Re: whois.ibm.com - gone

[zMan]

On Thu, Oct 12, 2017 at 6:09 PM, Edward Gould 
wrote:

> Yes people make mistakes but they correct the problem as soon as they are
> made aware of it. That is the way I have been taught since kindergarten.
> *ITS* your responsibility. to fix things that you broke.


That's so last-century. Everyone is exceptional, and it's not "broken", it
just has a different perspective. If someone else doesn't like it, *they *can
fix it!

(Yes, tongue firmly in cheek, lest ye think I've completely lost it)

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Re: whois.ibm.com - gone

[Edward Gould]

> On Oct 12, 2017, at 12:06 PM, Sankaranarayanan, Vignesh 
>  wrote:
> 
> Errr what?
> I'm sure you noticed that I'm not from IBM?
> An IBM employee wouldn't tweet an IBM 'situation' out to the world.
> 
> PS: Someone who's a bit rubbish in their job doesn't need be from India for 
> it to make sense. As if the entire rest of the world is 100% correct and 
> perfect all the time.
> 
> IBM has been making a lot of changes to their sites in the recent past; cut 
> them some slack. Whether this was a mistake or not, people are allowed to 
> make mistakes (as long as they then learn from it). Deal with it.
> If this was a service you were very reliant on, contact your service rep.
> 
> – Vignesh
> Mainframe Infrastructure

Yes people make mistakes but they correct the problem as soon as they are made 
aware of it. That is the way I have been taught since kindergarten. *ITS* your 
responsibility. to fix things that you broke.

Ed


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Re: whois.ibm.com - gone

[John Arwe]

On 10/12/2017 8:29 AM, Edward Gould wrote:
>> It is gone permanently, I'm afraid.  DSTM, please.
> DTSM there are several acronyms, one of which is gross and I don’t think you 
> are talking about Santa Monica. Please elaborate.

I believe JE's intended meaning is:

Don't
Shoot
The
Messenger


John Arwe
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Re: whois.ibm.com - gone

[Sankaranarayanan, Vignesh]

That statement was for people who tend to point fingers.
Note that at least in the mainframe world, we have to fill savagely huge shoes 
and it's not the easiest job in the world, considering the bigger picture (that 
only we are 'lucky enough' to see).


">>I'd like to believe this was [not? -- gil] because of me (!!!), but
>>only IBM knows what really happened :)"

Meant it as I said it (without the 'not').
Just found it slightly amusing that something I said may have caused IBM to 
take down a site. Very unlikely, but an amusing prospect nonetheless.

– Vignesh
Mainframe Infrastructure

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On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 17:06:48 +, Sankaranarayanan, Vignesh wrote:
>
>PS: Someone who's a bit rubbish in their job doesn't need be from India for it 
>to make sense. As if the entire rest of the world is 100% correct and perfect 
>all the time.
>
No offense intended; I merely was amused by a coincidence in your surname, an 
earlier somewhat prejudiced ply which I quoted, and that in your otherwise 
excellent English (it might be your first language), you seem to have omitted 
an adverb, "not":

>>I'd like to believe this was [not? -- gil] because of me (!!!), but
>>only IBM knows what really happened :)

I believe walls, trade barriers, and the residue of the Mason-Dixon Line are 
Bad Things.  If employees overseas were compensated fairly, according to 
ability, there'd be no incentive for companies to move jobs offshore.
The pernicious "cheapest bidder" effect would remain as powerful locally as 
internationally.

Apologies for whatever political content, gil

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Re: whois.ibm.com - gone

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 17:06:48 +, Sankaranarayanan, Vignesh wrote:
>
>PS: Someone who's a bit rubbish in their job doesn't need be from India for it 
>to make sense. As if the entire rest of the world is 100% correct and perfect 
>all the time.
> 
No offense intended; I merely was amused by a coincidence in your
surname, an earlier somewhat prejudiced ply which I quoted, and
that in your otherwise excellent English (it might be your first
language), you seem to have omitted an adverb, "not":

>>I'd like to believe this was [not? -- gil] because of me (!!!), but only IBM 
>>knows
>>what really happened :)

I believe walls, trade barriers, and the residue of the Mason-Dixon Line
are Bad Things.  If employees overseas were compensated fairly, according
to ability, there'd be no incentive for companies to move jobs offshore.
The pernicious "cheapest bidder" effect would remain as powerful locally
as internationally.

