Re: USS: su: User ID "SH" does not exist
On 5/15/20 8:51 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote: I understand why they parse pgm and sh differently. What I don't understand is why instream data should be treated differently from other datasets. Because it's easier to present to the Unix System Services environment that way? Unix is stream oriented, not record oriented, and shell syntax is molded to that. There are shell features like "here documents" (google it) which you've probably never used that would get broken if input to the USS shell got arbitrarily broken into lines to suit the flavor of MVS/TSO/JES -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020
On 5/12/20 9:28 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote: I also want them in Linux for Z, but that may already be here. You do know that you can get a free LPAR for 90 days and explore what's there and what's not yourself, right? https://developer.ibm.com/components/ibm-linuxone/gettingstarted/ -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020
On 5/12/20 9:28 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote: I also want them in Linux for Z, but that may already be here. z/Linux has pretty much everything. Did some heavy lifting there. What wasn't there I could build, with some work. Essence of Open Source: You are part of the solution. -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020
On 5/9/20 10:13 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote: PHP is still the easiest way to toss up an interactive website. Toss one up - perhaps. If that's not your beat, My beat is to write readable code that the guy who comes after me can maintain, not to write throw-away code. I'm all in favor of nicely structured code others can maintain. PHP can be like that, if written correctly. If you want unmaintainable spaghetti, though, there's nothing quite like JavaScript :) -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020
On 5/9/20 9:59 PM, David Crayford wrote: I do a lot of backend web development work. The company I work for offer a Z/OS port of PHP as part of ported tools. Nobody uses it internally. We do have a lot of products coming online that use Node.js. The young guys seem to be able to get stuff up and and running in matter of hours next not days. We use components https://www.carbondesignsystem.com/ I appreciate that. If you're a js programmer, you're a js programmer. I was talking about data center programmers who have to do anything and everything at the drop of a hat. PHP is for them. -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020
On 5/9/20 9:33 PM, Tom Brennan wrote: Nice web site and pottery! Thanks from me and from Sumi von Dassow! PHP has long been my favorite even for larger web applications, and also for scripting under Windows. I was just about to try to learn something new though - web page scraping in whatever language they use for Chrome plug-ins. Now I guess I'll have to look at this "Go" thing too. When will it all settle down to just one programming language?? Ha - I know, never. Yup. I find the Mozilla Developer Network articles and videos very helpful for keeping up with the ever-evolving technology of web design. https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Guide -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020
On 5/9/20 9:25 PM, David Crayford wrote: That’s debatable! Most people would consider Node.js, Python Django or Ruby on Rails paired with a JavaScript framework like React to be far superior to PHP. Far superior, perhaps. Easier to get it done fast, like in a day or two, changing it a few minutes a day twice a week for the next two years the way projects are bumbled through in a modern understaffed data center? Nah, PHP for choice. -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020
On 5/9/20 9:01 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote: Flaws, yes. Obscure, not nearly as much as it deserves. Fun? Well, it's not my dog. PHP is still the easiest way to toss up an interactive website. Which is why it hangs around, supported by individuals charged with the task of bring up fairly complex sites on a short budget. If that's not your beat, then PHP is not your language. -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020
On 5/9/20 7:53 PM, David Crayford wrote: No it’s not it’s a terrible language Oh, don't be such a siwwy wabbit. It's a lot of fun. Despite its flaws and obscurity, it's a lot of fun to code in and widely used in the IBM i world, which I mostly inhabit these days. -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020
On 5/9/20 7:12 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote: Python certainly has a lot of eyeballs, although I'm still seeing calls for PHP, PHP is a fun language for coding small, interactive websites like the one I coded "by hand" for my wife's pottery https://herwheel.com Python is a masterfully designed, mature language, easy to learn, with huge community module support including scientific programming. -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020
On 5/9/20 1:59 PM, scott Ford wrote: Personally, I think *sometimes people write in what they know. It's good to get outside your zone sometimes. If you decide to do so, both Python and Go are good choices! -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020
On 5/9/20 12:00 PM, scott Ford wrote: Charles, I heard Go was supposed to be a good language to learn. Interestingly, I read an article saying Python will take over from Java. Personally, I learned Python liked it over java. I have to look at Go. Python is a wonderful language both for routine scripting (it's conquering IBM i at the moment) and for scientific computing (see IBM Qiskit for IBM Quantum Computing). Go is a compiled systems language which is as powerful and efficient as C/C++ while much more easy than C or Java to write and build your applications. Go is the only serious competition in the wide world for Node.js for authoring microservices. The New York Times web is built entirely on Go-coded microservices. Attended when the project leaders spoke at Denver Gophers on the subject. -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Developers say Google's Go is 'most sought after' programming language of 2020
