and it's been debugged.  Schools may teach it but they too want to make money and look good because they can say it's m

Re: C signal() and abends not being signaled

2021-10-22 Thread David Crayford
On 22/10/2021 5:18 pm, Jantje. wrote: That said, as @Joe says, the C signal handling is not real conducive to "make note of the problem and continue on where you were" processing. O, and returning from the signal handler does indeed resume processing after the instruction that caused the aben

Re: Mainframe Modernization

2021-10-22 Thread David Crayford
On 22/10/2021 5:59 pm, Radoslaw Skorupka wrote: W dniu 22.10.2021 o 03:12, David Crayford pisze: On 21/10/2021 7:31 am, Bill Johnson wrote: I do almost everything important via app with a mainframe on the back end. Banking, health records, retail shopping, insurance claims, investing. And

Re: Mainframe Modernization

2021-10-22 Thread David Crayford
Haha, you don't give up. How about this. HSBC has nearly $3T dollars in assets. They have integrated their mainframe with Amazons AWS cloud. You've been pwned man, take a breather. "For large financial institutions, it can be extremely hard to predict when your architecture may need to scale t

Re: C signal() and abends not being signaled

2021-10-22 Thread David Crayford
du/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of David Crayford [dcrayf...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, October 21, 2021 8:22 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: C signal() and abends not being signaled You're using the wrong signal. SIGABND

Re: Mainframe Modernization

2021-10-22 Thread David Crayford
Customers couldn't board their planes. It doesn't matter how solid your IT platforms are when humans can make errors. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Friday, October 22, 2021, 7:38 PM, David Crayford wrote: Haha, you don't give up. How about this. HSBC has nearly $3T dol

Re: Mainframe Modernization

2021-10-22 Thread David Crayford
I wouldn’t be touting their decision making. Also, the AWS signing was so they could layoff thousands of employees. A move that wreaks of desperation. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Friday, October 22, 2021, 9:39 PM, David Crayford wrote: On 23/10/2021 9:04 am, Bill Johnson wrote: No

Re: Mainframe Modernization

2021-10-23 Thread David Crayford
On 23/10/2021 6:52 am, Andrew Rowley wrote: On 22/10/2021 8:21 pm, David Crayford wrote: I wouldn't consider a drag race using a prime number sieve a good indication of the overall performance of Java on z/OS. That's a very specific use case and not one that anybody would ever

Re: Which C library functions imply dub?

2017-03-08 Thread David Crayford
On 8/03/2017 9:15 PM, David Griffiths1 wrote: Hi, not sure of the definitive answer but you can probably take a guess by comparing with the Metal C library. By definition Metal C calls don't require access to the unix kernel. In fact if you don't want to connect to OMVS why not use Metal C anyway

Re: Which C library functions imply dub?

2017-03-09 Thread David Crayford
use of the disparity with compilers from other platforms. Cheers, Dave Griffiths z/OS Developer IBM United Kingdom Limited, Hursley Park, Winchester, SO21 2JN, UK From: David Crayford To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: 08/03/2017 13:52 Subject:Re: Which C library function

Re: C fprintf() format code for 32-bit float?

2017-03-13 Thread David Crayford
Because forintf() has a variadic argument list the float is converted to a double. This is called "default argument promotions". You may want to dig out a copy of the C99 standard. > On 14 Mar 2017, at 7:55 am, Charles Mills wrote: > > OK. I just coded a static_cast on @Gil's suggestion. Shou

Re: 64 bit execution above the bar

2017-03-29 Thread David Crayford
On 29/03/2017 6:48 PM, Ed Jaffe wrote: What's missing is binder/loader/contents support to load/manage executable RMODE(64) modules and enough officially-supported SVC and PC-entered z/OS services to make running programs there feasible. After that, you would need compiler and HLL run-time la

Re: Data/hiperspaces (was: ... 4G bar?)

2017-03-30 Thread David Crayford
On 31/03/2017 2:54 AM, David W Noon wrote: On Thu, 30 Mar 2017 13:01:26 -0500, Paul Gilmartin (000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu) wrote about "Data/hiperspaces (was: ... 4G bar?)" (in <1090839201676758.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu>): [snip] ... HLL programs cannot us

Re: Data/hiperspaces (was: ... 4G bar?)

