Re: "XYZZY"?
She lived on Green Acres? On Mon, Aug 28, 2023 at 1:30 PM Jay Maynard wrote: > > I read something not long ago that had a line about "nobody tries to > pronounce her name, since it's a Polish name with five silent Zs in it..." > > On Mon, Aug 28, 2023 at 1:23 PM Radoslaw Skorupka < > 0471ebeac275-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > (My €0.02 contribution to the off-topic thread) > > I'm happy Polish has no doubts regarding pronunciation. No flavours, > > different versions, etc. > > And it is IMHO very clearly and simply defined. Note, it doesn't mean > > the Polish is easy to learn to at least easy to speak. > > BTW: German pronunciation rules are also quite easy and consistent. > > > > Something to learn: > > Szczebrzeszyn > > Łękołody > > Łódź > > (Google translate will pronounce it quite correctly) > > :-) > > > > -- > > Radoslaw Skorupka > > Lodz, Poland > > > > > > > > > > > > W dniu 27.08.2023 o 20:04, Bob Bridges pisze: > > > I didn't think of PLUGH. I just pronounce that "ploo". > > > > > > Anybody here ever figure out what to do with "Hello, sailor!"? I never > > did, > > > but a friend of mine told me where it's valid. > > > > > > (Oh, "5-syllable pronunciation"! I get it now!) > > > > > > --- > > > Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 > > > > > > /* Keep them watching their own minds and trying to produce ~feelings~ > > there > > > by the action of their own wills. When they meant to ask Him for > > charity, > > > let them, instead, start trying to manufacture charitable feelings for > > > themselves and not notice that this is what they are doing. When they > > meant > > > to pray for courage, let them really be trying to feel brave. When they > > say > > > they are praying for forgiveness, let them be trying to feel forgiven. > > > Teach them to estimate the value of each prayer by their success in > > > producing the desired feeling; and never let them suspect how much > > success > > > or failure of that kind depends on whether they are well or ill, fresh or > > > tired, at the moment. -advice to a tempter from The Screwtape Letters > > by C > > > S Lewis */ > > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > > Behalf Of > > > David L. Craig > > > Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2023 11:42 > > > > > > The only way I could ever get it to work was to spell it out, so I've > > always > > > pronounced it ex-why-zee-zee-why. > > > Plugh also had to be spelled out, but it's pronunciation was much less > > > enigmatic. > > > > > > --- On 23Aug27:0159-0400, David Cole wrote: > > >> For 50 years, I've always used the five syllable pronunciation. > > > -- > > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > -- > Jay Maynard > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: "XYZZY"?
On Mon, 28 Aug 2023 at 14:23, Radoslaw Skorupka <0471ebeac275-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > I'm happy Polish has no doubts regarding pronunciation. No flavours, > different versions, etc. > And it is IMHO very clearly and simply defined. Note, it doesn't mean > the Polish is easy to learn to at least easy to speak. A very old joke has it that the Polish creator of the constructed language Esperanto, L. L. Zamenhof, created it rather than learn Polish. (Of course he did speak Polish, though perhaps not as a native language.) > BTW: German pronunciation rules are also quite easy and consistent. As are those for French. But there are often several different ways to spell a given pronunciation in German. And some cases where you can't pronounce a word from its spelling without knowing the meaning, or at least the origin of the word. Tony H. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: "XYZZY"?
Well... There are no silent letters in Polish. However we use several digraphs like SZ, CZ, RZ, CH, DZ, DŹ, DŻ. And trigraph DZI. Not to mention single letters Ą,Ć,Ę,Ł,Ń,Ó,Ś,Ż,Ź. But we don't use Q an V. SZ is similar to English SH (shame), CZ to TCH (scotch), the rest is harder to explain, especially in short off-topic msg. ;-) BTW: another city name: Wytrzyszczka. Honestly it's funny even in Polish. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland W dniu 28.08.2023 o 20:30, Jay Maynard pisze: I read something not long ago that had a line about "nobody tries to pronounce her name, since it's a Polish name with five silent Zs in it..." On Mon, Aug 28, 2023 at 1:23 PM Radoslaw Skorupka < 0471ebeac275-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: (My €0.02 contribution to the off-topic thread) I'm happy Polish has no doubts regarding pronunciation. No flavours, different versions, etc. And it is IMHO very clearly and simply defined. Note, it doesn't mean the Polish is easy to learn to at least easy to speak. BTW: German pronunciation rules are also quite easy and consistent. Something to learn: Szczebrzeszyn Łękołody Łódź (Google translate will pronounce it quite correctly) :-) -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland W dniu 27.08.2023 o 20:04, Bob Bridges pisze: I didn't think of PLUGH. I just pronounce that "ploo". Anybody here ever figure out what to do with "Hello, sailor!"? I never did, but a friend of mine told me where it's valid. (Oh, "5-syllable pronunciation"! I get it now!) --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* Keep them watching their own minds and trying to produce ~feelings~ there by the action of their own wills. When they meant to ask Him for charity, let them, instead, start trying to manufacture charitable feelings for themselves and not notice that this is what they are doing. When they meant to pray for courage, let them really be trying to feel brave. When they say they are praying for forgiveness, let them be trying to feel forgiven. [...] -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: "XYZZY"?