On 5/9/20 1:58 AM, Wayne Bickerdike wrote: Nearly as good as YAL (Yet Another Language). Well I downloaded, ran some code. Yawn. What's an old guy to do? Don't underestimate Golang. It's an amazing language. It's like the genetically groomed offspring of C++ and Java with the best traits of both and the warts removed. Rob Pike, and Ken Thompson were on the design team. One of those "If we had known then what we know now" moments for the fathers of C. -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: AW: Using Windows ssh with z/OS
On 5/4/20 4:39 PM, Wendell Lovewell wrote: I have "bash" as the last line in /etc/profile. This seems to work, but I do have to enter "exit" twice to close the window. Is there a way to invoke bash so that this is not necessary? I'm also not sure if this matters, but "echo $SHELL" still shows "/bin/sh", not "/bin/bash". The shell that loads when you log in is chosen by your profile. Not sure how this is done in USS but someone administratively could simply change your login shell to /bin/bash. In the meantime, just create a profile in your home directory .profile that does exec /bin/bash -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Using Windows ssh with z/OS
On 5/3/20 11:25 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: Yah, but I wished it had presumed something minimal such as TTY33 until I could EXPORT TERM and/or set TERMINFO. Put it in your .profile or .bash_profile or whatever. -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Using Windows ssh with z/OS
On 5/2/20 11:16 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: Doesn't ssh supposed to set that up? But z/OS may not be savvy to the OP's TERM. Is it in terminfo? I dunno, but it sure works better than xterm-color256 on IBM i so just guessing. But z/OS used to deny login when TERM was not in terminfo. Did it ever get better? If it denies login to that term setting, you try something else :) Honestly, if folks want to understand this stuff, have the reference platform handy so they can see how it's supposed to work if it worked correctly, i.e., set up a cheap Linux box and learn your way around. -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Using Windows ssh with z/OS
On 5/2/20 9:53 AM, Wendell Lovewell wrote: When connecting to z/OS (USS) using ssh, I'd like the USS shell to handle keys the same way Ubuntu does. I have these settings: echo $TERM displays xterm-color256 echo $SHELL displays /bin/sh As Gil pointed out, run bash. It's often there somewhere. If not bash, use tcsh Also: export TERM=xterm -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Cobol
On 4/25/20 2:56 PM, Rob Schramm wrote: I wonder when someone is going to write a javac that actually produces C code for the platform. Kind of like PL/asx ( I may have this acro wrong ) Modern Java VMs are about as efficient as can be, given the object model. That's why the notion of Java -> C compilers went away. -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: TSO Pipes (and BatchPipes)
On 4/22/20 9:56 AM, Lionel B Dyck wrote: it is actually old enough to drink: It's not that long until MVS itself is old enough to collect social security ... -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Any shop use UNIX in a production job?
On 4/17/20 5:41 PM, Tony Harminc wrote: "New Scientist magazine noun stack contest submission date cutoff" And then there are prepositions, always the oddest part of any language. You heard what happened when the father brought the wrong bedtime story into his son's room, right? His son asked him, "What did you bring that book I didn't want to be read to out of up for?" -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Any shop use UNIX in a production job?
On 4/13/20 6:06 AM, John McKown wrote: Just curious. I use awk at times for doing stuff in my personal activities. But my manager dislikes UNIX so I can't use it in any of my "production" jobs because "nobody knows UNIX" and "everybody knows REXX". I had that problem. I pointed out there were probably at least 200 bash programmers in America for every Rexx programmer. Lost that argument. -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: JCL & UNIX coding.
On 4/9/20 6:02 AM, John McKown wrote: JCL should ignore case when not in ticks. Dragging z/OS kicking and screaming into the late 1970's. -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: FW: COBOL NJ
On 4/8/20 7:58 PM, Bob Bridges wrote: (Regarding that tagline:) YES!! "Science" is only superficially an activity, and even more superficially a job; much more important it's a philosophy, a way of approaching the discovery of knowledge. By that definition some scientists aren't, and some non-scientists are. And it's salutary to remember that it was uttered by the man dubbed "BHA" by the engineers at Apple Computer :) -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: FW: COBOL NJ
On 4/8/20 3:58 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: From another list: https://forms.business.nj.gov/tech/ Thanks, Paul -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Free 3270 emulator for Mac OS
On 4/7/20 2:22 AM, R.S. wrote: You forgot about third person in a car: Ohm. Officer say "you're arrested", but Ohm resists. Thank you Radoslaw ... Even though I had forgotten, I should have known he was there by inductive reasoning! -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Free 3270 emulator for Mac OS
On 4/6/20 7:29 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote: It's certain that Puss is dead in one of two orthogonal projections; the instructor is in a superposition of murder and attempted murder. Is it? Heisenberg and Schrödinger get pulled over for speeding. The cop asks Heisenberg "Do you know how fast you were going?" Heisenberg replies, "No, but we know exactly where we are!" The officer looks at him confused and says "you were going 108 miles per hour!" Heisenberg throws his arms up and cries, "Great! Now we're lost!" The officer looks over the car and asks Schrödinger if the two men have anything in the trunk. "A cat," Schrödinger replies. The cop opens the trunk and yells "Hey! This cat is dead." Schrödinger angrily replies, "Well he is now." -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Free 3270 emulator for Mac OS
On 4/6/20 12:34 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote: I am not going to murder a poor defenseless kitten just for a CS class! It's not *certain* the kitty becomes an ex-cat ... :) -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Free 3270 emulator for Mac OS
On 4/6/20 11:47 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
I would start bottom up from the gates, which can be built with radically different
technologies, e.g., Vacuum tubes ("valves") versus hydraulic logic.