2017-03-30 Thread David Crayford
On 31/03/2017 3:27 AM, John McKown wrote: So, any HLL has only indirect access to dataspaces and hiperspaces. What's the definition of a "HLL"? Anything that isn't assembler. Some people think C is a LLL, but that's just wishful thinking. C is ..., um, That is, it's ... . Got it: a good lan

Re: Data/hiperspaces (was: ... 4G bar?)

2017-03-30 Thread David Crayford
On 31/03/2017 11:58 AM, Tony Harminc wrote: On 30 March 2017 at 22:29, David Crayford wrote: I'm almost certain that IBM have a z/OS port of clang/LLVM because I've seen evidence in their libuv port on github. Using the LLVM backend it's possible to port a plethora of la

Re: A Little off the Beaten Path

2017-04-03 Thread David Crayford
Developing web applications in 2017 is trivial but you're going to have to learn some new tricks! Luckily it's no particularily onerous. The back-ends of some of the most popular sites on the web are written using scripting languages. Take Ruby on Rails as an example. It's a full blown MVC fram

Re: A Little off the Beaten Path

2017-04-03 Thread David Crayford
On 2/04/2017 7:57 AM, Steve Beaver wrote: My challenge is that I don't do C/S applications which to me is a small CICS. I have absolutely no idea how to do anything in that world. I have my brother going in the Direction of RACKSPACE and let them instantiate Redhat Linux and take care of the

Re: What are mainframes

2017-04-05 Thread David Crayford
On 5/04/2017 8:05 PM, big.e.smalls wrote: I think he did a good job, https://youtu.be/ximv-PwAKnc I enjoyed it. It's a good take on how millennials should view the mainframe. It's not about massive computing power it's about reliability.

Re: What are mainframes

2017-04-06 Thread David Crayford
On 6/04/2017 6:35 PM, Bill Woodger wrote: Just to note, the UK Weather Centre (The Meteorological Office, or Met Office) uses a big-boy LinuxONE and they were an early user of that. Do you know what they use if for? Probably not for weather forecasting algorithms. --

Re: What are mainframes

2017-04-06 Thread David Crayford
On 6/04/2017 7:30 PM, Bill Woodger wrote: On 6/04/2017 6:35 PM, Bill Woodger wrote: Just to note, the UK Weather Centre (The Meteorological Office, or Met Office) uses a big-boy LinuxONE and they were an early user of that. Do you know what they use if for? Probably not for weather forecasting

Re: Fwd: Apache Spark on z listserver or forum?

2017-04-07 Thread David Crayford
On 7/04/2017 9:50 PM, Erin Farr wrote: Hi, Our site is currently in the very early stages of dabbling with Apache Spark on z and was wondering if there is a Listserver or Forum specifically for Apache Spark on z. Thanks, Roger We now have a forum on DeveloperWorks. Tag questions with zos-

Re: Fwd: Apache Spark on z listserver or forum?

2017-04-07 Thread David Crayford
On 8/04/2017 1:16 AM, Tony Harminc wrote: On 7 April 2017 at 09:57, David Crayford wrote: I wish IBM would start to embrace Stack Overflow a little bit more as the user experience is far superior to DeveloperWorks both in terms of UX and effeciency. I find mailing lists (like this one!) offer

Re: What are mainframes

2017-04-11 Thread David Crayford
On 11/04/2017 8:34 PM, Parwez Hamid wrote: The Met Office a HPC and 2 x IBM LinuxOne Servers. The HPC does the lager part of the number crunching. http://www.itproportal.com/news/met-office-gets-new-mainframe-can-handle-23000-trillion-calculations-per-second/ "According to a press release, this

Re: z/OS PL/I 5.1 with "continuous delivery announced".

2017-04-11 Thread David Crayford
On 11/04/2017 9:01 PM, John McKown wrote: http://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/ShowDoc.wss?docURL=/common/ssi/rep_ca/6/897/ENUS217-186/index.html&request_locale=en Just looks like it is announcing that z/OS PL/I 5.1 (and above?) will go with the new "continuous delivery" that IBM is embracing instea

Re: z/OS PL/I 5.1 with "continuous delivery announced".

