Re: [External] Re: z/OS 2.4 and SDSF question
Hi Rex, It does not appear to be SDSF per se. I displayed the Job output with the (TSO) OUTPUT Command ... Same result as yours. Regards, David On 2020-06-17 17:37, Pommier, Rex wrote: Hi Lizette, I'm the OP. :-) My expectation is that when a job gets submitted with TYPRUN=COPY, I get a listing of the job - including all the JCL and in-stream SYSIN etc. TYPRUN=COPY is used because TYPRUN=SCAN doesn't include in-stream SYSIN data. I'm not really that interested in which vendor spool display software you are using, except to make sure it isn't limited to the vendor we use. At this point based on the responses I've seen, TYPRUN=COPY works like it always has if you're running z/OS prior to 2.4. Under 2.4, it's hit and miss, TYPRUN=COPY works for some customers and it doesn't for others, only displaying the JOB card. Most people use SDSF and since we don't, I wanted to know if the problem was limited to my spool display software. Since it isn't, and others have confirmed that the problem is only at 2.4, it appears to me to be a problem more in JES2 than in the spool display software. Unfortunately I don't have access to a printer in my sandbox so I can't test to see if printing the output from TYPRUN=COPY prints the entire output or if it is limited to just the JOB card like the display. Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Lizette Koehler Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 3:50 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [External] Re: z/OS 2.4 and SDSF question This is an interesting discussion. So TYPRUN=COPY is just suppose to copy the JCL to SYSOUT. I am not sure what the expectation is by the OP But on my z/OS 2.3 system with SDSF (I know he wants to know about other vendors I can see the JCL as part of the output of the TYPRUN=COPY If I have it use the MSGCLASS to our JCL repository it is in the Repository as expected. Once we upgrade to V2.4 (or other) I will repeat the process. But for me a z/OS V2.3 - works as expected Lizette -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Al Loeffler Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 1:27 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: z/OS 2.4 and SDSF question I get the same result under z/OS 2.4. I submit the following job: //ALOEFTST JOB $,CLASS=A,MSGCLASS=Y,TYPRUN=COPY //IEFBR14 EXEC PGM=IEFBR14 SDSF has a record count of 12 on the Held Output Display panel, but only shows 11 when the job is selected. The JESJCLIN DDNAME has an incorrect number for the Record Count. //ALOEFTST JOB $,CLASS=A,MSGCLASS=Y,TYPRUN=COPY J0056548 -- JES2 JOB STATISTICS -- 2 CARDS READ 11 SYSOUT PRINT RECORDS 0 SYSOUT PUNCH RECORDS 0 SYSOUT SPOOL KBYTES 0.00 MINUTES EXECUTION TIME J E S 2 J O B L O G -- S Y S T E M X E 1 0 -- N O D E N J E X E 1 0 11.24.16 J0056548 WEDNESDAY, 17 JUN 2020 11.24.16 J0056548 IRR010I USERID ALOEFIS ASSIGNED TO THIS JOB. Regards, Al Loeffler -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Pommier, Rex Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 11:32 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: z/OS 2.4 and SDSF question Hello list, I have a "does it work" question. We don't run SDSF, instead have a competing product. As part of our testing of 2.4, one of my coworkers submitted a job with TYPRUN=COPY on the job card and found it doesn't work. Under 2.2, we get the entire input stream before the JES2 job statistics. Under 2.4, all we get is the JOB card then the statistics report. The spool display product says all the lines are there, but they won't show. When we contacted our vendor about this, they said SDSF displays the same thing, working under earlier releases, but under 2.4, only the JOB card is printed/displayed. Can somebody who is running 2.4 and SDSF (or a third party SDSF competitor) confirm this for me? Our vendor has a case open with IBM but I'd like to know if others are seeing this situation. I'm not second guessing the vendor, just curious if others have run into the situation. TIA, Rex Example: Job run under both 2.2 and 2.4. //RRPBR14 JOB (040423,495),RRP,CLASS=T,MSGCLASS=X,MSGLEVEL=(1,1), // NOTIFY=,TYPRUN=COPY //S1 EXEC PGM=IEFBR14 //D1 DD DISP=OLD,DSN=SFG.$AVRS.V52.KSDS Spool display under both 2.2 and 2.4 says the output is 14 lines long. 2.2 spool display (all 14 lines displayed including entire JCL stream): //RRPBR14 JOB (040423,495),RRP,CLASS=T,MSGCLASS=X,MSGLEVEL=(1,1), JOB03289 // NOTIFY=,TYPRUN=COPY //S1 EXEC PGM=IEFBR14 //D1 DD DISP=OLD,DSN=SFG.$AVRS.V52.KSDS -- JES2 JOB STATISTICS -- 4 CARDS READ 11 SYSOUT PRINT RECORDS 0 SYSOUT PUN
Re: [External] Re: z/OS 2.4 and SDSF question