You Are All Obsolete <https://quantum-computing.ibm.com/> :)
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Re: FW: COBOL NJ
Thanks, volunteers on hand and waiting and I seem to be back on the list :) On 4/5/20 5:13 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote: From: Jack J. Woehr [j...@well.com] Sent: Sunday, April 5, 2020 6:40 PM To: Seymour J Metz Subject: COBOL NJ Suddenly my mail to IBM-MAIN is bouncing. Can someone please ask to the list to whom to apply for COBOL volunteers for New Jersey? Friends are asking me. -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Free 3270 emulator for Mac OS
On 4/4/20 1:22 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: And it works. Gasp! Congrats! With our continued effort, your and my $2500 Macs will come to approximate the usefulness of a $550 Linux box. -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Free 3270 emulator for Mac OS
On 4/4/20 12:04 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: Works. Doesn't have nearly the Fonts I'm accustomed to on UNIX. */opt/local/bin/xset fp+ /opt/local/lib/x3270/fonts/* Assuming that's where you installed x3270 -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Free 3270 emulator for Mac OS
I just installed from Mac Ports and it runs. On 4/4/20 11:23 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: On Sat, 4 Apr 2020 12:08:06 -0500, Joe Monk wrote: Just use homebrew ... you'll save yourself a lot of headache. ... brew install x3270 Nope. See the flame war on: https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew-core/issues/46519 -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Free 3270 emulator for Mac OS
On 4/4/20 9:51 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: I tried building x3270 on Mojave from source. Also, x3270 is in the Mac Ports tree. https://www.macports.org/ Install Mac Ports and then: sudo port install x3270 -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Free 3270 emulator for Mac OS
On 4/4/20 9:51 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: I tried building x3270 on Mojave from source. from http://x3270.bgp.nu/Build.html Notes for MacOS X Everything except x3270 is built the usual (Unix) way on MacOS X. But to build x3270, you first need to install XQuartz (http://xquartz.macosforge.org/). Then to build all of the emulators, use the following commands: export PATH=$PATH:/opt/X11/bin ./configure --enable-unix --x-includes=/opt/X11/include make By default, the MacOS build uses Secure Transport for SSL/TLS. To switch to OpenSSL, pass the --disable-stransport option to the configure script. -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Free 3270 emulator for Mac OS
On 4/4/20 9:51 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: I tried building x3270 on Mojave from source. Failed with: 538 $ make did you ./configure first? http://x3270.bgp.nu/Build.html -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: strange python announcement
On 3/30/20 9:49 PM, Wayne Bickerdike wrote: I had a version of Forth on my 48K Sinclair Spectrum. Get one word wrong and back to the start! I had a Forth for z/VM in assembler source that I ran for a while ... Wrote several myself at various times, for 80x86, 68xxx, 80196, etc. -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: strange python announcement
On 3/30/20 8:08 PM, David Crayford wrote: I can think of a few dynamically typed languages that are designed better than Python. But none that are as well equipped. Yuppers. That's the point. No language is perfect. I gave up on the Quest for the Perfect Language when Forth went out of favor. But as a scripting language to be coronated as "strategic" by IBM on legacy platforms, z and i, it's the best choice. Sez me, take that :) -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: strange python announcement
On 3/30/20 3:15 PM, Farley, Peter x23353 wrote: Hi Peter Jack, One problem with your advice is that many shops don't even allow application programmers to even use shell access to z/OS. One of the reasons z/OS installations are going away. The dinosaur keeps moving forward or she sinks into the tar pit. And where exactly does one learn "to set your terminal"? What values work with /bin/sh? /bin/sh is only good for some old scripts. You need bash or ksh for the real world of *nix operations. If you come in with a reasonable xterm TERM=xterm export TERM I haven't found any TERM value when using Putty to z/OS that gives anything like access to a full-screen editor like vi or vim, even if they were already there somewhere. xterm should work for Putty, but you just put your finger on another problem with many z/OS shops which is they either don't allow Linux or they don't allow users to install a decent xterm program on Windows. Cygwin has a very nice xterm. For the rest, I already have a lot of regexen experience with (g)awk, and I really don’t like the perl version, and as I said earlier, can't install python or anything else under my limited-space home directory. Python doesn't belong in your home directory. It should be system level. z/Linux is off the table too, CEC's are severely overloaded as it is, but that's a whole 'nother can of worms. You can always play with LinuxOne for free and renew every 3 months. https://linuxone.cloud.marist.edu/cloud/#/login I use several different Linuxen at home, but again probably because I am a particular kind of technophile. I could learn python in any of those environments or even under Windows, but I have no particular use for it. It's a wonderful scripting language as well as a good scientific language. There's nothing else quite its caliber in interpretive languages. Advice is only as useful as your particular circumstances allow. Many of us exist in quite constrained boxes at work with very limited ability to even make a request to expand the scope of those boxes. Been there, done that. But IBM is trying to help expand the walls of that particular golden cage by marking Python "strategic". Let's see if that makes a diff. -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: strange python announcement
