Re: FTP documentation whines
Done. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Susan Shumway Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2020 8:17 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: FTP documentation whines Thanks, Charles. I'll let the content owners know to watch for it. https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.4.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r4.e0zc100/mhvrcfs.htm -Sue Shumway On 4/20/2020 1:41 PM, Charles Mills wrote: > RCF. I am so annoyed I can't type. > > Heck, the implementation is one thing! Don't get started. But I would just > like to *know* what they implemented. > > Charles > > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin > Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 10:08 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: FTP documentation whines > > On Mon, 20 Apr 2020 09:43:06 -0700, Charles Mills wrote: > >> Am I off-base here? Am I missing something? I intend to submit some RFC's >> unless you folks tell me I am missing something. >> > As in updating RFC 959? Probably not. > >> https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.4.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r4.halu001/entrftpenv.htm >> > I suspect MVS FTP antedates OMVS, probably using the > Pascal/GIVESOCKET/TAKESOCKET interfaces. > > And such misbehaviors as: > LCD followed by > LPWD shows correct working directory > ! PWD gets it wrong. > > Half-hearted implementation. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- Sue Shumway z/OS Project Lead and Client Advocate IBM Poughkeepsie chale...@us.ibm.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: FTP documentation whines
Thanks, Charles. I'll let the content owners know to watch for it. https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.4.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r4.e0zc100/mhvrcfs.htm -Sue Shumway On 4/20/2020 1:41 PM, Charles Mills wrote: RCF. I am so annoyed I can't type. Heck, the implementation is one thing! Don't get started. But I would just like to *know* what they implemented. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 10:08 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: FTP documentation whines On Mon, 20 Apr 2020 09:43:06 -0700, Charles Mills wrote: Am I off-base here? Am I missing something? I intend to submit some RFC's unless you folks tell me I am missing something. As in updating RFC 959? Probably not. https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.4.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r4.halu001/entrftpenv.htm I suspect MVS FTP antedates OMVS, probably using the Pascal/GIVESOCKET/TAKESOCKET interfaces. And such misbehaviors as: LCD followed by LPWD shows correct working directory ! PWD gets it wrong. Half-hearted implementation. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- Sue Shumway z/OS Project Lead and Client Advocate IBM Poughkeepsie chale...@us.ibm.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: FTP documentation whines
RCF. I am so annoyed I can't type. Heck, the implementation is one thing! Don't get started. But I would just like to *know* what they implemented. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 10:08 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: FTP documentation whines On Mon, 20 Apr 2020 09:43:06 -0700, Charles Mills wrote: >Am I off-base here? Am I missing something? I intend to submit some RFC's >unless you folks tell me I am missing something. > As in updating RFC 959? Probably not. >https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.4.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r4.halu001/entrftpenv.htm > I suspect MVS FTP antedates OMVS, probably using the Pascal/GIVESOCKET/TAKESOCKET interfaces. And such misbehaviors as: LCD followed by LPWD shows correct working directory ! PWD gets it wrong. Half-hearted implementation. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: FTP documentation whines
On Mon, 20 Apr 2020 09:43:06 -0700, Charles Mills wrote: >Am I off-base here? Am I missing something? I intend to submit some RFC's >unless you folks tell me I am missing something. > As in updating RFC 959? Probably not. >https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.4.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r4.halu001/entrftpenv.htm > I suspect MVS FTP antedates OMVS, probably using the Pascal/GIVESOCKET/TAKESOCKET interfaces. And such misbehaviors as: LCD followed by LPWD shows correct working directory ! PWD gets it wrong. Half-hearted implementation. -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: FTP documentation whines
Correction: the lack of documentation for the source of "FTP.DATA" in batch is here: https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.4.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r4.ha lu001/chgsite.htm Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Monday, April 20, 2020 9:43 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: FTP documentation whines Am I off-base here? Am I missing something? I intend to submit some RFC's unless you folks tell me I am missing something. https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.4.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r4.ha lu001/entrftpenv.htm Under the -f switch, gives the search order for "FTP.DATA" under UNIX and under TSO. What about for a batch job? (And no, it does not seem to be covered in "Submitting FTP requests in batch" either.) https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.4.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r4.ha lu001/ftpreq.htm "You can add comments to the command input file using the REXX program that stacks the commands." Huh? What does Rexx command stacking have to do with using FTP in batch? "When a user ID, password, or password phrase is expected (including passwords that are required for read or write access to files or disks), the entire line must be blank." What? Where would you code the password then? I *guess* they mean that if you want FTP to prompt interactively for the password, the entire line must be blank, including the absence of comments? https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.4.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r4.ha lu001/subconcat.htm "If concatenated files contain both sequenced and unsequenced input command files, each file must have a semicolon (;) in the first data column." Wouldn't that make every line a comment? Looking at https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.4.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r4.ha lz001/ftpclientseqnumsupport.dita#secnum I guess they mean "in the first data column of the first record" but looking at the examples I am not perfectly clear on how it works. It appears that a comment in the first record indicates both the presence and the absence of sequence numbers. Charles -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
FTP documentation whines
Am I off-base here? Am I missing something? I intend to submit some RFC's unless you folks tell me I am missing something. https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.4.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r4.ha lu001/entrftpenv.htm Under the -f switch, gives the search order for "FTP.DATA" under UNIX and under TSO. What about for a batch job? (And no, it does not seem to be covered in "Submitting FTP requests in batch" either.) https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.4.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r4.ha lu001/ftpreq.htm "You can add comments to the command input file using the REXX program that stacks the commands." Huh? What does Rexx command stacking have to do with using FTP in batch? "When a user ID, password, or password phrase is expected (including passwords that are required for read or write access to files or disks), the entire line must be blank." What? Where would you code the password then? I *guess* they mean that if you want FTP to prompt interactively for the password, the entire line must be blank, including the absence of comments? https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.4.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r4.ha lu001/subconcat.htm "If concatenated files contain both sequenced and unsequenced input command files, each file must have a semicolon (;) in the first data column." Wouldn't that make every line a comment? Looking at https://www.ibm.com/support/knowledgecenter/SSLTBW_2.4.0/com.ibm.zos.v2r4.ha lz001/ftpclientseqnumsupport.dita#secnum I guess they mean "in the first data column of the first record" but looking at the examples I am not perfectly clear on how it works. It appears that a comment in the first record indicates both the presence and the absence of sequence numbers. Charles -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