Good point. As a matter of fact, I looked at both jobs' output on both the 2.3 and 2.4 systems with SDSF. To be completely unambiguous, I think I must be wordy & redundant (not a poke at anyone... take that literally). The TYPRUN=COPY job that *ran* on 2.3 displayed with complete JCL in SDSF on both 2.3 and 2.4. The job that *ran* on 2.4 displayed only the job card in SDSF on both 2.3 and 2.4. So, the problem is not in your set. There is no need to change the channel. I virtually never run TYPRUN=anything (and I'd guess it's rare), so I never noticed this before. Jobs that execute don't seem to be affected. sas On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 5:43 PM Pommier, Rex wrote: > Hi Steve, > > As the OP, I agree that this doesn't appear to be an SDSF issue. I was > trying to make sure it wasn't a display issue with my third party software, > and knowing that others who are running SDSF are having the same issue > gives me confidence that it is a problem in (most likely) JES2. > > Rex > > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [External] Re: z/OS 2.4 and SDSF question
I wonder what EXEC CICS SPOOLREAD brings back? We don't have z/OS 2.4, so can't test against that. On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 7:43 AM Pommier, Rex wrote: > Hi Steve, > > As the OP, I agree that this doesn't appear to be an SDSF issue. I was > trying to make sure it wasn't a display issue with my third party software, > and knowing that others who are running SDSF are having the same issue > gives me confidence that it is a problem in (most likely) JES2. > > Rex > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf > Of Steve Smith > Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 4:00 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: [External] Re: z/OS 2.4 and SDSF question > > Well... I just tried it, and it's true... when run on z/OS 2.4, only the > job card is listed; whereas on 2.3, all the JCL shows up. > > N.B.: This isn't an SDSF issue. SDSF does not run jobs, and does not > spool their output. JES2 (or 3) does that. > > sas > > On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 4:50 PM Lizette Koehler > wrote: > > > This is an interesting discussion. > > > > ...if you say so :-) > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email > to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > The information contained in this message is confidential, protected from > disclosure and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is > not the intended recipient or an employee or agent responsible for > delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified > that any disclosure, distribution, copying, or any action taken or action > omitted in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If > you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately > by replying to this message and destroy the material in its entirety, > whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- Wayne V. Bickerdike -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [External] Re: z/OS 2.4 and SDSF question
Hi Steve, As the OP, I agree that this doesn't appear to be an SDSF issue. I was trying to make sure it wasn't a display issue with my third party software, and knowing that others who are running SDSF are having the same issue gives me confidence that it is a problem in (most likely) JES2. Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Steve Smith Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 4:00 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [External] Re: z/OS 2.4 and SDSF question Well... I just tried it, and it's true... when run on z/OS 2.4, only the job card is listed; whereas on 2.3, all the JCL shows up. N.B.: This isn't an SDSF issue. SDSF does not run jobs, and does not spool their output. JES2 (or 3) does that. sas On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 4:50 PM Lizette Koehler wrote: > This is an interesting discussion. > > ...if you say so :-) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN The information contained in this message is confidential, protected from disclosure and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, distribution, copying, or any action taken or action omitted in reliance on it, is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to this message and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [External] Re: z/OS 2.4 and SDSF question