On 3/30/20 12:59 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote: The OMVS 3270 shell always struck me as having been written by somebody who didn't understand either the 3270 or VTAM. As to vi, can I easily script it with REXX, or at least Perl? If you're going to use modern open source on USS: * Learn to use SSH with keys for login vs. password. * Learn to set your terminal. * Learn the basics of bash and shells in general. * Install and use vim, the modern replacement for vi (yes it takes its own kind of scripting) * Learn regex programs like o grep o sed * and. learn. Python. * Get yourself a Linux box (z/Linux is just fine) as a reference platform. PS I'm not catcalling from a distance, I was doing all this on z/OS in 2016. Time to catch up with IBM i. Yes, it's a lurch, but it's a lurch forward for your practice and community. It's organic, it's healthy, and it's not going away. -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: strange python announcement
On 3/30/20 7:30 AM, Pew, Curtis G wrote: If you’re trying to decide which to learn, look at the community around each language and decide which one fits you better. Sound advice. -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: strange python announcement
Ruby useful in its niches. So is 360 Assembler to this day, and RPG, and REXX ... They're just not growing mindshare. Python is still growing mindshare, and it's more generally useful than Ruby, which since 2006 has been focused on web services. Legacy systems programmers learning Python in IBM *nix environments (IBM i Pase & z/OS USS) is, in the immortal words of Joe Biden, a BFD :) On 3/30/20 6:15 AM, David Crayford wrote: On 2020-03-30 12:24 PM, Jack J. Woehr wrote: On 3/29/20 9:47 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote: Well, at the moment Ruby looks better than Python, Ruby is close to dead these days, whereas Python is growing by leaps and bounds. That's a big call! Ruby on Rails is used by Github (and many others)! -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: strange python announcement
On 3/29/20 9:47 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote: Well, at the moment Ruby looks better than Python, Ruby is close to dead these days, whereas Python is growing by leaps and bounds. -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: strange python announcement
On 3/29/20 8:43 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote: If The Good Lord meant for me to use twitter, he would never have invented e-mail. Hee - hee ... I have dodged Twitter but surrendered when urged by biz partners. They explained, "The real challenge of Twitter is seeing how long it takes you to flip out and delete it from your phone." -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: strange python announcement
On 3/29/20 8:36 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote: Note; I don't like Perl syntax, but I use it anyway - because it offers me enough that I'm willing to put up with it. Perl cool, been using it for about 30 years, but Python is a different beast. More coherent and sound language model. Better and sounder module support. Math, math, math but not about math. Supported by a huge, lively, and leading-edge user/developer community. You're going to love Python on z/OS. It's revolutionizing IBM i. -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: strange python announcement
On 3/26/20 7:29 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: Today I noticedhttps://developer.ibm.com/mainframe/2020/03/24/python-for-z-enablement/ where IBM announces 'IBM intends to enable Python on z/OS together with the open source community' https://twitter.com/JackWoehr/status/1244432511406501889 The amusing part is I get no hits on hashtag #zOS ... where /are/ you all? :) -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: strange python announcement
On 3/27/20 4:28 PM, Wayne Bickerdike wrote: What's a nerd to do? LUA, Rexx or Python? Python. It's moving forward, great module support, easy syntax. There's no advantage to REXX anymore, as fine a language as it is. Python is taking over IBM i where I work. -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Nodejs
Google took me right to https://www.ibm.com/us-en/marketplace/sdk-nodejs-compiler-zos On 3/24/20 11:42 AM, scott Ford wrote: All: Has anyone used Nodejs on Unix system Services and what did they use it for ? Can I create a Node.js server on Unix system services and create a node.js client on Windows and talk to it ? -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: ZD forum/community
On 3/15/20 11:31 AM, Colin Raybould wrote: Does anyone know where the ZD (IBM Z Development and Test Environment) forums or communities are now that the DeveloperWorks forums have closed? Is it here? https://community.ibm.com/community/user/ibmz-and-linuxone/groups/community-home/digestviewer -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Question on MQ on the Z/os
On 3/3/20 5:57 PM, Longnecker, Dennis wrote: If one had MQ on the Z and it was doing all the QMgrs/Queue work, do the clients (that aren't QMgrs/Queue) on the other boxes need cost/purchase licenses? I am not IBM. I am not a lawyer. The clients are free to distribute if you have an application running on a licensed installation. -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Job Posting
On 1/8/20 10:53 AM, ITschak Mugzach wrote: from wikipedia: 1908, Third National Bank and Fifth National Bank merged to become the Fifth-Third National Bank of Cincinnati; The fellow who came up with that name musta done so late at night when he was on his third 5th. -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Interchange best practice?
