Re: Fwd: Apache Spark on z listserver or forum?

[Cheryl Watson]

Hi Roger,

I'd like to mention a web page that we're hosting on our website specifically 
for Apache Spark on z/OS for SMF analysis.  We 've just started it, but have 
Rocket's and IBM's support to host sample code and presentations.  We'll be 
adding a forum or listserver some time soon.  Here's the link: 
http://watsonwalker.com/software/watson-walker-spark-zos-support/.

Best regards,
Cheryl

Cheryl Watson
Watson & Walker, Inc.
www.watsonwalker.com


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Subject: Re: Fwd: Apache Spark on z listserver or forum?

On Fri, 6 Jan 2017 16:50:01 -0500, Erin Farr <ef...@us.ibm.com> wrote:

>>
>> Hi,
>> Our site is currently in the very early stages of dabbling with 
>> Apache Spark on z and was wondering if there is a Listserver or Forum 
>> specifically for Apache Spark on z.
>>
>> Thanks, Roger
>
>Are you asking about Spark on z/OS, or on Linux on z?
>Regardless, I don't know of any forum specific to Spark on z (z/OS nor 
>Linux on z.) I'm development team lead for Spark on z/OS.  I'm willing 
>to investigate setting one up for Spark on z/OS if folks are 
>interested.
>
For us, it will be Spark on z/OS..

Roger

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Re: Fwd: Apache Spark on z listserver or forum?

[David Crayford]

On 8/04/2017 1:16 AM, Tony Harminc wrote:

On 7 April 2017 at 09:57, David Crayford  wrote:

I wish IBM would start to embrace Stack Overflow a little bit more as the
user experience is far superior to DeveloperWorks both in terms of UX and
effeciency.

I find mailing lists (like this one!) offer by far the best user
experience. I use the mail client I am familiar with, rather than
having to learn the quirks of yet another forum service, I keep my own
easily searchable copies of what I want, I can categorize and flag
them as I please and I'm not subject to some provider's idea of how
things should look, when and how the UI should change, how long things
should be kept, and so on.


All good points but forums like SO have their advantages. User voting 
and ranking of answers being the most important. If somebody asks a 
question on here
I have to trawl through the thread and cherry pick the good answers. 
Tags and links to related questions are a close second. I like using 
markdown for code snippets and
links. It's easy to search for answers. I've been doing a fair bit of 
server side JavaScript programming in Node.js an SO is a one stop shop. 
It's got to the stage now where
buying a book on programming is a waste of money when there is such easy 
access to experts only a click away. The value of IBMMAIN is of course 
it's members, the
high quality of the experts who frequent the list. But IMO if you 
shifted them all over to a forum like SO it would be a better user 
experience.



And a mailing list is not subject to monetization and/or censorship by
whoever owns and runs it.

Tony H.

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Fw: Apache Spark on z listserver or forum?

[Erin Farr]

> I wish IBM would start to embrace Stack Overflow a little bit more as
> the user experience is far superior to DeveloperWorks both in terms of
> UX and effeciency.

Hi David,
   I had considered your earlier post.  I went with DeveloperWorks based on
some direct feedback I received from customers.  Admittedly, Spark, by
nature of being open source and supported on multiple platforms, is hard to
contain to any one forum.  Thankfully internet search engines help with
that.

Thanks,
Erin
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Re: Apache Spark on z listserver or forum?

[Linda]

Hi Tony,

I completely agree. 

Linda

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 7, 2017, at 10:16 AM, Tony Harminc  wrote:
> 
>> On 7 April 2017 at 09:57, David Crayford  wrote:
>> I wish IBM would start to embrace Stack Overflow a little bit more as the
>> user experience is far superior to DeveloperWorks both in terms of UX and
>> effeciency.
> 
> I find mailing lists (like this one!) offer by far the best user
> experience. I use the mail client I am familiar with, rather than
> having to learn the quirks of yet another forum service, I keep my own
> easily searchable copies of what I want, I can categorize and flag
> them as I please and I'm not subject to some provider's idea of how
> things should look, when and how the UI should change, how long things
> should be kept, and so on.
> 
> And a mailing list is not subject to monetization and/or censorship by
> whoever owns and runs it.
> 
> Tony H.
> 
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Re: Fwd: Apache Spark on z listserver or forum?