I read something not long ago that had a line about "nobody tries to pronounce her name, since it's a Polish name with five silent Zs in it..." On Mon, Aug 28, 2023 at 1:23 PM Radoslaw Skorupka < 0471ebeac275-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > (My €0.02 contribution to the off-topic thread) > I'm happy Polish has no doubts regarding pronunciation. No flavours, > different versions, etc. > And it is IMHO very clearly and simply defined. Note, it doesn't mean > the Polish is easy to learn to at least easy to speak. > BTW: German pronunciation rules are also quite easy and consistent. > > Something to learn: > Szczebrzeszyn > Łękołody > Łódź > (Google translate will pronounce it quite correctly) > :-) > > -- > Radoslaw Skorupka > Lodz, Poland > > > > > > W dniu 27.08.2023 o 20:04, Bob Bridges pisze: > > I didn't think of PLUGH. I just pronounce that "ploo". > > > > Anybody here ever figure out what to do with "Hello, sailor!"? I never > did, > > but a friend of mine told me where it's valid. > > > > (Oh, "5-syllable pronunciation"! I get it now!) > > > > --- > > Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 > > > > /* Keep them watching their own minds and trying to produce ~feelings~ > there > > by the action of their own wills. When they meant to ask Him for > charity, > > let them, instead, start trying to manufacture charitable feelings for > > themselves and not notice that this is what they are doing. When they > meant > > to pray for courage, let them really be trying to feel brave. When they > say > > they are praying for forgiveness, let them be trying to feel forgiven. > > Teach them to estimate the value of each prayer by their success in > > producing the desired feeling; and never let them suspect how much > success > > or failure of that kind depends on whether they are well or ill, fresh or > > tired, at the moment. -advice to a tempter from The Screwtape Letters > by C > > S Lewis */ > > > > -Original Message- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of > > David L. Craig > > Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2023 11:42 > > > > The only way I could ever get it to work was to spell it out, so I've > always > > pronounced it ex-why-zee-zee-why. > > Plugh also had to be spelled out, but it's pronunciation was much less > > enigmatic. > > > > --- On 23Aug27:0159-0400, David Cole wrote: > >> For 50 years, I've always used the five syllable pronunciation. > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- Jay Maynard -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: "XYZZY"?
(My €0.02 contribution to the off-topic thread) I'm happy Polish has no doubts regarding pronunciation. No flavours, different versions, etc. And it is IMHO very clearly and simply defined. Note, it doesn't mean the Polish is easy to learn to at least easy to speak. BTW: German pronunciation rules are also quite easy and consistent. Something to learn: Szczebrzeszyn Łękołody Łódź (Google translate will pronounce it quite correctly) :-) -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland W dniu 27.08.2023 o 20:04, Bob Bridges pisze: I didn't think of PLUGH. I just pronounce that "ploo". Anybody here ever figure out what to do with "Hello, sailor!"? I never did, but a friend of mine told me where it's valid. (Oh, "5-syllable pronunciation"! I get it now!) --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* Keep them watching their own minds and trying to produce ~feelings~ there by the action of their own wills. When they meant to ask Him for charity, let them, instead, start trying to manufacture charitable feelings for themselves and not notice that this is what they are doing. When they meant to pray for courage, let them really be trying to feel brave. When they say they are praying for forgiveness, let them be trying to feel forgiven. Teach them to estimate the value of each prayer by their success in producing the desired feeling; and never let them suspect how much success or failure of that kind depends on whether they are well or ill, fresh or tired, at the moment. -advice to a tempter from The Screwtape Letters by C S Lewis */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of David L. Craig Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2023 11:42 The only way I could ever get it to work was to spell it out, so I've always pronounced it ex-why-zee-zee-why. Plugh also had to be spelled out, but it's pronunciation was much less enigmatic. --- On 23Aug27:0159-0400, David Cole wrote: For 50 years, I've always used the five syllable pronunciation. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: "XYZZY"?