Apologies for whatever political content,
gil

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Re: whois.ibm.com - gone

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Wed, 11 Oct 2017 23:02:47 -0400, Tony Thigpen wrote:
>...
>I wonder if they outsourced their web stuff to India? :-)
>...

On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 14:03:20 +, Sankaranarayanan, Vignesh wrote:

>About a few weeks ago, I tweeted saying I found a page within ibm.com that 
>allowed looking up an IBM-er's contact info by just inputting their last name.
>
>I'd like to believe this was because of me (!!!), but only IBM knows what 
>really happened :)
>
>- Vignesh
>Mainframe Infrastructure
>
Errr...

-- gil

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Re: whois.ibm.com - gone

[Phil Smith III]

Tony Thigpen wrote:

>They have really messed up their web sites in the last two years. Using Doc
online now just about impossible. And, many times, they don't even give an
easy to find PDF download option. (I have found that going back up the
manual chain will sometimes give you the option.)

 

>Lately, a lot of Google links to IBM sites just get that pesky 'not found'
screen.

 

>I wonder if they outsourced their web stuff to India? :-)

 

I think so. A month or so ago, I heard about a z14 event on the wrong coast.
So I went did some searches, wound up at https://www.ibm.com/events/ and
searched for "z14". Which gets you 104 results-none of which are actually
about the z14. So this is the new, premier product, yet it's not findable.
Brilliant.

 

I opened a ticket, and got a response:

Thank you for contacting IBM.

We are in receipt of your e-mail regarding the IBM z14.

For information about the IBM z14, please visit the below link:

 
https://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redbooks.nsf/pages/z14?Open

If this is not the information you are looking for, please resend your
e-mail with additional information such as:

- the detail description of the request

- kind of assistance you are looking for

Thank you for visiting our site and contacting IBM.

 

Responded to that, pointing out that it didn't answer my question ("Where
are the z14 events?") and noting that they should be a wee bit more
interested in a failure of basic site functionality. That got the automated
response and then nothing.

 

Mentioned it to a friend with POK connections. He forwarded it to an IBM
Fellow, who pushed it up the chain, but:

 

xxx just called back after talking with several maroons within the IBM
marketing cog. He is confirming, that for all practical purposes, all IBM
websites are now supported externally by sub-contractors. Many of these subs
have zero knowledge of or about IBM other than what they are told and so
they implement and walk away.

 

I've been an IBM fan for over 40 years; I've made my living off of IBM
systems for almost that entire time (since 1980, minus about a year during
the dot-com bubble). Sadly, at this point I'm hoping they survive until I
retire. Makes me feel physically ill.

 

.phsiii


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Re: whois.ibm.com - gone

[Sankaranarayanan, Vignesh]

About a few weeks ago, I tweeted saying I found a page within ibm.com that 
allowed looking up an IBM-er's contact info by just inputting their last name.

I'd like to believe this was because of me (!!!), but only IBM knows what 
really happened :)

- Vignesh
Mainframe Infrastructure

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John Eells wrote:
> Dyck, Lionel B. , TRA wrote:
>> It would appear that the whois.ibm.com site that was very useful to
>> find contact info for any IBM employee has been removed.  Does anyone
>> know if there is a new url for that service?
>>
>
> I sent a note asking what happened to it.  I'll let the list know if I
> get a response.
>

It is gone permanently, I'm afraid.  DSTM, please.

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Re: whois.ibm.com - gone

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 07:29:38 -0500, Edward Gould wrote:
>> 
>> It is gone permanently, I'm afraid.  DSTM, please.
>
>DTSM there are several acronyms, one of which is gross and I don’t think you 
>are talking about Santa Monica. Please elaborate.
>Thanks,
> 
Try DSTM, instead.