2017-04-11 Thread David Crayford
On 11/04/2017 9:13 PM, John McKown wrote: On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 8:10 AM, David Crayford wrote: On 11/04/2017 9:01 PM, John McKown wrote: http://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/ShowDoc.wss?docURL=/common/ ssi/rep_ca/6/897/ENUS217-186/index.html&request_locale=en Just looks like it is announ

Re: What are mainframes

2017-04-11 Thread David Crayford
me up with an answer before the question is even asked! On Tue, Apr 11, 2017 at 8:42 AM, David Crayford wrote: On 11/04/2017 8:34 PM, Parwez Hamid wrote: The Met Office a HPC and 2 x IBM LinuxOne Servers. The HPC does the lager part of the number crunching. http://www.itproportal.com/new

Re: z/OS PL/I 5.1 with "continuous delivery announced".

2017-04-11 Thread David Crayford
> On 11 Apr 2017, at 10:35 pm, Paul Gilmartin > <000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > 2.4.2 Windows XP > 2.4.3 Windows Vista > 2.4.4 Windows 7 > 2.4.5 Windows 8 and 8.1 > 2.4.6 Windows 10 > > ... similar for MacOS. Or have they stopped at Windows 10? Yes, Windows 10 is th

Re: Old hardware

2017-04-19 Thread David Crayford
On 19/04/2017 1:58 PM, Timothy Sipples wrote: We have a customer in my general part of the world that is, as I write this, moving from an IBM mainframe they installed in early 1999 (with ~1998 software releases) to a shiny new IBM z System machine. They have "only" about 19 years (and counting) o

Re: Old hardware

2017-04-19 Thread David Crayford
How do your management sleep at night with an unsupported software? On 19/04/2017 8:58 PM, John McKown wrote: That is interesting to know. But, unless the situation changes (IMO "for the better"), then we are stuck on our current configuration FOREVER. Upper management utterly hates, despises,

Re: Old hardware

2017-04-19 Thread David Crayford
m www.syncsort.com CONNECTING BIG IRON TO BIG DATA -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of David Crayford Sent: Wednesday, April 19, 2017 10:26 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Old hardware How do your management

LLVM ( wasRe: Swift on z/OS (was Data/hiperspaces (was: ... 4G bar?))

2017-04-21 Thread David Crayford
p, IBM started the journey of ... From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of David Crayford Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 8:29 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Data/hiperspaces (was: ... 4G bar?) On 31/03/2017 3:27 AM, John McKown wrote: So, any HLL has only ind

Re: LLVM

2017-04-21 Thread David Crayford
On 21/04/2017 9:41 PM, David W Noon wrote: On Fri, 21 Apr 2017 21:22:04 +0800, David Crayford (dcrayf...@gmail.com) wrote about "LLVM ( wasRe: Swift on z/OS (was Data/hiperspaces (was: ... 4G bar?))" (in ): [snip] IBM have ported LLVM/clang to z/OS. The beta of swift gives the ga

Re: LLVM ( wasRe: Swift on z/OS (was Data/hiperspaces (was: ... 4G bar?))

2017-04-21 Thread David Crayford
On 22/04/2017 1:20 AM, Frank Swarbrick wrote: Is it naive to hope that Swift some could "replace" COBOL on z/OS? I'm not clear on IBM's ideas of what Swift would be used for on z/OS. There have been many attempts to replace COBOL over the years. Anybody remember EGL? That was a flop. The ele

Re: Can XLC printf() take "%D(*,*)"?

2017-04-26 Thread David Crayford
On 27/04/2017 1:28 AM, David W Noon wrote: I am currently using an interpretive loop to format the decimal data. I am going to look into using __EDMK() instead. (And yes, the volume, potentially millions of iterations per day, justifies the effort.) Do you know the size and scaling factor of the

Re: JZOS Java CLASSPATH

2017-04-27 Thread David Crayford
On 28/04/2017 9:13 AM, Andrew Rowley wrote: On 28/04/2017 3:23 AM, Kirk Wolf wrote: And yet I fail to see why this is an issue since the JZOS sample JCL shows how to use the shell language to handle this - with more flexibility. For example, the "java" command launcher can't do this: for i in

Re: Snap

2017-04-28 Thread David Crayford
On 28/04/2017 8:29 PM, scott Ford wrote: John: Thank you kind sir. Much appreciated..I am verifying I dont have a storage creep issue when we call IRRSEQ00... You may want to use a GETMAIN/FREEMAIN GTF trace for diagnosing storage creeps. Scott On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 8:09 AM, John McKown