Now that IBM i is moving into *nix-land with PASE (like USS on z/OS) there are a certain number of ksh users. Bash has a lot of nice user features. Scripters with decade-plus experience sometimes prefer ksh. On 12/9/19 7:28 PM, Lee B wrote: ksh seems to be the default shell on OpenBSD, as it was (and presumably still is) on AIX. On Tue, Dec 10 2019, Seymour J Metz wrote: Does anybody use Korn these days. The Linux community is pushing bash, and they're a large part of the *ix community. I don't know what they *bsd community favors, but I doubt that it's POSIX. One of the things that surprised me about the original OE was that IBM seemed to have zeroed in on those things needed to get certified and ignored those things that, while not required for certification were in widespread use. Does anybody outside of the z world use the POSIX shell? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: File I/O Metal C documentation error
On 11/6/19 5:35 PM, Joseph Reichman wrote: Looking at the cross reference at the bottom of the z/OS Metal C Programming Guide and Reference "fopen() library function 57" However fopen is nowhere to be found anywhere else fopen() is a Standard C Library function. If you have a standard C compiler, fopen() is there and documented everywhere. E.g., https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/C%2B%2B_Programming/Code/Standard_C_Library/Functions/fopen -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Another IBM Mainframe bites the dust
On 10/2/19 5:27 PM, Thomas Kern wrote: My condolences. /Tom Kern /former z/VM Systems Programmer On 10/02/2019 13:56, Honeycutt,Mary C wrote: Hi All, After 47 years, The University of Florida, Has shut down our Mainframe. If everyone's not too busy, there's a shortage of Cobol and RPG programmers in the IBM i community ... Not like you have to learn new skills. Just new old skills :) -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
z15 from IBM i perspective
https://common.inloop.com/en/article/110960 -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: I see a need for general conversion of mappings was Re: C headers in z/OS 2.4
On 9/21/19 9:56 AM, Jon Perryman wrote: It's interesting to see an actual use case for C union and bit mapping. In all these years, I've never seen these used in programs I've worked with because of portability issues and not really providing useful functionality for those products. An archaism of C that remains because old *nix programs use or used them. Legacy of the era of expensive RAM. -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: x3270 on Mac Homebrew
On 7/17/19 11:19 AM, Martin Packer wrote: Is anyone here in a position to encourage / facilitate Homebrew on Mac to move x3270 on from 3.6ga5 to 3.6ga8? Someone already did. https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew-core/pull/42020 -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Handy U.S. gov site - Gregorian calendar with DOY
In Python, which runs in USS, I believe: |fromdatetime importdatetime day_of_year =datetime.now().timetuple().tm_yday| On 6/5/2019 7:39 AM, Mike Schwab wrote: Here is a tiny little Day of Year spreadsheet I did about 35 years ago -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: ads on Knowledge Center?
On 6/2/2019 9:16 AM, Steve Horein wrote: I think my disappoint lies in that IBM, a leading tech company that provides IT services, outsources this service. I am guessing that it is cheaper for IBM, but I had always thought of IBM in terms of striving for quality and not cost. If IBM is economizing, it's to put the money where it really counts, e.g., into IBM Q <https://www.research.ibm.com/ibm-q/>, which is the future. -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS specific commits (was: ... "awk" ...)
On 5/14/2019 12:00 PM, Tom Marchant wrote: On Tue, 14 May 2019 11:29:22 -0500, John McKown wrote: IIRC, Rocket will supply the source if you request it I disagree. See part 6 of the GPL v3 " for a price no more than your reasonable cost of physically performing this conveying of source". Tom has the correct interpretation of the GPL. -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: mainframe hacking "success stories"?