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Re: whois.ibm.com - gone

[Edward Gould]

> On Oct 12, 2017, at 6:02 AM, John Eells  wrote:
> 
> John Eells wrote:
>> Dyck, Lionel B. , TRA wrote:
>>> It would appear that the whois.ibm.com  site that 
>>> was very useful to
>>> find contact info for any IBM employee has been removed.  Does anyone
>>> know if there is a new url for that service?
>>> 
>> 
>> I sent a note asking what happened to it.  I'll let the list know if I
>> get a response.
>> 
> 
> It is gone permanently, I'm afraid.  DSTM, please.

John,

DTSM there are several acronyms, one of which is gross and I don’t think you 
are talking about Santa Monica. Please elaborate.
Thanks,

Ed
> 
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Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: whois.ibm.com - gone

[Dyck, Lionel B. (TRA)]

DTSM - don't shoot the messenger

But I think another explanation is that whois.ibm.com is now DTSM - dark side 
of the moon

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At first glance, it looked to me like  you used a common pinball players' 
euphemism: SDTM - Straight Down the Middle!  (but strangely appropriate)

Is Bluepages next?

Dana

On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 07:02:35 -0400, John Eells <ee...@us.ibm.com> wrote:

>John Eells wrote:
>
>It is gone permanently, I'm afraid.  DSTM, please.
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Re: whois.ibm.com - gone

[Dana Mitchell]

At first glance, it looked to me like  you used a common pinball players' 
euphemism: SDTM - Straight Down the Middle!  (but strangely appropriate)

Is Bluepages next?

Dana

On Thu, 12 Oct 2017 07:02:35 -0400, John Eells  wrote:

>John Eells wrote:
>
>It is gone permanently, I'm afraid.  DSTM, please.
>
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Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: whois.ibm.com - gone

[Dyck, Lionel B. (TRA)]

John - we won't shoot you - thanks for checking

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John Eells wrote:
> Dyck, Lionel B. , TRA wrote:
>> It would appear that the whois.ibm.com site that was very useful to 
>> find contact info for any IBM employee has been removed.  Does anyone 
>> know if there is a new url for that service?
>>
>
> I sent a note asking what happened to it.  I'll let the list know if I 
> get a response.
>

It is gone permanently, I'm afraid.  DSTM, please.

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Re: whois.ibm.com - gone

[John Eells]

John Eells wrote:

Dyck, Lionel B. , TRA wrote:

It would appear that the whois.ibm.com site that was very useful to
find contact info for any IBM employee has been removed.  Does anyone
know if there is a new url for that service?



I sent a note asking what happened to it.  I'll let the list know if I
get a response.



It is gone permanently, I'm afraid.  DSTM, please.

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Re: Doc online (was: whois.ibm.com - gone)

[Susan Shumway]

Thanks for supporting the indexed PDF collection, Gil. I personally 
reference it regularly and agree that it's really useful.


Tony, I suspect you're referring to the ability to download the 
containing PDF from any KC topic. Since that functionality doesn't exist 
right now, the closest workaround is the one that you already stumbled 
upon. In the breadcrumb trail at the top of the topic, first note the 
containing deliverable (typically the second item in the string) and 
then click on the containing element/feature (typically the first item 
in the string). You'll land on the page that lists all deliverables in 
the element/feature, from which you can click to download the PDF for 
the deliverable that you need.


-Sue Shumway


On 10/11/17 11:27 PM, Paul Gilmartin wrote:

On Wed, 11 Oct 2017 23:02:47 -0400, Tony Thigpen wrote:


They have really messed up their web sites in the last two years. Using
Doc online now just about impossible. And, many times, they don't even
give an easy to find PDF download option. (I have found that going back
up the manual chain will sometimes give you the option.)