Re: JZOS Java CLASSPATH

2017-04-28 Thread David Crayford
On 28/04/2017 12:16 PM, Andrew Rowley wrote: On 28/04/2017 1:28 PM, David Crayford wrote: I agree that it would be ideal if the JZOS batch launcher was modernized to support wildcards but disagree about the shell. I find it's absolutely necessary just to do stuff like: . /etc/pr

Re: Snap

2017-04-28 Thread David Crayford
On 28/04/2017 9:11 PM, John McKown wrote: On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 7:53 AM, David Crayford wrote: On 28/04/2017 8:29 PM, scott Ford wrote: John: Thank you kind sir. Much appreciated..I am verifying I dont have a storage creep issue when we call IRRSEQ00... You may want to use a GETMAIN

Re: Migration of Mainframe to other plat form

2017-05-04 Thread David Crayford
I could be wrong but I don't think many sites replace their mainframes with "server farms". Normally they would replace them with big boxes, rack servers or blades depending on the size of the system. HP Superdomes used to be popular a decade ago but it seems Xeon class x86 servers can now do t

Re: The Mainframe vs. the Server Farm: A Comparison

2017-05-20 Thread David Crayford
On 21/05/2017 7:55 AM, Clark Morris wrote: Large cloud operations claim they assemble their own blades for 1/3rd the price of brand named blades ... around $1/BIPS ... possibly contributing to IBM selling off its server business. Given these figures, why haven't emulation and various mainframe

Re: IBM SDK for Node.js - z/OS Open Beta Now Available

2017-05-28 Thread David Crayford
Interestingly "This beta is based on Version 6 of the SDK" which is significant as it features ECMAScript 6. I had a quick at the previous Beta and gave up because it was too back level. On 29/05/2017 9:08 AM, Timothy Sipples wrote: The IBM SDK for Node.js is now available in a "Beta 1" relea

Re: Question about C++

2017-05-30 Thread David Crayford
On 30/05/2017 5:18 AM, Charles Mills wrote: Nearly any "Hello, world" program from the Web will run without modification on z/OS, either as a UNIX command or as a conventional load module. ftp://www.cs.uregina.ca/pub/class/cplusplus/CExample.html z Linux is Linux, Linux, Linux. Nearly any Linu

Re: Question about C++

2017-05-30 Thread David Crayford
This might bewilder you some more because C++ is a tricky language for a beginner. It''s a simple thin wrapper class around C stdio that provides RAII and some return value checks that throw exception when errors occur. If you can work this out you're well on your way to being competent. It's m

Re: A slight regression

2017-05-30 Thread David Crayford
> On 31 May 2017, at 2:19 am, John McKown wrote: > >> On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 1:07 PM, scott Ford wrote: >> >> All: >> >> I saw a thread between Peter Fairley and John in April, this year speaking >> about a cobol program calling C ..I am in the same board but did not see >> the C code. Can s

Re: Question about C++

2017-05-30 Thread David Crayford
call different functions depending on some type which would benefit from an OO design. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of David Crayford Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 5:23 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subj

Re: Question about C++

2017-05-31 Thread David Crayford
ons in class header (and very little use of function macro) Kirk Wolf Dovetailed Technologies http://dovetail.com On Tue, May 30, 2017 at 7:22 AM, David Crayford wrote: This might bewilder you some more because C++ is a tricky language for a beginner. It''s a simple thin wrapper c

Re: Question about C++

2017-05-31 Thread David Crayford
dified to call the cleanup routine. You just delete the class and if it has a destructor, it gets called. Voila! Charles -Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of David Crayford Sent: Tuesday, May 30, 2017 7:46 PM To: IBM-MAI

Re: Question about C++

2017-05-31 Thread David Crayford
uot;); On 31/05/2017 9:36 PM, John McKown wrote: On Wed, May 31, 2017 at 8:26 AM, David Crayford wrote: I think I should have used the term object based for non-OO languages. Scope based finalization is a sweet spot of C++ with scoped based destructors. I'm coding a lot of Java at the moment

Re: Question about C++

2017-05-31 Thread David Crayford
leanup routine for this record. Now I have to go back and make sure that every piece of code that uses it gets modified to call the cleanup routine. You just delete the class and if it has a destructor, it gets called. Voila! Charles -Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion Li