[Tony Harminc]

On 7 April 2017 at 09:57, David Crayford  wrote:
> I wish IBM would start to embrace Stack Overflow a little bit more as the
> user experience is far superior to DeveloperWorks both in terms of UX and
> effeciency.

I find mailing lists (like this one!) offer by far the best user
experience. I use the mail client I am familiar with, rather than
having to learn the quirks of yet another forum service, I keep my own
easily searchable copies of what I want, I can categorize and flag
them as I please and I'm not subject to some provider's idea of how
things should look, when and how the UI should change, how long things
should be kept, and so on.

And a mailing list is not subject to monetization and/or censorship by
whoever owns and runs it.

Tony H.

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Re: Fwd: Apache Spark on z listserver or forum?

[David Crayford]

On 7/04/2017 9:50 PM, Erin Farr wrote:

Hi,
 Our site is currently in the very early stages of dabbling with
Apache Spark on z and was wondering if there is a Listserver or Forum
specifically for Apache Spark on z.

Thanks, Roger

We now have a forum on DeveloperWorks.  Tag questions with zos-spark.
The link is here:
https://developer.ibm.com/answers/topics/zos-spark/

(sending this to list server this time)


I wish IBM would start to embrace Stack Overflow a little bit more as 
the user experience is far superior to DeveloperWorks both in terms of 
UX and effeciency.




Thanks,
Erin
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Spark
ef...@us.ibm.com  (845) 435-1966  (IBM tieline) 295-1966


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Fwd: Apache Spark on z listserver or forum?

[Erin Farr]

>
> Hi,
> Our site is currently in the very early stages of dabbling with
> Apache Spark on z and was wondering if there is a Listserver or Forum
> specifically for Apache Spark on z.
>
> Thanks, Roger

We now have a forum on DeveloperWorks.  Tag questions with zos-spark.
The link is here:
https://developer.ibm.com/answers/topics/zos-spark/

(sending this to list server this time)

Thanks,
Erin
__
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Spark
ef...@us.ibm.com  (845) 435-1966  (IBM tieline) 295-1966


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Re: Apache Spark on z listserver or forum?

[David S.]

Saw this in the LinkedIn "Performance & Optimization News..." group:
http://linkd.in/2i03y7v - "Spark Analytics on the Mainframe
Interesting article by Stephen D. Bartlett at the Clipper Group about
running Spark on the mainframe: IBM z Systems Get a Big Charge Out of Spark
Analytics."

Roger Lowe wrote:
> Our site is currently in the very early stages of dabbling with
> Apache Spark on z and was wondering if there is a Listserver
> or Forum specifically for Apache Spark on z.

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Re: Fwd: Apache Spark on z listserver or forum?

[Bill Woodger]

StackOverflow and other StackExchange sites (like SuperUser) are Question and 
Answer sites. That doesn't mean they don't work, it means they are different. 
They are not a Forum, nor a Mailing List. On SO you'd ask about programming. On 
SU about setting up software. You'd get answers. Which are specific, concrete, 
answers. Comments on questions and answers can be made (once you have 50 
reputation points) to elicit more information or make the speculative "Did you 
read...?".

The arrangement is "community regulated" with Moderators in addition.

A huge advantage (I'd hope it would be) for Apache Spark is that some 
developers of Spark-for-elsewhere attend and are active contributors.

It could work very well, but you have to remember (and be aware of first) the 
rules, for both asking and answering. It is not anything like 
IBM-MAIN-just-with-fancier-stuff.

For developers of a product, stating affiliation in an answer (you can also 
mention in your "profile") is always good, and at times mandatory. Questions on 
IBM's implementation of Spark will be very welcome, and will have a natural 
tendency to "promote". Outright promotion is problematic. Being clear with 
affiliation helps around the borders.