Hi Lizette, I'm the OP. :-) My expectation is that when a job gets submitted with TYPRUN=COPY, I get a listing of the job - including all the JCL and in-stream SYSIN etc. TYPRUN=COPY is used because TYPRUN=SCAN doesn't include in-stream SYSIN data. I'm not really that interested in which vendor spool display software you are using, except to make sure it isn't limited to the vendor we use. At this point based on the responses I've seen, TYPRUN=COPY works like it always has if you're running z/OS prior to 2.4. Under 2.4, it's hit and miss, TYPRUN=COPY works for some customers and it doesn't for others, only displaying the JOB card. Most people use SDSF and since we don't, I wanted to know if the problem was limited to my spool display software. Since it isn't, and others have confirmed that the problem is only at 2.4, it appears to me to be a problem more in JES2 than in the spool display software. Unfortunately I don't have access to a printer in my sandbox so I can't test to see if printing the output from TYPRUN=COPY prints the entire output or if it is limited to just the JOB card like the display. Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Lizette Koehler Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 3:50 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [External] Re: z/OS 2.4 and SDSF question This is an interesting discussion. So TYPRUN=COPY is just suppose to copy the JCL to SYSOUT. I am not sure what the expectation is by the OP But on my z/OS 2.3 system with SDSF (I know he wants to know about other vendors I can see the JCL as part of the output of the TYPRUN=COPY If I have it use the MSGCLASS to our JCL repository it is in the Repository as expected. Once we upgrade to V2.4 (or other) I will repeat the process. But for me a z/OS V2.3 - works as expected Lizette -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Al Loeffler Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 1:27 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: z/OS 2.4 and SDSF question I get the same result under z/OS 2.4. I submit the following job: //ALOEFTST JOB $,CLASS=A,MSGCLASS=Y,TYPRUN=COPY //IEFBR14 EXEC PGM=IEFBR14 SDSF has a record count of 12 on the Held Output Display panel, but only shows 11 when the job is selected. The JESJCLIN DDNAME has an incorrect number for the Record Count. //ALOEFTST JOB $,CLASS=A,MSGCLASS=Y,TYPRUN=COPY J0056548 -- JES2 JOB STATISTICS -- 2 CARDS READ 11 SYSOUT PRINT RECORDS 0 SYSOUT PUNCH RECORDS 0 SYSOUT SPOOL KBYTES 0.00 MINUTES EXECUTION TIME J E S 2 J O B L O G -- S Y S T E M X E 1 0 -- N O D E N J E X E 1 0 11.24.16 J0056548 WEDNESDAY, 17 JUN 2020 11.24.16 J0056548 IRR010I USERID ALOEFIS ASSIGNED TO THIS JOB. Regards, Al Loeffler -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Pommier, Rex Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 11:32 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: z/OS 2.4 and SDSF question Hello list, I have a "does it work" question. We don't run SDSF, instead have a competing product. As part of our testing of 2.4, one of my coworkers submitted a job with TYPRUN=COPY on the job card and found it doesn't work. Under 2.2, we get the entire input stream before the JES2 job statistics. Under 2.4, all we get is the JOB card then the statistics report. The spool display product says all the lines are there, but they won't show. When we contacted our vendor about this, they said SDSF displays the same thing, working under earlier releases, but under 2.4, only the JOB card is printed/displayed. Can somebody who is running 2.4 and SDSF (or a third party SDSF competitor) confirm this for me? Our vendor has a case open with IBM but I'd like to know if others are seeing this situation. I'm not second guessing the vendor, just curious if others have run into the situation. TIA, Rex Example: Job run under both 2.2 and 2.4. //RRPBR14 JOB (040423,495),RRP,CLASS=T,MSGCLASS=X,MSGLEVEL=(1,1), // NOTIFY=,TYPRUN=COPY //S1 EXEC PGM=IEFBR14 //D1 DD DISP=OLD,DSN=SFG.$AVRS.V52.KSDS Spool display under both 2.2 and 2.4 says the output is 14 lines long.
Re: [External] Re: z/OS 2.4 and SDSF question
Default is MSGLEVEL=(1,1) -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Pommier, Rex Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 2:47 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [External] Re: z/OS 2.4 and SDSF question [CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you trust the sender, Don’t click links or open attachments as it may be a Phishing email, which can steal your Information and compromise your Computer.] Hi Michael and Allan, It's interesting that this works for one of you and not for the other. I got an offline response as well and it works for this individual too. Could the 2 of you (and anybody else who is interested in this and would like to chime in) check what your JES2 JOBCLASS MSGLEVEL is set or defaulted to? The offline replier has MSGLEVEL=(1,1) in JES2PARM, and I have it defaulted to MSGLEVEL=(0,1). It almost looks like a change in 2.4, where JES2 is using the default and not what's on the JOB card. I did a dynamic change $TJOBCLASS to change it to (1,1) but it didn't make any difference. Might try