I didn't think of PLUGH. I just pronounce that "ploo". Anybody here ever figure out what to do with "Hello, sailor!"? I never did, but a friend of mine told me where it's valid. (Oh, "5-syllable pronunciation"! I get it now!) --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* Keep them watching their own minds and trying to produce ~feelings~ there by the action of their own wills. When they meant to ask Him for charity, let them, instead, start trying to manufacture charitable feelings for themselves and not notice that this is what they are doing. When they meant to pray for courage, let them really be trying to feel brave. When they say they are praying for forgiveness, let them be trying to feel forgiven. Teach them to estimate the value of each prayer by their success in producing the desired feeling; and never let them suspect how much success or failure of that kind depends on whether they are well or ill, fresh or tired, at the moment. -advice to a tempter from The Screwtape Letters by C S Lewis */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of David L. Craig Sent: Sunday, August 27, 2023 11:42 The only way I could ever get it to work was to spell it out, so I've always pronounced it ex-why-zee-zee-why. Plugh also had to be spelled out, but it's pronunciation was much less enigmatic. --- On 23Aug27:0159-0400, David Cole wrote: > For 50 years, I've always used the five syllable pronunciation. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: "XYZZY"?
On 23Aug27:0159-0400, David Cole wrote: > For 50 years, I've always used the five syllable pronunciation. The only way I could ever get it to work was to spell it out, so I've always pronounced it ex-why-zee-zee-why. Plugh also had to be spelled out, but it's pronunciation was much less enigmatic. -- May the LORD God bless you exceedingly abundantly! Dave_Craig__ "So the universe is not quite as you thought it was. You'd better rearrange your beliefs, then. Because you certainly can't rearrange the universe." __--from_Nightfall_by_Asimov/Silverberg_ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: "XYZZY"?
Do you have an online image of the caed? URL? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Brian Westerman [brian_wester...@syzygyinc.com] Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2023 5:33 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: "XYZZY"? Some people say Syz-R-gy. Actually mostly people from the East coast do that. On the west cost they typically call us "SYN-R-GY'. Once they hear me say it a couple times, they tend to at least get a little closer. We used to have a little pronunciation area on our cards just after the big red and black SYZYGY, but thankfully they stopped doing that when we went to the light up and then the current (sort of) 3-D hologram cards. It's actually kind of funny because the background of the cards is an old fashion system dump that has the hex characters that spell out 'If you used Syzygy, this dump would never have happened'. Most people look at the right hand side of the dump and think that the hex characters on the left are being spelled out as something completely different than it actually states. Only one person has caught the discrepancy, and I think he was drunk at that time. Brian -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: "XYZZY"?
Hi David,
Fo' "shizzy" {;-}->
Regards,
David
On 2023-08-27 01:59, David Cole wrote:
For 50 years, I've always used the five syllable pronunciation.
Dave Cole
At 8/24/2023 05:21 PM, Bob Bridges wrote:
It's only just now occurring to me to wonder: How should "XYZZY" be
pronounced? I've always said "KSIZZ-ee", but it occurs to me now
that there
are other possibilities.
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in any
direction and be in almost any country in Europe -- excepting Spain,
Greece,
and maybe Norway/Sweden depending on ferry connections. You can
drive in
the US for six hours and still be in west Texas. -Charley Seavey in the
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> Yes. As I wrote before, there's way too much "take this
job and
find the 27 places that say XYZZY and change them to the right HLQ."
instead
of
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Re: "XYZZY"?
For 50 years, I've always used the five syllable pronunciation. Dave Cole At 8/24/2023 05:21 PM, Bob Bridges wrote: It's only just now occurring to me to wonder: How should "XYZZY" be pronounced? I've always said "KSIZZ-ee", but it occurs to me now that there are other possibilities. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* The thing that most Europeans simply do not grasp is the size of the US. From where I lived in Wiesbaden, Germany, I could drive for six hours in any direction and be in almost any country in Europe -- excepting Spain, Greece, and maybe Norway/Sweden depending on ferry connections. You can drive in the US for six hours and still be in west Texas. -Charley Seavey in the Patrick O'Brian discussion forum (http://www.wwnorton.com/forums/POB/POBforum.htm), May 2000. */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Kurt Quackenbush Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2023 16:47 > Yes. As I wrote before, there's way too much "take this job and find the 27 places that say XYZZY and change them to the right HLQ." instead of -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: "XYZZY"?