On 5/7/2019 9:03 PM, Phil Smith III wrote: Of course autorun was evil, but it did have some fun moments. At one point in the Outlook 97 days, our network manager sent me a note which, when opened, played VERY LOUDLY a .wav file that screamed "HEY EVERYBODY! I'M LOOKIN' AT PORN OVER HERE!" Such constitutes the ONLY legitimate business case for introducing Outlook into the enterprise! -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: mainframe hacking "success stories"?
https://www.bigendiansmalls.com/ -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Fwd: Quantum computing will break your encryption in a few years | Network World
And you can be part of it for free! :) https://quantumexperience.ng.bluemix.net/qx/ On 3/21/2019 6:14 AM, Mark Regan wrote: https://www.networkworld.com/article/3373550/quantum-computing-will-break-your-encryption-in-a-few-years.html https://tinyurl.com/y4ddvsm2 -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Can a JBOSS virus attack infect a mainframe?
On 3/13/2019 8:10 AM, Bill Bishop (TMNA) wrote: Information Security is asking Mainframe Management if JBOSS virus attacks can infect a mainframe. And if you want to give your Sec guys and gals conniption fits, point 'em to our good friend Bigendian Smalls's website about hacking mainframes. https://www.bigendiansmalls.com/ -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Can a JBOSS virus attack infect a mainframe?
On 3/13/2019 8:10 AM, Bill Bishop (TMNA) wrote: Are there ways for a JBOSS call to infect a mainframe? Any program in USS could conceivably execute malicious code with whatever privilege the process launching it has. If so, what would our options be to prevent other than a solid RACF environment? * Don't run things in USS with a lot of privilege if you can avoid it. * Follow advisories about open source vulnerabilities. * Participate in the open source world and become more familiar with what you're dealing with. o Serious breaches of the code base of mainstream open source projects like JBoss are fairly rare and usually caught quickly. o Are you checking signatures correctly when you download and install stuff to make sure you have the real goods? -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Red Hat (was Re: how many OSes run on IBMz)
On 1/25/2019 2:39 PM, Gord Tomlin wrote: It will be a great opportunity for IBM to show whether it genuinely supports the open source community. If you have any doubt on /that /score, you should check out IBM i and IBM Q. Of all the Great Beasts on the Block, IBM has over the decades played the most fairly with the open source community, period. -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Thanks For All the Fish
On 12/12/2018 6:41 AM, John Eells wrote: It's time to shed the daily stress, devote more time to my hobbies (diving, amateur radio, metalworking, cycling), and find a place in the County that can use an active volunteer for however many hours I feel like working (if any). And join a concertina band, right? :) -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: SFTP between AIX to Mainframe
On 12/12/2018 3:41 AM, venkat kulkarni wrote: We identified the issue and resolve it and the solution is, if we use SCP to transfer file from AIX to Mainframe, data gets corrupt during transmission. This is because IBM implemented z/OS SCP incorrectly. SCP on z/OS treats all data as character data and does ASCII/EBCDIC translation on it. You have to use SFTP on z/OS to transfer binary data. -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM sells software portfolio including Notes and Domino to HCL for $1.8b | ZDNet
On 12/7/2018 9:59 AM, Dave Jones wrote: https://www.zdnet.com/article/ibm-sells-software-portfolio-including-notes-and-domino-to-hcl-for-1-8b/ I think it's wonderful they got so much money for it. -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
SOLVED Re: IND$FILE -- where did the name come from?
IND$FILE clearly is short for *I* *N*eed to *D*ownload this *$*#!% *FILE* -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Ask the experts about running things
On 11/7/2018 10:51 PM, Charles Mills wrote: I does and it doesn't. No one could claim that z/OS was an initialism for zero-down-time operating system. All us francophones understand ... it ees seemply ze OS. -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: SCP of file to USS from Mac is corrupted
On 10/18/2018 4:41 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: IBM went wonko porting SCP to z/OS and turned it into a text-only transfer, despite its being binary-only on all other platforms including IBM i. Are any of those other platforms EBCDIC? Doesn't matter. Unicode, ASCII, no difference in SCP. SCP is pure binary, transfer zip files, etc., on other platforms. Only IBM's implementation is char set sensitive. You have to use SFTP which is OpenSSH-as-FTP, same security and key management as SCP, for binary xfers. SFTP, like SCP, is based on SSH. Does it bypass the SSH ASCII-->EBCDIC conversion? SFTP does bin or character mode. -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: SCP of file to USS from Mac is corrupted
On 10/18/2018 10:45 AM, Matt Hogstrom wrote: I want to use scp to copy a pax to USS from my Mac by the file hash is wrong and it’s not the same content. IBM went wonko porting SCP to z/OS and turned it into a text-only transfer, despite its being binary-only on all other platforms including IBM i. You have to use SFTP which is OpenSSH-as-FTP, same security and key management as SCP, for binary xfers. -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS PDF collection index file - Error disk not in drive?