to do a JES cold start on the sandbox to see if that changes the behavior. Thanks again, Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Michael Babcock Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 2:08 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [External] Re: z/OS 2.4 and SDSF question I get the same thing you do under z/OS 2.4. About 12 lines of output. I have SDSF. On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 1:32 PM Pommier, Rex wrote: > Hello list, > > I have a "does it work" question. We don't run SDSF, instead have a > competing product. As part of our testing of 2.4, one of my coworkers > submitted a job with TYPRUN=COPY on the job card and found it doesn't > work. Under 2.2, we get the entire input stream before the JES2 job > statistics. Under 2.4, all we get is the JOB card then the statistics > report. The spool display product says all the lines are there, but > they won't show. When we contacted our vendor about this, they said > SDSF displays the same thing, working under earlier releases, but > under 2.4, only the JOB card is printed/displayed. Can somebody who > is running 2.4 and SDSF (or a third party SDSF competitor) confirm this for > me? > > Our vendor has a case open with IBM but I'd like to know if others are > seeing this situation. I'm not second guessing the vendor, just > curious if others have run into the situation. > > TIA, > > Rex > > Example: > > Job run under both 2.2 and 2.4. > > //RRPBR14 JOB (040423,495),RRP,CLASS=T,MSGCLASS=X,MSGLEVEL=(1,1), > // NOTIFY=,TYPRUN=COPY > //S1 EXEC PGM=IEFBR14 > //D1 DD DISP=OLD,DSN=SFG.$AVRS.V52.KSDS > > Spool display under both 2.2 and 2.4 says the output is 14 lines long. > > 2.2 spool display (all 14 lines displayed including entire JCL stream): > > //RRPBR14 JOB (040423,495),RRP,CLASS=T,MSGCLASS=X,MSGLEVEL=(1,1), > JOB03289 > // NOTIFY=,TYPRUN=COPY > > //S1 EXEC PGM=IEFBR14 > > //D1 DD DISP=OLD,DSN=SFG.$AVRS.V52.KSDS > > -- JES2 JOB STATISTICS -- > > 4 CARDS READ > >11 SYSOUT PRINT RECORDS > > 0 SYSOUT PUNCH RECORDS > > 0 SYSOUT SPOOL KBYTES > > 0.00 MINUTES EXECUTION TIME > > J E S 2 J O B L O G -- S Y S T E M Z O S 2 > -- N O D E Z 1 4 J E S 2 > > 13.28.58 JOB03289 TUESDAY, 16 JUN 2020 > > 13.28.58 JOB03289 IRR010I USERID RRP IS ASSIGNED TO THIS JOB. > > > 2.4 spool display (only 12 lines displayed) : > > //RRPBR14 JOB (040423,495),RRP,CLASS=T,MSGCLASS=X,MSGLEVEL=(1,1), > JOB05572 > // NOTIFY=,TYPRUN=COPY > > -- JES2 JOB STATISTICS -- > > 4 CARDS READ > >11 SYSOUT PRINT RECORDS > > 0 SYSOUT PUNCH RECORDS > > 0 SYSOUT SPOOL KBYTES > > 0.00 MINUTES EXECUTION TIME > > J E S 2 J O B L O G -- S Y S T E M Z O S > 2 > -- N O D E N 1 > > 13.29.19 JOB05572 TUESDAY, 16 JUN 2020 > > 13.29.19 JOB05572 IRR010I USERID RRP IS ASSIGNED TO THIS JOB. > > > The information contained in this message is confidential, protected > from disclosure and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this > message is not the intended recipient or an employee or agent > responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you > are hereby notified that any disclosure, distribution, copying, or any > action taken or action omitted in reliance on it, is strictly > prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this > communication in error, please notify us immediately by replyi
Re: [External] Re: z/OS 2.4 and SDSF question
OK, so it isn't the JES2PARM MSGLEVEL - I just changed my JES2PARM in the 2.4 sandbox to (1,1) and did a cold start, and TYPRUN=COPY still doesn't work. I was hoping for an easy fix - or at least an easy explanation. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Michael Babcock Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 3:21 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [External] Re: z/OS 2.4 and SDSF question The default MSGLEVEL was 1,1 and that’s what was coded on the jobcard. On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 2:47 PM Pommier, Rex wrote: > Hi Michael and Allan, > > It's interesting that this works for one of you and not for the other. > I got an offline response as well and it works for this individual too. > Could the 2 of you (and anybody else who is interested in this and > would like to chime in) check what your JES2 JOBCLASS MSGLEVEL is set > or defaulted to? The offline replier has MSGLEVEL=(1,1) in JES2PARM, > and I have it defaulted to MSGLEVEL=(0,1). It almost looks like a > change in 2.4, where JES2 is using the default and not what's on the > JOB card. I did a dynamic change $TJOBCLASS to change it to (1,1) but > it didn't make any difference. Might try to do a JES cold start on > the sandbox to see if that changes the behavior. > > Thanks again, > > Rex > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of Michael Babcock > Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 2:08 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: [External] Re: z/OS 2.4 and SDSF question > > I get the same thing you do under z/OS 2.4. About 12 lines of output. I > have SDSF. > > On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 1:32 PM Pommier, Rex > wrote: > > > Hello list, > > > > I have a "does it work" question. We don't run SDSF, instead have a > > competing product. As part of our testing of 2.4, one of my > > coworkers submitted a job with TYPRUN=COPY on the job card and found > > it doesn't work. Under 2.2, we get the entire input stream before > > the JES2 job statistics. Under 2.4, all we get is the JOB card then > > the statistics report. The spool display product says all the lines > > are there, but they won't show. When we contacted our vendor about > > this, they said SDSF displays the same thing, working under earlier > > releases, but under 2.4, only the JOB card is printed/displayed. > > Can somebody who is running 2.4 and SDSF (or a third party SDSF > > competitor) confirm this > for me? > > > > Our vendor has a case open with IBM but I'd like to know if others > > are seeing this situation. I'm not second guessing the vendor, just > > curious if others have run into the situation. > > > > TIA, > > > > Rex > > > > Example: > > > > Job run under both 2.2 and 2.4. > > > > //RRPBR14 JOB (040423,495),RRP,CLASS=T,MSGCLASS=X,MSGLEVEL=(1,1), > > // NOTIFY=,TYPRUN=COPY > > //S1 EXEC PGM=IEFBR14 > > //D1 DD DISP=OLD,DSN=SFG.$AVRS.V52.KSDS > > > > Spool display under both 2.2 and 2.4 says the output is 14 lines long. > > > > 2.2 spool display (all 14 lines displayed including entire JCL stream): > > > > //RRPBR14 JOB (040423,495),RRP,CLASS=T,MSGCLASS=X,MSGLEVEL=(1,1), > > JOB03289 > > // NOTIFY=,TYPRUN=COPY > > > > //S1 EXEC PGM=IEFBR14 > > > > //D1 DD DISP=OLD,DSN=SFG.$AVRS.V52.KSDS > > > > -- JES2 JOB STATISTICS -- > > > > 4 CARDS READ > > > >11 SYSOUT PRINT RECORDS > > > > 0 SYSOUT PUNCH RECORDS > > > > 0 SYSOUT SPOOL KBYTES > > > > 0.00 MINUTES EXECUTION TIME > > > > J E S 2 J O B L O G -- S Y S T E M Z O S 2 > > -- N O D E Z 1 4 J E S 2 > > > > 13.28.58 JOB03289 TUESDAY, 16 JUN 2020 > > > > 13.28.58 JOB03289 IRR010I USERID RRP IS ASSIGNED TO THIS JOB. > > > > > > 2.4 spool display (only 12 lines displayed) : > > > > //RRPBR14 JOB (040423,495),RRP,CLASS=T,MSGCLASS=X,MSGLEVEL=(1,1), > > JOB05572 > > // NOTIFY=,TYPRUN=COPY > > > > -- JES2 JOB STATISTICS -- > > > > 4 CARDS READ > > > >11 SYSOUT PRINT RECORDS > > > > 0 SYSOUT PUNCH RECORDS > > > > 0 SYSOUT SPOOL KBYTES > > > > 0.00 MINUTES EXECUTION TIME > > > > J E S 2 J O B L O G -- S Y S T E M Z O > > S > > 2 > > -- N O D E N 1 > > > > 13.
Re: [External] Re: z/OS 2.4 and SDSF question
It also works on my 2.3 system but not on my 2.4 system. On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 2:47 PM Pommier, Rex wrote: > Hi Michael and Allan, > > It's interesting that this works for one of you and not for the other. I > got an offline response as well and it works for this individual too. > Could the 2 of you (and anybody else who is interested in this and would > like to chime in) check what your JES2 JOBCLASS MSGLEVEL is set or > defaulted to? The offline replier has MSGLEVEL=(1,1) in JES2PARM, and I > have it defaulted to MSGLEVEL=(0,1). It almost looks like a change in 2.4, > where JES2 is using the default and not what's on the JOB card. I did a > dynamic change $TJOBCLASS to change it to (1,1) but it didn't make any > difference. Might try to do a JES cold start on the sandbox to see if that > changes the behavior. > > Thanks again, > > Rex > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf > Of Michael Babcock > Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 2:08 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: [External] Re: z/OS 2.4 and SDSF question > > I get the same thing you do under z/OS 2.4. About 12 lines of output. I > have SDSF. > > On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 1:32 PM Pommier, Rex > wrote: > > > Hello list, > > > > I have a "does it work" question. We don't run SDSF, instead have a > > competing product. As part of our testing of 2.4, one of my coworkers > > submitted a job with TYPRUN=COPY on the job card and found it doesn't > > work. Under 2.2, we get the entire input stream before the JES2 job > > statistics. Under 2.4, all we get is the JOB card then the statistics > > report. The spool display product says all the lines are there, but > > they won't show. When we contacted our vendor about this, they said > > SDSF displays the same thing, working under earlier releases, but > > under 2.4, only the JOB card is printed/displayed. Can somebody who > > is running 2.4 and SDSF (or a third party SDSF competitor) confirm this > for me? > > > > Our vendor has a case open with IBM but I'd like to know if others are > > seeing this situation. I'm not second guessing the vendor, just > > curious if others have run into the situation. > > > > TIA, > > > > Rex > > > > Example: > > > > Job run under both 2.2 and 2.4. > > > > //RRPBR14 JOB (040423,495),RRP,CLASS=T,MSGCLASS=X,MSGLEVEL=(1,1), > > // NOTIFY=,TYPRUN=COPY > > //S1 EXEC PGM=IEFBR14 > > //D1 DD DISP=OLD,DSN=SFG.