Some people say Syz-R-gy. Actually mostly people from the East coast do that. On the west cost they typically call us "SYN-R-GY'. Once they hear me say it a couple times, they tend to at least get a little closer. We used to have a little pronunciation area on our cards just after the big red and black SYZYGY, but thankfully they stopped doing that when we went to the light up and then the current (sort of) 3-D hologram cards. It's actually kind of funny because the background of the cards is an old fashion system dump that has the hex characters that spell out 'If you used Syzygy, this dump would never have happened'. Most people look at the right hand side of the dump and think that the hex characters on the left are being spelled out as something completely different than it actually states. Only one person has caught the discrepancy, and I think he was drunk at that time. Brian -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: "XYZZY"?
Boy, ain't that the truth! For a long time as a youth, reading a lot of science fiction, I had this verb in my head "infrare" (rhymes with "red hair"); it means to manipulate light so that its wavelength falls just below the visible spectrum. Light that has gone through this process has been "infrared" (rhymes with "red-haired"). This verb and participle existed side-by-side with the adjective "infra-red" for a decade or two before it dawned on me... I gather the analogous confusion over "misled" is much more common. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* I love being married. I was single for a long time and I just got so sick of finishing my own sentences. -Brian Kiley */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Friday, August 25, 2023 06:58 But a lot of my vocabulary comes from reading, so that could be very wrong. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: "XYZZY"?
I can imagine several ways to pronounce it, but none involve an R or a fourth syllable. I've always pronounced the first S the same as any other English S, the first two Ys as I as in it and the third Y as E as in the. But a lot of my vocabulary comes from reading, so that could be very wrong. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Brian Westerman [brian_wester...@syzygyinc.com] Sent: Friday, August 25, 2023 12:41 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: "XYZZY"? I hear a bunch of odd ways people pronounce our company name "Syzygy", a lot of them put an "R" in there at the middle and some have it start with a "Z", and some get more than 3 syllables out of it. It's always a lot of fun (when your really bored) to listen to people mangle the company name. :) I an imagine that XYZZY is even worse. Brian -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: "XYZZY"?
Hi Brian, You said: "...(when your really bored) ..." *you're Regards, David I On 2023-08-25 00:41, Brian Westerman wrote: I hear a bunch of odd ways people pronounce our company name "Syzygy", a lot of them put an "R" in there at the middle and some have it start with a "Z", and some get more than 3 syllables out of it. It's always a lot of fun (when your really bored) to listen to people mangle the company name. :) I an imagine that XYZZY is even worse. Brian -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: "XYZZY"?
I hear a bunch of odd ways people pronounce our company name "Syzygy", a lot of them put an "R" in there at the middle and some have it start with a "Z", and some get more than 3 syllables out of it. It's always a lot of fun (when your really bored) to listen to people mangle the company name. :) I an imagine that XYZZY is even worse. Brian -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: "XYZZY"?
On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 17:21:39 -0400, Bob Bridges wrote: >It's only just now occurring to me to wonder: How should "XYZZY" be >pronounced? I've always said "KSIZZ-ee", but it occurs to me now that there >are other possibilities. > GIYF. <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIVj_afuxY0> -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
"XYZZY"?
It's only just now occurring to me to wonder: How should "XYZZY" be pronounced? I've always said "KSIZZ-ee", but it occurs to me now that there are other possibilities. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* The thing that most Europeans simply do not grasp is the size of the US. >From where I lived in Wiesbaden, Germany, I could drive for six hours in any direction and be in almost any country in Europe -- excepting Spain, Greece, and maybe Norway/Sweden depending on ferry connections. You can drive in the US for six hours and still be in west Texas. -Charley Seavey in the Patrick O'Brian discussion forum (http://www.wwnorton.com/forums/POB/POBforum.htm), May 2000. */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Kurt Quackenbush Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2023 16:47 > Yes. As I wrote before, there's way too much "take this job and find the 27 places that say XYZZY and change them to the right HLQ." instead of -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