On 9/1/2018 12:57 PM, Farley, Peter x23353 wrote: I suspect something weird on my employer's PC but what is the question. Windows has a shared disk assigned but not available. Delete the share. -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: FYI: IEEE Survey Ranks Programming Languages
On 8/20/2018 9:49 AM, Nightwatch RenBand wrote: Doesn't this nicely prove how worthless such surveys are? "There is a special place in hell reserved for those who create sloppy surveys, who have polluted the software developer industry with absolute noise and nonsense over many years now." - Geertjan Wielenga, senior principal product manager at Oracle for NetBeans, InfoQ interview https://www.infoq.com/news/2018/08/netbeans-apache-update-aug18 -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: (OT) Good bye everyone
On July 16, 2018 at 3:23 PM Edward Gould wrote: I will have to find some other outlet. CHESS!! -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
IBM i as JCL replacement (was: Rexx as JCL replacement)
On 7/4/2018 11:00 AM, Paul Gilmartin wrote: JCL has numerous restrictions and inconsistencies due to antiquity, IBM i supports Cobol. Come on down :) -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Would SHARE kindly kick IBM in the ass for what the've done with their web content?
On 6/14/2018 8:53 AM, Ed Jaffe wrote: ALL z/OS V2R1 CONTENT WAS REMOVED FROM THE INTERNET BY IBM!! DO A GOOGLE SEARCH, AND NONE OF THE LINKS WORK!! Stop whining and buy a used Power8 and install IBM i 7.3, "What z/OS should have been and never was" :) -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Walt Doherty - RIP
On 5/25/2018 1:21 PM, Gabe Goldberg wrote: Father of economics of sub-second response time; wonderful SHARE/mainframe/computing contributor. Read that old paper and realized we've gone backwards from the mainframe ... as I wait for my JIRA ticket to load ... -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: How Programming Affects Your Brain: 3 Big Truths According to Science
On 5/1/2018 11:55 AM, Gabe Goldberg wrote: Funny, didn't mention effects on brain of learning APL or assembler. Or FORTH or m4 -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS java development : off platform IDE
On 4/23/2018 10:03 AM, John McKown wrote: especially with respect to doing development off-platform. Just mount them via NFS to your Linux development machine and use them in NetBeans that way. I'm a NetBeans user since the 1990's myself :) -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Any C++ regex template class gotchas?
On 4/8/2018 2:58 PM, Charles Mills wrote: The pattern is supplied at run time -- as is typical of regex implementations -- so no number of subclasses solves the problem. Put the flags in the same scope as the regex and naybe it doesn't blow up. Either forget about your RegexObject and just do the regex inline in main() in which case you need no dtor, or put the flags instantiation inside the Regex Object. -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Any C++ regex template class gotchas?
On 4/8/2018 2:58 PM, Charles Mills wrote: I firmly believe this is a bug, and I do have a workaround, l I'll betcha it's not a bug, it's something about the flags being out of scope before the dtor is called for the object. C++ is, to put it mildly, design-heavy. You can prove it if you write the equivalent code on your home Linux box and it blows up there, too. -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Any C++ regex template class gotchas?
On 4/8/2018 1:43 PM, Charles Mills wrote: Thanks, but won't work well in the real code. Besides, the C++ way to do that is to have subclasses with increasingly specific ctors for your needs, not mess with a template's internal data in main(). Betcha if you work on the class design a little it will "magically" start working. -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Any C++ regex template class gotchas?
On 4/8/2018 1:43 PM, Charles Mills wrote: Thanks, but won't work well in the real code. I just meant as a debugging step. Make it work, then make it break again and you're home. -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Any C++ regex template class gotchas?
On 4/8/2018 1:04 PM, Charles Mills wrote: It do. The error message is ABEND=S0C4 U REASON=0004. Try initializing the regex in the declaration instead of doing it in main() via pointer-to-reference; -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Any C++ regex template class gotchas?