$AVRS.V52.KSDS > > > > Spool display under both 2.2 and 2.4 says the output is 14 lines long. > > > > 2.2 spool display (all 14 lines displayed including entire JCL stream): > > > > //RRPBR14 JOB (040423,495),RRP,CLASS=T,MSGCLASS=X,MSGLEVEL=(1,1), > > JOB03289 > > // NOTIFY=,TYPRUN=COPY > > > > //S1 EXEC PGM=IEFBR14 > > > > //D1 DD DISP=OLD,DSN=SFG.$AVRS.V52.KSDS > > > > -- JES2 JOB STATISTICS -- > > > > 4 CARDS READ > > > >11 SYSOUT PRINT RECORDS > > > > 0 SYSOUT PUNCH RECORDS > > > > 0 SYSOUT SPOOL KBYTES > > > > 0.00 MINUTES EXECUTION TIME > > > > J E S 2 J O B L O G -- S Y S T E M Z O S 2 > > -- N O D E Z 1 4 J E S 2 > > > > 13.28.58 JOB03289 TUESDAY, 16 JUN 2020 > > > > 13.28.58 JOB03289 IRR010I USERID RRP IS ASSIGNED TO THIS JOB. > > > > > > 2.4 spool display (only 12 lines displayed) : > > > > //RRPBR14 JOB (040423,495),RRP,CLASS=T,MSGCLASS=X,MSGLEVEL=(1,1), > > JOB05572 > > // NOTIFY=,TYPRUN=COPY > > > > -- JES2 JOB STATISTICS -- > > > > 4 CARDS READ > > > >11 SYSOUT PRINT RECORDS > > > > 0 SYSOUT PUNCH RECORDS > > > > 0 SYSOUT SPOOL KBYTES > > > > 0.00 MINUTES EXECUTION TIME > > > > J E S 2 J O B L O G -- S Y S T E M Z O S > > 2 > > -- N O D E N 1 > > > > 13.29.19 JOB05572 TUESDAY, 16 JUN 2020 > > > > 13.29.19 JOB05572 IRR010I USERID RRP IS ASSIGNED TO THIS JOB. > > > > > > The information contained in this message is confidential, protected > > from disclosure and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this > > message is not the intended recipient or an employee or agent > > responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you > > are hereby notified that
Re: [External] Re: z/OS 2.4 and SDSF question
The default MSGLEVEL was 1,1 and that’s what was coded on the jobcard. On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 2:47 PM Pommier, Rex wrote: > Hi Michael and Allan, > > It's interesting that this works for one of you and not for the other. I > got an offline response as well and it works for this individual too. > Could the 2 of you (and anybody else who is interested in this and would > like to chime in) check what your JES2 JOBCLASS MSGLEVEL is set or > defaulted to? The offline replier has MSGLEVEL=(1,1) in JES2PARM, and I > have it defaulted to MSGLEVEL=(0,1). It almost looks like a change in 2.4, > where JES2 is using the default and not what's on the JOB card. I did a > dynamic change $TJOBCLASS to change it to (1,1) but it didn't make any > difference. Might try to do a JES cold start on the sandbox to see if that > changes the behavior. > > Thanks again, > > Rex > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf > Of Michael Babcock > Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 2:08 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: [External] Re: z/OS 2.4 and SDSF question > > I get the same thing you do under z/OS 2.4. About 12 lines of output. I > have SDSF. > > On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 1:32 PM Pommier, Rex > wrote: > > > Hello list, > > > > I have a "does it work" question. We don't run SDSF, instead have a > > competing product. As part of our testing of 2.4, one of my coworkers > > submitted a job with TYPRUN=COPY on the job card and found it doesn't > > work. Under 2.2, we get the entire input stream before the JES2 job > > statistics. Under 2.4, all we get is the JOB card then the statistics > > report. The spool display product says all the lines are there, but > > they won't show. When we contacted our vendor about this, they said > > SDSF displays the same thing, working under earlier releases, but > > under 2.4, only the JOB card is printed/displayed. Can somebody who > > is running 2.4 and SDSF (or a third party SDSF competitor) confirm this > for me? > > > > Our vendor has a case open with IBM but I'd like to know if others are > > seeing this situation. I'm not second guessing the vendor, just > > curious if others have run into the situation. > > > > TIA, > > > > Rex > > > > Example: > > > > Job run under both 2.2 and 2.4. > > > > //RRPBR14 JOB (040423,495),RRP,CLASS=T,MSGCLASS=X,MSGLEVEL=(1,1), > > // NOTIFY=,TYPRUN=COPY > > //S1 EXEC PGM=IEFBR14 > > //D1 DD DISP=OLD,DSN=SFG.