Re: Question about C++

2017-05-31 Thread David Crayford
And I should have called it the implicit conversion operator. It's a good example of how to use C++ as a better C to make use of destructors. On 31/05/2017 9:41 PM, David Crayford wrote: Re-posted due to formatting issues: I think I should have used the term object based for non-OO lang

Re: A slight regression

2017-05-31 Thread David Crayford
On 31/05/2017 11:03 PM, Tony Harminc wrote: On 30 May 2017 at 20:48, David Crayford wrote: If you download IBMs beta nodejs port you will get a free C compiler and runtime 🙂 I noticed that. I'm probably missing a big chunk here, but why does a Node.js implementation require its own (o

Re: Question about C++

2017-05-31 Thread David Crayford
Java is a much simpler language then C++. For starters there is no undefined behavior, everything is in the spec. The new lambda expressions are a welcome addition but as a language it lacks features that languages like C# have in abundance. The one saving grace is annotations which a lot of Ja

Re: "New" Java-less Operating System Messages blips like crazy

2017-06-06 Thread David Crayford
On 7/06/2017 1:43 AM, Ed Jaffe wrote: On 6/6/2017 10:04 AM, Mark Zelden wrote: On Tue, 6 Jun 2017 12:44:28 -0400, Tony Harminc wrote: Is it not bizarre that in 2017 we are still dealing with systems that "don't work right" with one browser or another? I mean, seriously... I agree 100%.Bu

Re: AW: Re: LE QuestionT

2017-06-07 Thread David Crayford
IIRC subpool 1 is for LE internals and subpool 2 for user heap and stack. Makes sense so presumably a user-space storage overwrite wont corrupt LE so it can shutdown cleanly. On 7/06/2017 2:46 PM, bernd.oppol...@t-online.de wrote: First allocation in subpool 1, secondary allocations in subpoo

Re: John's spare time ... Job Scheduler Programmer Architect?

2017-06-07 Thread David Crayford
On 7/06/2017 2:08 AM, Rob Schramm wrote: That is one surprising thing about Rexx and sort.. that Rexx doesn't have built in support to call sort without a rigamarole. It's difficult to implement a generic sort in REXX because functions are not first class objects. For example, using the UNIX

Re: "New" Java-less Operating System Messages blips like crazy

2017-06-13 Thread David Crayford
On 11/06/2017 7:15 AM, Ed Jaffe wrote: On 6/6/2017 8:54 PM, David Crayford wrote: On 7/06/2017 1:43 AM, Ed Jaffe wrote: We test (E)JES Web with current releases of Chrome, Firefox, Opera, Safari, and IE. We also test with IE8 because it's a different animal and requires special code to

Re: "New" Java-less Operating System Messages blips like crazy

2017-06-14 Thread David Crayford
On 14/06/2017 5:54 PM, R.S. wrote: W dniu 2017-06-14 o 10:21, Styles, Andy (ITS zPlatform Services) pisze: Classification: Public I would hazard a guess that the answer to that is the same answer as to why Windows XP (and probably NT!) is still in use! Not to mention anyone running out-of-sup

Re: "New" Java-less Operating System Messages blips like crazy

2017-06-14 Thread David Crayford
).. Andy Styles z/Series Systems Programmer -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of David Crayford Sent: 14 June 2017 04:47 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: "New" Java-less Operating System Messages blips like craz

Re: "New" Java-less Operating System Messages blips like crazy

2017-06-14 Thread David Crayford
> On 15 Jun 2017, at 8:22 am, Mike Schwab wrote: > > https://www.arcanoae.com/arcaos-5-0-now-available/ > OS2 Warp for 2017, still 32 bit, updated drivers for newer hardware. > Includes Win 3.1 compatibility. > What browser runs on OS/2? >> On Wed, Jun 14, 2017 at

Re: Simple (?) C question

2017-06-19 Thread David Crayford
If the string can be mutated either by the client or the runtime returning by reference is not re-entrant. I would always prefer to use strings buffers: int get_string(char * buf, size_t buflen); Strings are s much easier in C++. On 20/06/2017 9:59 AM, John McKown wrote: On Mon, Jun 19,

Re: Simple (?) C question

2017-06-20 Thread David Crayford
That's not what I meant. It's not thread safe without locking. And even if you're not multi-threaded it may be better practice to copy the static C string into a buffer. Take strerror() for example. Once you've got the error you either print it immediately or copy the message into a buffer. str