For basic stuff, the following:
 http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/library/bkserv/

z/OS V2R3 Documentation is now available
z/OS Library
Search using IBM Knowledge Center   V2R3V2R2V2R1
Search at the element or book level V2R3V2R2V2R1
Download books in PDF formatV2R3V2R2V2R1
Download Adobe Indexed PDF collection   V2R3V2R2

Download one of the indexed zipped pdfs and unzip it.  The
zOS_V2R3_Documentation.pdx file is pretty useful.

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Doc online (was: whois.ibm.com - gone)

[Paul Gilmartin]

On Wed, 11 Oct 2017 23:02:47 -0400, Tony Thigpen wrote:

>They have really messed up their web sites in the last two years. Using
>Doc online now just about impossible. And, many times, they don't even
>give an easy to find PDF download option. (I have found that going back
>up the manual chain will sometimes give you the option.)
> 
For basic stuff, the following:
http://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zos/library/bkserv/

z/OS V2R3 Documentation is now available
z/OS Library
Search using IBM Knowledge Center   V2R3V2R2V2R1
Search at the element or book level V2R3V2R2V2R1
Download books in PDF formatV2R3V2R2V2R1
Download Adobe Indexed PDF collection   V2R3V2R2

Download one of the indexed zipped pdfs and unzip it.  The
zOS_V2R3_Documentation.pdx file is pretty useful.

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Re: whois.ibm.com - gone

[Jack J. Woehr]

On 10/11/2017 6:45 PM, Edward Gould wrote:

I would bet on your 2nd option.



I bet it's more like, "Do we want every @$$4073 on the planet to be able 
to importune our folks for free consulting?"




Face it, IBM is sliding down the hill to bankruptcy.



IBM is going to rule the world starting in 5-7 years when they announce 
the first commercially marketable quantum computer.



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Re: whois.ibm.com - gone

[Edward Gould]

> On Oct 11, 2017, at 4:03 PM, zMan  wrote:
> 
> There aren't enough employees left to justify its existence!
> 
> Either that or it broke and there's nobody left who knows enough about
> programming to fix it.

I would bet on your 2nd option.
Face it, IBM is sliding down the hill to bankruptcy.

Ed


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Re: whois.ibm.com - gone

[zMan]

There aren't enough employees left to justify its existence!

Either that or it broke and there's nobody left who knows enough about
programming to fix it.

On Wed, Oct 11, 2017 at 2:33 PM, John Eells  wrote:

> Dyck, Lionel B. , TRA wrote:
>
>> It would appear that the whois.ibm.com site that was very useful to find
>> contact info for any IBM employee has been removed.  Does anyone know if
>> there is a new url for that service?
>>
>>
> I sent a note asking what happened to it.  I'll let the list know if I get
> a response.
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Re: whois.ibm.com - gone

[John Eells]

Dyck, Lionel B. , TRA wrote:

It would appear that the whois.ibm.com site that was very useful to find 
contact info for any IBM employee has been removed.  Does anyone know if there 
is a new url for that service?



I sent a note asking what happened to it.  I'll let the list know if I 
get a response.


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Re: whois.ibm.com - gone

[Lizette Koehler]

Yea, my link is 404 now

Maybe IBM is no longer publishing employees to the public

Though it looks like if the employee has a BLOG that might be useful.


Lizette


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> It would appear that the whois.ibm.com site that was very useful to find
> contact info for any IBM employee has been removed.  Does anyone know if
> there is a new url for that service?
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Re: whois.ibm.com - gone

[Dana Mitchell]

I can't find anything that works anymore I used to use www.ibm.com/whois   
Everything I try now redirects to the contacts page.   That's too bad, that was 
a handy service.

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>It would appear that the whois.ibm.com site that was very useful to find 
>contact info for any IBM employee has been removed.  Does anyone know if there 
>is a new url for that service?
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whois.ibm.com - gone

[Dyck, Lionel B. (TRA)]

It would appear that the whois.ibm.com site that was very useful to find 
contact info for any IBM employee has been removed.  Does anyone know if there 
is a new url for that service?

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