$AVRS.V52.KSDS > > > > Spool display under both 2.2 and 2.4 says the output is 14 lines long. > > > > 2.2 spool display (all 14 lines displayed including entire JCL stream): > > > > //RRPBR14 JOB (040423,495),RRP,CLASS=T,MSGCLASS=X,MSGLEVEL=(1,1), > > JOB03289 > > // NOTIFY=,TYPRUN=COPY > > > > //S1 EXEC PGM=IEFBR14 > > > > //D1 DD DISP=OLD,DSN=SFG.$AVRS.V52.KSDS > > > > -- JES2 JOB STATISTICS -- > > > > 4 CARDS READ > > > >11 SYSOUT PRINT RECORDS > > > > 0 SYSOUT PUNCH RECORDS > > > > 0 SYSOUT SPOOL KBYTES > > > > 0.00 MINUTES EXECUTION TIME > > > > J E S 2 J O B L O G -- S Y S T E M Z O S 2 > > -- N O D E Z 1 4 J E S 2 > > > > 13.28.58 JOB03289 TUESDAY, 16 JUN 2020 > > > > 13.28.58 JOB03289 IRR010I USERID RRP IS ASSIGNED TO THIS JOB. > > > > > > 2.4 spool display (only 12 lines displayed) : > > > > //RRPBR14 JOB (040423,495),RRP,CLASS=T,MSGCLASS=X,MSGLEVEL=(1,1), > > JOB05572 > > // NOTIFY=,TYPRUN=COPY > > > > -- JES2 JOB STATISTICS -- > > > > 4 CARDS READ > > > >11 SYSOUT PRINT RECORDS > > > > 0 SYSOUT PUNCH RECORDS > > > > 0 SYSOUT SPOOL KBYTES > > > > 0.00 MINUTES EXECUTION TIME > > > > J E S 2 J O B L O G -- S Y S T E M Z O S > > 2 > > -- N O D E N 1 > > > > 13.29.19 JOB05572 TUESDAY, 16 JUN 2020 > > > > 13.29.19 JOB05572 IRR010I USERID RRP IS ASSIGNED TO THIS JOB. > > > > > > The information contained in this message is confidential, protected > > from disclosure and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this > > message is not the intended recipient or an employee or agent > > responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you > > are here
Re: [External] Re: z/OS 2.4 and SDSF question
Hi Michael and Allan, It's interesting that this works for one of you and not for the other. I got an offline response as well and it works for this individual too. Could the 2 of you (and anybody else who is interested in this and would like to chime in) check what your JES2 JOBCLASS MSGLEVEL is set or defaulted to? The offline replier has MSGLEVEL=(1,1) in JES2PARM, and I have it defaulted to MSGLEVEL=(0,1). It almost looks like a change in 2.4, where JES2 is using the default and not what's on the JOB card. I did a dynamic change $TJOBCLASS to change it to (1,1) but it didn't make any difference. Might try to do a JES cold start on the sandbox to see if that changes the behavior. Thanks again, Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Michael Babcock Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 2:08 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [External] Re: z/OS 2.4 and SDSF question I get the same thing you do under z/OS 2.4. About 12 lines of output. I have SDSF. On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 1:32 PM Pommier, Rex wrote: > Hello list, > > I have a "does it work" question. We don't run SDSF, instead have a > competing product. As part of our testing of 2.4, one of my coworkers > submitted a job with TYPRUN=COPY on the job card and found it doesn't > work. Under 2.2, we get the entire input stream before the JES2 job > statistics. Under 2.4, all we get is the JOB card then the statistics > report. The spool display product says all the lines are there, but > they won't show. When we contacted our vendor about this, they said > SDSF displays the same thing, working under earlier releases, but > under 2.4, only the JOB card is printed/displayed. Can somebody who > is running 2.4 and SDSF (or a third party SDSF competitor) confirm this for > me? > > Our vendor has a case open with IBM but I'd like to know if others are > seeing this situation. I'm not second guessing the vendor, just > curious if others have run into the situation. > > TIA, > > Rex > > Example: > > Job run under both 2.2 and 2.4. > > //RRPBR14 JOB (040423,495),RRP,CLASS=T,MSGCLASS=X,MSGLEVEL=(1,1), > // NOTIFY=,TYPRUN=COPY > //S1 EXEC PGM=IEFBR14 > //D1 DD DISP=OLD,DSN=SFG.$AVRS.V52.KSDS > > Spool display under both 2.2 and 2.4 says the output is 14 lines long. > > 2.2 spool display (all 14 lines displayed including entire JCL stream): > > //RRPBR14 JOB (040423,495),RRP,CLASS=T,MSGCLASS=X,MSGLEVEL=(1,1), > JOB03289 > // NOTIFY=,TYPRUN=COPY > > //S1 EXEC PGM=IEFBR14 > > //D1 DD DISP=OLD,DSN=SFG.$AVRS.V52.KSDS > > -- JES2 JOB STATISTICS -- > > 4 CARDS READ > >11 SYSOUT PRINT RECORDS > > 0 SYSOUT PUNCH RECORDS > > 0 SYSOUT SPOOL KBYTES > > 0.00 MINUTES EXECUTION TIME > > J E S 2 J O B L O G -- S Y S T E M Z O S 2 > -- N O D E Z 1 4 J E S 2 > > 13.28.58 JOB03289 TUESDAY, 16 JUN 2020 > > 13.28.58 JOB03289 IRR010I USERID RRP IS ASSIGNED TO THIS JOB. > > > 2.4 spool display (only 12 lines displayed) : > > //RRPBR14 JOB (040423,495),RRP,CLASS=T,MSGCLASS=X,MSGLEVEL=(1,1), > JOB05572 > // NOTIFY=,TYPRUN=COPY > > -- JES2 JOB STATISTICS -- > > 4 CARDS READ > >11 SYSOUT PRINT RECORDS > > 0 SYSOUT PUNCH RECORDS > > 0 SYSOUT SPOOL KBYTES > > 0.00 MINUTES EXECUTION TIME > > J E S 2 J O B L O G -- S Y S T E M Z O S > 2 > -- N O D E N 