Re: AW: CA7 with service now

2017-06-29 Thread David Crayford
We use Jira but we're a vendor lab not a production site. Do you run cURL directly from NetView or submit a batch job? On 29/06/2017 7:11 PM, Werner Kuehnel wrote: Nathan, I don't know ServiceNow, but we create automatically tickets for abending jobs or jobs with RC > 4 in JIRA ticketing syst

Re: Curious about IBM time conversion example program

2017-07-20 Thread David Crayford
On 21/07/2017 1:11 AM, Kirk Wolf wrote: As usual, the knowledge and helpfulness of those on this list is astonishing. I'm actually writing this in Java (to 64-bit java "long" epoch seconds, from both STCK and STCKE inputs), but the sample IBM assembler code initially puzzled me. I had to do ju

Re: Curious about IBM time conversion example program

2017-07-20 Thread David Crayford
On 21/07/2017 6:43 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Thu, 20 Jul 2017 14:33:58 -0700, Charles Mills wrote: Yes, negative UNIX times are legal and generally work. I had understood that negative time_t values are illegal but generally work. The closest I can find in POSIX is: http://pubs.opengroup

Re: Words fail me!

2021-11-15 Thread David Crayford
> On 16 Nov 2021, at 5:55 am, zMan wrote: > >  >> >> Neither "Unformatted System Services" nor "Unix System Services" has or > should have the word "screen". > I dunno, after the many, Many, MANY times we've gone round on this I *want *to > screen > + 100 >> On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at

Re: IBM Semeru Runtime Certified Edition for z/OS, Version 11 is now available!

2021-11-20 Thread David Crayford
I was in a meeting with IBM last week with JVM devs and this was mentioned. It’s not ready until Q2 next year. > On 20 Nov 2021, at 09:31, Andrew Rowley wrote: > > On 20/11/2021 2:40 am, Yuan Jie Song wrote: >> IBM Semeru Runtime Certified Edition for z/OS, Version 11, is the latest >> relea

Re: IBM Semeru Runtime Certified Edition for z/OS, Version 11 is now available!

2021-11-20 Thread David Crayford
RACF key stores are also a WIP > On 21 Nov 2021, at 06:44, David Crayford wrote: > > I was in a meeting with IBM last week with JVM devs and this was mentioned. > It’s not ready until Q2 next year. > >>> On 20 Nov 2021, at 09:31, Andrew Rowley >>> wrote

Re: z/OS 2.5 install with z/OSMF

2021-11-28 Thread David Crayford
On 29/11/21 4:26 am, Tom Longfellow wrote: I dread z/OSMF as an installer. It's my understanding that z/OSMF just uses workflows to submit SMP/E jobs. The grey beards hate using it but the young guys are ambivalent. I am old enough to remember CA-AGGRAVATOR (i know, wrong name ) and ha

Re: z/OS 2.5 install with z/OSMF

2021-11-29 Thread David Crayford
On 29/11/21 5:27 pm, Sebastian Welton wrote: On Mon, 29 Nov 2021 12:03:01 +0800, David Crayford wrote: Didn't CA create the Chorus Software Manager that was generally very well received by the community. I haven't used it but I heard that installing mainframe software using SMP/E w

Re: z/OS 2.5 install with z/OSMF

2021-11-30 Thread David Crayford
On 1/12/21 1:55 am, Seymour J Metz wrote: I just wish that they would acknowledge their abandoned child OREXX. IBM certainly haven't abandoned ooRexx. It's my understanding that Rick McGuire works on it almost full time. The mailing lists still get quite a bit of traffic and the Github repo s

Re: z/OS 2.5 install with z/OSMF

2021-12-01 Thread David Crayford
On 1/12/21 10:03 am, Tom Longfellow wrote: Just to clarify on my earlier comments. The wealth of choices for installations is not necessarily 'bad' just potentially loaded with dead ends. I think we have all seen big 'initiatives' from IBM that were later 'withdrawn from marketing' becau

Re: Mainframe Language Support for VS Code (Was RE: z/OS 2.5 install with z/OSMF)

2021-12-01 Thread David Crayford
t. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of David Crayford Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2021 6:56 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: z/OS 2.5 install with z/OSMF On 1/12/21 1:55 am, Seymour J Metz wrote: I just wish

Re: z/OS 2.5 install with z/OSMF

2021-12-01 Thread David Crayford
On 1/12/21 11:58 pm, René Jansen wrote: David, Thank you for mentioning these plugins, I am certainly going to have a look at them. There are some things in your mail I feel I have to correct. On 30 Nov 2021, at 22:55, David Crayford wrote: On 1/12/21 1:55 am, Seymour J Metz wrote: I just

Re: RES: AWS is down.