On Sat, 7 Jan 2017 11:16:09 +0800, David Crayford  wrote:

>>> For us, it will be Spark on z/OS..
>> Glad to hear it!  Sounds like you maybe have some questions.  Feel free to
>> mail me directly (ef...@us.ibm.com), or post here until I see what I can
>> get set up for a Spark-z/OS-specific mailing list.
>
>Why not just use StackOverflow? IBM already use SO for WAS Libery
>questions to good effect. IMO, SO is far superior to mailing list
>servers, especially for searching for answers.
>
>
>> Thanks,
>> Erin
>> ef...@us.ibm.com
>>
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Re: Fwd: Apache Spark on z listserver or forum?

[David Crayford]

For us, it will be Spark on z/OS..

Glad to hear it!  Sounds like you maybe have some questions.  Feel free to
mail me directly (ef...@us.ibm.com), or post here until I see what I can
get set up for a Spark-z/OS-specific mailing list.


Why not just use StackOverflow? IBM already use SO for WAS Libery 
questions to good effect. IMO, SO is far superior to mailing list 
servers, especially for searching for answers.




Thanks,
Erin
ef...@us.ibm.com

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Re: Fwd: Apache Spark on z listserver or forum?

[Roger Lowe]

On Fri, 6 Jan 2017 19:08:53 -0500, Erin Farr  wrote:

>>> Are you asking about Spark on z/OS, or on Linux on z?
>>> Regardless, I don't know of any forum specific to Spark on z (z/OS nor
>Linux on z.)
>>> I'm development team lead for Spark on z/OS.  I'm willing to investigate
>setting one up for Spark on z/OS if folks are interested.
>
>> For us, it will be Spark on z/OS..
>
>Glad to hear it!  Sounds like you maybe have some questions.  Feel free to
>mail me directly (ef...@us.ibm.com), or post here until I see what I can
>get set up for a Spark-z/OS-specific mailing list.
>
Thanks Erin - yes, we do have some questions, so we will email you directly for 
the time being.

Roger

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Re: Fwd: Apache Spark on z listserver or forum?

[Erin Farr]

>> Are you asking about Spark on z/OS, or on Linux on z?
>> Regardless, I don't know of any forum specific to Spark on z (z/OS nor
Linux on z.)
>> I'm development team lead for Spark on z/OS.  I'm willing to investigate
setting one up for Spark on z/OS if folks are interested.

> For us, it will be Spark on z/OS..

Glad to hear it!  Sounds like you maybe have some questions.  Feel free to
mail me directly (ef...@us.ibm.com), or post here until I see what I can
get set up for a Spark-z/OS-specific mailing list.

Thanks,
Erin
ef...@us.ibm.com

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Re: Fwd: Apache Spark on z listserver or forum?

[Roger Lowe]

On Fri, 6 Jan 2017 16:50:01 -0500, Erin Farr  wrote:

>>
>> Hi,
>> Our site is currently in the very early stages of dabbling with
>> Apache Spark on z and was wondering if there is a Listserver or Forum
>> specifically for Apache Spark on z.
>>
>> Thanks, Roger
>
>Are you asking about Spark on z/OS, or on Linux on z?
>Regardless, I don't know of any forum specific to Spark on z (z/OS nor
>Linux on z.)
>I'm development team lead for Spark on z/OS.  I'm willing to investigate
>setting one up for Spark on z/OS if folks are interested.
>
For us, it will be Spark on z/OS..

Roger

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Re: Fwd: Apache Spark on z listserver or forum?

[Erin Farr]

>
> Hi,
> Our site is currently in the very early stages of dabbling with
> Apache Spark on z and was wondering if there is a Listserver or Forum
> specifically for Apache Spark on z.
>
> Thanks, Roger

Are you asking about Spark on z/OS, or on Linux on z?
Regardless, I don't know of any forum specific to Spark on z (z/OS nor
Linux on z.)
I'm development team lead for Spark on z/OS.  I'm willing to investigate
setting one up for Spark on z/OS if folks are interested.

Thanks,
Erin Farr
ef...@us.ibm.com

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Apache Spark on z listserver or forum?

[Roger Lowe]

Hi,
   Our site is currently in the very early stages of dabbling with Apache Spark 
on z and was wondering if there is a Listserver or Forum specifically for 
Apache Spark on z.

Thanks, Roger

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