1 > > 13.29.19 JOB05572 TUESDAY, 16 JUN 2020 > > 13.29.19 JOB05572 IRR010I USERID RRP IS ASSIGNED TO THIS JOB. > > > The information contained in this message is confidential, protected > from disclosure and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this > message is not the intended recipient or an employee or agent > responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you > are hereby notified that any disclosure, distribution, copying, or any > action taken or action omitted in reliance on it, is strictly > prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this > communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to > this message and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic > or hard copy format. Thank you. > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- Michael Babcock OneMain Financial z/OS Systems Programmer, Lead
Re: [External] Re: z/OS 2.4 and SDSF question
Hi Joe, Alas, not my problem. This APAR is for a lot more specific issue, as it has 4 criteria that need to be met before the S0C4 occurs. My issue happens any time TYPRUN=COPY is used. Plus, we have the fixing PTF for the S0C4 already applied. :-) Thanks, Rex -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Joe Monk Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 1:41 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [External] Re: z/OS 2.4 and SDSF question There is an APAR for 0C4 in JES2 when TYPRUN=COPY... https://www.ibm.com/support/pages/apar/OA57427 Joe On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 1:32 PM Pommier, Rex wrote: > Hello list, > > I have a "does it work" question. We don't run SDSF, instead have a > competing product. As part of our testing of 2.4, one of my coworkers > submitted a job with TYPRUN=COPY on the job card and found it doesn't > work. Under 2.2, we get the entire input stream before the JES2 job > statistics. Under 2.4, all we get is the JOB card then the statistics > report. The spool display product says all the lines are there, but > they won't show. When we contacted our vendor about this, they said > SDSF displays the same thing, working under earlier releases, but > under 2.4, only the JOB card is printed/displayed. Can somebody who > is running 2.4 and SDSF (or a third party SDSF competitor) confirm this for > me? > > Our vendor has a case open with IBM but I'd like to know if others are > seeing this situation. I'm not second guessing the vendor, just > curious if others have run into the situation. > > TIA, > > Rex > > Example: > > Job run under both 2.2 and 2.4. > > //RRPBR14 JOB (040423,495),RRP,CLASS=T,MSGCLASS=X,MSGLEVEL=(1,1), > // NOTIFY=,TYPRUN=COPY > //S1 EXEC PGM=IEFBR14 > //D1 DD DISP=OLD,DSN=SFG.$AVRS.V52.KSDS > > Spool display under both 2.2 and 2.4 says the output is 14 lines long. > > 2.2 spool display (all 14 lines displayed including entire JCL stream): > > //RRPBR14 JOB (040423,495),RRP,CLASS=T,MSGCLASS=X,MSGLEVEL=(1,1), > JOB03289 > // NOTIFY=,TYPRUN=COPY > > //S1 EXEC PGM=IEFBR14 > > //D1 DD DISP=OLD,DSN=SFG.$AVRS.V52.KSDS > > -- JES2 JOB STATISTICS -- > > 4 CARDS READ > >11 SYSOUT PRINT RECORDS > > 0 SYSOUT PUNCH RECORDS > > 0 SYSOUT SPOOL KBYTES > > 0.00 MINUTES EXECUTION TIME > > J E S 2 J O B L O G -- S Y S T E M Z O S 2 > -- N O D E Z 1 4 J E S 2 > > 13.28.58 JOB03289 TUESDAY, 16 JUN 2020 > > 13.28.58 JOB03289 IRR010I USERID RRP IS ASSIGNED TO THIS JOB. > > > 2.4 spool display (only 12 lines displayed) : > > //RRPBR14 JOB (040423,495),RRP,CLASS=T,MSGCLASS=X,MSGLEVEL=(1,1), > JOB05572 > // NOTIFY=,TYPRUN=COPY > > -- JES2 JOB STATISTICS -- > > 4 CARDS READ > >11 SYSOUT PRINT RECORDS > > 0 SYSOUT PUNCH RECORDS > > 0 SYSOUT SPOOL KBYTES > > 0.00 MINUTES EXECUTION TIME > > J E S 2 J O B L O G -- S Y S T E M Z O S > 2 > -- N O D E N 1 > > 13.29.19 JOB05572 TUESDAY, 16 JUN 2020 > > 13.29.19 JOB05572 IRR010I USERID RRP IS ASSIGNED TO THIS JOB. > > > The information contained in this message is confidential, protected > from disclosure and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this > message is not the intended recipient or an employee or agent > responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you > are hereby notified that any disclosure, distribution, copying, or any > action taken or action omitted in reliance on it, is strictly > prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this > communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to > this message and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic > or hard copy format. Thank you. > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN The information contained in this message is confidential, protected from disclosure and may be legally privileged. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure,
