Re: How Programming Affects Your Brain: 3 Big Truths According to Science

2018-05-02 Thread Seymour J Metz 
Also seems unaware of the difference between coding and programming.


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Funny, didn't mention effects on brain of learning APL or assembler.

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Re: How Programming Affects Your Brain: 3 Big Truths According to Science

2018-05-02 Thread Seymour J Metz 
SNOBOL and ALGOL were good languages for their day. How about FORTRANSIT, GATE 
and IPL-V?

Or take the Eunix shell - please!


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What about SNOBOL or ALGOL?

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On 5/1/2018 11:55 AM, Gabe Goldberg wrote:
> Funny, didn't mention effects on brain of learning APL or assembler.


Or FORTH or m4

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Re: How Programming Affects Your Brain: 3 Big Truths According to Science

2018-05-02 Thread Kirk Wolf 
I don't give this article and the MRI study on which it is based much
credence.
Dijkstra was a great computer scientist, but I doubt that his iconic quotes
here are based on real data.  His comments on COBOL and Basic might have
been influenced by his work on Algol, which he of course (as do I) found to
be far superior :-).

IBM did an extensive study in 1990-1992, where they evaluated how well a
large sample of programmers who were taught new OO languages (C++ and
Smalltalk).
A large positive correlation to success was whether the student had
knowledge of a variety of programming languages and skills.Duh.

https://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=141944

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IBM paper/study and I worked in the instructor group that conducted it.

PPS>  My first programming languages (at university) were Fortran, APL,
PL/1, Assembler.

On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 12:55 PM, Gabe Goldberg  wrote:

> https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/how-programming-affects-brain/
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> Funny, didn't mention effects on brain of learning APL or assembler.
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Re: How Programming Affects Your Brain: 3 Big Truths According to Science

2018-05-02 Thread Tomasz Rola 
On Tue, May 01, 2018 at 12:40:09PM -0600, Jack J. Woehr wrote:
> On 5/1/2018 11:55 AM, Gabe Goldberg wrote:
> >Funny, didn't mention effects on brain of learning APL or assembler.
> 
> 
> Or FORTH or m4

I am yet to see the article, but have they mentioned LISP in any of
its incarnations?

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Re: How Programming Affects Your Brain: 3 Big Truths According to Science

2018-05-02 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht 
Steve Smith wrote:

>> This one's almost certain to cause brain damage: Malbolge 
>> 


Malbolge was specifically designed to be almost impossible to use, via a 
counter-intuitive 'crazy operation', base-three arithmetic, and self-altering 
code. 


I don't like "self-altering code", but that is just me.


>> I'd advise against clicking that link until Friday afternoon or maybe never.

Too late. Got serious brain damage so early in May. ;-)


Pew, Curtis G wrote:

>Don’t forget INTERCAL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INTERCAL

I can't 'IGNORE' you. You 'FORGOT' to say 'PLEASE'. Seriously. ;-)

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Re: How Programming Affects Your Brain: 3 Big Truths According to Science

2018-05-01 Thread Pew, Curtis G 
On May 1, 2018, at 5:50 PM, Steve Smith  wrote:
> 
> This one's almost certain to cause brain damage: Malbolge
> 
> I'd advise against clicking that link until Friday afternoon or maybe never.

Don’t forget INTERCAL: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INTERCAL

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Re: How Programming Affects Your Brain: 3 Big Truths According to Science

2018-05-01 Thread Steve Smith 
Perl - all things to all people (well, sort of).

This one's almost certain to cause brain damage: Malbolge

I'd advise against clicking that link until Friday afternoon or maybe never.


On Tue, May 1, 2018 at 3:36 PM, Wayne Bickerdike  wrote:

> Or RPG or Mantis or IDEAL or Natural or PL/1.
>
> I OR'd these to get the best language...


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Re: How Programming Affects Your Brain: 3 Big Truths According to Science

2018-05-01 Thread Wayne Bickerdike 
Or RPG or Mantis or IDEAL or Natural or PL/1.

I OR'd these to get the best language...

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> Or RPG or Mantis or IDEAL or Natural or PL/1.
>
> On Wed, May 2, 2018 at 4:42 AM, PINION, RICHARD W. <
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>> What about SNOBOL or ALGOL?
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Re: How Programming Affects Your Brain: 3 Big Truths According to Science

2018-05-01 Thread Wayne Bickerdike 
Or RPG or Mantis or IDEAL or Natural or PL/1.

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> What about SNOBOL or ALGOL?
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Re: How Programming Affects Your Brain: 3 Big Truths According to Science

2018-05-01 Thread PINION, RICHARD W. 
What about SNOBOL or ALGOL?

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Re: How Programming Affects Your Brain: 3 Big Truths According to Science

2018-05-01 Thread Jack J. Woehr 

On 5/1/2018 11:55 AM, Gabe Goldberg wrote:

Funny, didn't mention effects on brain of learning APL or assembler.



Or FORTH or m4

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How Programming Affects Your Brain: 3 Big Truths According to Science

2018-05-01 Thread Gabe Goldberg 

https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/how-programming-affects-brain/

Funny, didn't mention effects on brain of learning APL or assembler.

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