2021-12-09 Thread David Crayford
On 8/12/21 9:34 pm, Bodra - Pessoal wrote: Just a very simple question: They know word CONTINGENCY and data MIRROR? Of course they do. Cloud computing providers allow you to set availability zones on different data centeres and they replicate. Like most It outages I suspect human error just

Re: New Java vulnerability

2021-12-11 Thread David Crayford
It’s a stinker and it’s going to affect 10s of millions applications. > On 12 Dec 2021, at 00:24, Jousma, David > <01a0403c5dc1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > Looks like a bad one... > > > https://www.lunasec.io/docs/blog/log4j-zero-day/ > > > > Dave Jousma > > Vice Presid

Re: AWS Outage Analysis: December 7, 2021

2021-12-11 Thread David Crayford
On 12/12/21 7:32 am, Bill Johnson wrote: Nearly every bank in the world runs a mainframe. That’s a fact. I'm calling BS. None of the challenger banks (Startling, Yolt, Monzo, Moneze, N26 etc) run mainframes. They have millions of customers and are gaining millions by the week at the expense o

Re: AWS Outage Analysis: December 7, 2021

2021-12-11 Thread David Crayford
On 12/12/21 6:31 am, Bill Johnson wrote: IBM still puts out new boxes, new operating systems, new releases of key software, and is still ahead of other platforms. I suspect the new 2nm chip will keep them there. Have you been drinking? IBM don't fab their own chips and haven't for years. Who

Re: AWS Outage Analysis: December 7, 2021

2021-12-11 Thread David Crayford
S the challenger banks have nearly 40m customers and that is increasing every year https://www.statista.com/statistics/1239190/challenger-banks-users-in-the-united-states/ Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Saturday, December 11, 2021, 7:31 PM, David Crayford wrote: On 12/12/21 7:32 am, Bill Jo

Re: New Java vulnerability

2021-12-11 Thread David Crayford
On 12/12/21 6:37 am, Attila Fogarasi wrote: not so difficult on z/OS (and there is log4j usage on z/OS but unclear that RCE can do much harm on a properly secured z/OS system -- this will vary by what application is using the log4j library). Fingers crossed! The truth is almost no mainframe net

Re: AWS Outage Analysis: December 7, 2021

2021-12-12 Thread David Crayford
On 12/12/21 4:10 am, Tom Brennan wrote: People say OS/2 was far better in design, operation, and security than Windows, but it's gone now. I worked a company in the 90s who used OS/2 Warp IMO it was terrible. Under the covers it had preemptive multi-tasking, memory protection etc so was a fa

Re: New Java vulnerability

2021-12-13 Thread David Crayford
On 13/12/21 6:57 am, Andrew Rowley wrote: On 12/12/2021 1:20 pm, David Crayford wrote: Fingers crossed! The truth is almost no mainframe network (worth its salt) is visible to outside world. But that doesn't stop the public servers being compromised. A quick fix if you are unable to u

Re: New Java vulnerability

2021-12-13 Thread David Crayford
On 14/12/21 12:12 pm, Andrew Rowley wrote: On 14/12/2021 12:30 am, Filip Palian wrote: My intention was to share information about the vulnerabilities affecting Java language. (Without performing a proper comparison) I'd prefer not to get into discussion about one language being less secure th

Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

2021-12-18 Thread David Crayford
On 18/12/21 10:23 pm, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Sat, 18 Dec 2021 08:32:11 -0500, Mark Regan wrote: Some of you may have already seen this since it was also shared on LinkedIn, which is where I saw it. https://medium.com/theropod/top-8-reasons-for-using-python-instead-of-rexx-for-z-os-a6b67f8210

Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

2021-12-18 Thread David Crayford
I agree with almost everything he says. Python is light years better than REXX. Of course, that's subjective but it IMO it's in a different league. I've been working with YAML configs recently and Python has a very nice YAML library. No such luck with REXX, especially classic REXX on z/OS. In