On 4/8/2018 12:09 PM, Charles Mills wrote: Believe it or not, it appears to be a bug in the C++ runtime. Anyone who wants to prove me wrong is welcome to try the below. I have tested only on z/OS V2R2. No convenient access, but let me guess: blows up in the delete? Got an error message? -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Waiting for IBM to step away from Laura Ingraham sponsorship
This IBM stockholder is waiting for IBM to step away from Laura Ingraham sponsorship. Apologies for inserting politics into the technical discussion, but see no other equally effective venue to express my disappoinment. -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Historical recreation/restoration of original FORTH on the IBM 1130
http://rescue1130.blogspot.com.au/2018/03/historical-recreationrestoration-of.html -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: The Beauty of the COBOL Programming Language - DevOps.com
On 2/20/2018 10:31 PM, Gabe Goldberg wrote: https://devops.com/the-beauty-of-the-cobol-programming-language-v2/ * Docs <https://opencobolide.readthedocs.io/en/latest/index.html> » * What’s New? * Edit on GitHub <https://github.com/OpenCobolIDE/OpenCobolIDE/blob/master/doc/source/whats_new.rst> What’s New? ** OpenCobolIDE is no longer maintained ** -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: So long and thanks for all the fish
On 2/8/2018 5:01 AM, Mark Jacobs - Listserv wrote: The new owners didn't want to be in the fulfillment business so they're moving all Time Inc fulfillment activities to their current service provider I've found Time Magazine unfulfilling for a number of years already ... :) -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM Hardware Lifecycle list?
On 2/7/2018 1:11 AM, Elardus Engelbrecht wrote: Or IBM-MAIN members asking for help on something which is really out of support, something like this familiar plea for help "Please help me with an abend in program X in language Y in MVS or OS/390 or z/OS " ;-) ... which reminds me that I asked last year for support for a problem in z/OS v1.13 and WebSphere. Yes, in late 2016 I was on this list struggling with z/OS 1.11 ... But look (quickly before you retire!) at this Nov 2017 survey about age and roles of RACF persons: https://www.rshconsulting.com/surveys/RSH_Consulting__RACF_Survey_074__Age_RACF-L_Participants.pdf 80.7% over 50 extending into their 70's. That gives me hope. I'm on the "Work Until You Drop" retirement plan myself ... -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM Hardware Lifecycle list?
On 2/6/2018 11:47 PM, Elardus Engelbrecht wrote: "Historically each mainframe generation has had a long life from general availability to service discontinuance, averaging over 11 years." Historically, each mainframe generation has had a long life: from general availability, to service discontinuance, to people asking on IBM-MAIN for help with CECs that have been out of support for a decade or more ... :) -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: curious: Popularity & use of C on z/OS.
On 1/14/2018 11:35 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote: REXX doesn't have a goto Sure it does: SIGNAL -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Interesting? Kotlin (JVM based language) interactive compile & run
On 1/13/2018 11:58 PM, David Crayford wrote: I'm not a big fan of Go. It seems like a regression compared to other modern languages. It lacks features like pattern matching, immutable declarations and has a flaky type system. You just listed some of its best features :) It /is/ a step back from the type-obsessiveness of trad obj oriented programming to something much easier to do. What I find exciting is now IBM have ported LLVM to z/OS they can easily port all of these languages to z/OS. This too is very interesting. The only thing holding z/OS programmers from more modern coding fun is reticence. If nothing less orthodox appeals to one, LE C/C++ is very nicely done. -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Interesting? Kotlin (JVM based language) interactive compile & run
On 1/13/2018 4:04 PM, John McKown wrote: Well, given the responses to my thread on "z/OS and C", I'd say that "something better" is desired. It's called Go. https://golang.org/ -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM ZD
On 1/13/2018 1:03 PM, Mike Schwab wrote: And according to this link from that page: https://www.ibm.com/us-en/marketplace/z-systems-development-test-environment "Develop and test mainframe applications on x86 hardware Starting at $4,920.00 USD per year" Seems to be z/OS that comes with it but no z/VM? -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: curious: Popularity & use of C on z/OS.
On 1/13/2018 1:53 AM, Bernd Oppolzer wrote: My experience is: C++ is VERY unsafe, because memory leaks are omnipresent with C++. I would respectfully disagree with that statement Me, too. My experience is: Weak programmers can make BASIC and LOGO leak memory :) -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: curious: Popularity & use of C on z/OS.
On 1/12/2018 3:05 PM, Gord Tomlin wrote: To really "B Sharp", call it "C Sharp" like the folks at Microsoft. B Sharp is C :) -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: "make" question
On 12/14/2017 7:25 AM, Gord Tomlin wrote: All the make tools share an annoying reliance on tab characters. This is somehow more pernicious than punch-card-column dependencies in traditional IBM tools? :) -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: IBM does what IBM does best: Raises the chopper again
On 11/30/2017 8:07 AM, William Donzelli wrote: This poor mangled quote... Watson was specifically referring to one specific model of machine, not computers in general. I never let truth get in the way of a good story! :) -- Jack J. Woehr # Science is more than a body of knowledge. It's a way of www.well.com/~jax # thinking, a way of skeptically interrogating the universe www.softwoehr.com # with a fine understanding of human fallibility. - Carl Sagan -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