Re: AWK ? - Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

2021-12-19 Thread David Crayford
If you have a C compiler you can build gawk from source. David Pitts ported it years ago. On 20/12/21 3:13 am, Farley, Peter x23353 wrote: I have been using awk from JCL using DD's as script source, input and output files for years now. There is no issue using awk in normal JCL. I even use a

Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

2021-12-20 Thread David Crayford
y because IBM bought into the Open Source thing a little late - and of course Microsoft sabotaging Rexx where it could, just because it was a better BASIC. Best regards, René. On 19 Dec 2021, at 00:54, David Crayford wrote: I agree with almost everything he says. Python is light years b

Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

2021-12-20 Thread David Crayford
g it to z/OS. On 20 Dec 2021, at 04:37, David Crayford wrote: There's a Python client library for Kafka but it would be a very heavy lift to implement a client on z/OS using REXX. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / ar

Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

2021-12-20 Thread David Crayford
Wow, meldmerge is awesome. It has Github integrations and syntax highlighting. There is a difference between IBMs Python port and Rockets. Rocket have patched Python to use fopen() so it supports the MVS file system. There are also other MVS libraries such as a load module call API, IDCAMS, B

Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

2021-12-20 Thread David Crayford
On 21/12/21 3:50 am, Seymour J Metz wrote: Personally, I would like for IBM to fully support all of the popular languages in TSO, including languages that I don't particularly like. Is there a reason that you prefer Python to, e.g., Ruby? I can't speak for Kirk but to me a no-brainer. Ruby pe

Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

2021-12-20 Thread David Crayford
On 21/12/21 10:58 am, Paul Gilmartin wrote: *New file system support to access z/OS data sets* IBM plans to provide a new file system type that will render traditional z/OS data sets accessible by the z/OS UNIX name space. This will enable z/OS UNIX applications, tools, and utilities transparent

Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

2021-12-20 Thread David Crayford
On 21/12/21 11:36 am, David Crayford wrote: Not only do they support granular ENQs and even better in our case ENQs they are rip-roaring  fast. I meant to say "in our case no ENQs"... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe

z/OS port of gawk

2021-12-21 Thread David Crayford
I've plonked the gawk for z/OS binaries on Github https://github.com/daveyc/gawk_zos. You will need Rocket Git to clone the repo but otherwise you can download the files using old school. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / a

Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

2021-12-21 Thread David Crayford
On 21/12/21 2:41 am, Seymour J Metz wrote: Six languages doesn't strike me as a lot; I know more assemblers than that. My position is that the CS curriculum should stress learning multiple, radically different, langages rather than the language du jour. I know a lot more languages than 6. Tha

Re: article about ransomeware and mainframe

2021-12-23 Thread David Crayford
Here we go again. Bulls**t Bill is spouting his usual ignorant nonsense. One of my colleagues was working in the z/OS Unix team at the time of the Logica breach and was part of the team who performed a detailed, forensic investigation. The fact is that a hacker exploited a serious zero day vuln

Re: Link between datasets

2021-12-28 Thread David Crayford
+1 All the best ideas are simple On 29/12/21 7:53 am, Tom Harper wrote: Make them members of a PDSE. Sent from my iPhone This e-mail message, including any attachments, appended messages and the information conta

Re: ... Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

2022-01-04 Thread David Crayford
On 5/1/22 8:04 am, Seymour J Metz wrote: If IBM replaces REXX across the board, that would have to include continuing to support TSO. Also, those developing in REXX for TSO and ISPF environments would get a productivity boost if oorexx were supported there. It's a moot point because it's neve

Re: ... Re: Top 8 Reasons for using Python instead of REXX for z/OS

2022-01-04 Thread David Crayford
ge. On 5/1/22 10:06 am, Seymour J Metz wrote: That's David Crayford, not me. I have no basis to either confirm or contradict. It's unfortunate if true. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion

Re: ISPF, How to insert text to the first input field in the panel ?

2022-01-05 Thread David Crayford
On 5/1/22 4:18 pm, Itschak Mugzach wrote: Z = “my text “ Address ispexec vput x shared Did you mean "VPUT Z SHARED"? There is no need to use VPUT, ISPF will use the implicit variable pool which is bound automatically to REXX. בתאריך יום ד׳, 5 בינו׳ 2022 ב-10:16 מאת Weizman arbel : Hello

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