Re: How do I compare CPU times on two machines?

2019-12-16 Thread Charles Mills
: Re: How do I compare CPU times on two machines? Yeah, that's where I am heading. At the moment I don't have the same data on both machines. I thought this question was going to be easy. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.

Re: How do I compare CPU times on two machines?

2019-12-15 Thread Charles Mills
essage- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Scott Chapman Sent: Sunday, December 15, 2019 6:02 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: How do I compare CPU times on two machines? >> The numbers below (from IBM.com) do not seem to support what you

Re: How do I compare CPU times on two machines?

2019-12-15 Thread Charles Mills
, December 15, 2019 1:02 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: How do I compare CPU times on two machines? To a first approximation, run the same job on both and compare. IBM has a synthetic benchmark, and you can use those numbers as long as you understand that your workload may not giv

Re: How do I compare CPU times on two machines?

2019-12-15 Thread Seymour J Metz
metz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Charles Mills Sent: Friday, December 13, 2019 3:26 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: How do I compare CPU times on two machines? I know this is a pretty basic question. I can research it but I am afraid that if I mis

Re: How do I compare CPU times on two machines?

2019-12-15 Thread Scott Chapman
>> The numbers below (from IBM.com) do not seem to support what you are saying >> however: "if you're trying to convert CPU time between machines, the ratio >> of any of SUs, MSUs, or PCI will be pretty much equally "fine"." The ratio >> of the PCI's of the two machines is about eight-to-one but

Re: How do I compare CPU times on two machines?

2019-12-14 Thread Mike Schwab
question: how > do I compare CPU times on two different machines? > > Charles > > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Scott Chapman > Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2019 4:48 AM > To: IBM

Re: How do I compare CPU times on two machines?

2019-12-14 Thread Charles Mills
Brennan Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2019 10:18 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: How do I compare CPU times on two machines? What about IBM's zPCR Windows program? That uses a base performance number from an old z9EC as a reference, coming up with numbers which look like s

Re: How do I compare CPU times on two machines?

2019-12-14 Thread Tom Brennan
mpare CPU times on two different machines? Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Scott Chapman Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2019 4:48 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: How do I compare CPU times on two machi

Re: How do I compare CPU times on two machines?

2019-12-14 Thread Charles Mills
CPU times on two different machines? Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Scott Chapman Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2019 4:48 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: How do I compare CPU times on two machines?

Re: How do I compare CPU times on two machines?

2019-12-14 Thread Scott Chapman
SUs, MSU, PCI (IBM MIPS) ratings are all just different magnitudes of the same number. What I mean is that they all are calculated from the same LSPR tests and exist in relatively fixed ratios to each other. There may be some slight variations because (for example) MSUs and PCIs are quoted in wh

Re: How do I compare CPU times on two machines?

2019-12-13 Thread Phil Smith III
I don't think service units necessarily work, since there's the "technology dividend", where IBM admits (heck, touts) that 1 MSU on generation n is capable of more work than 1 MSU on generation n-1. They don't always do this, but have more than once. .phsiii

Re: How do I compare CPU times on two machines?

2019-12-13 Thread ITschak Mugzach
List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of ITschak Mugzach > Sent: Friday, December 13, 2019 12:57 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: How do I compare CPU times on two machines? > > I would convert CPU to service units, which can be compared between > different

Re: How do I compare CPU times on two machines?

2019-12-13 Thread ITschak Mugzach
> Charles > > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Charles Mills > Sent: Friday, December 13, 2019 12:27 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: How do I compare CPU times on two machines? >

Re: How do I compare CPU times on two machines?

2019-12-13 Thread Charles Mills
I doing that correctly? Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of ITschak Mugzach Sent: Friday, December 13, 2019 12:57 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: How do I compare CPU times on two machines? I would

Re: How do I compare CPU times on two machines?

2019-12-13 Thread Charles Mills
UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Friday, December 13, 2019 12:27 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: How do I compare CPU times on two machines? I know this is a pretty basic question. I can research it but I am afraid that if I miss one detail I could be off by an order of magnitude.

Re: How do I compare CPU times on two machines?

2019-12-13 Thread ITschak Mugzach
I would convert CPU to service units, which can be compared between different machines. Service units are cpu depended. You need to multiply CPU by machine service unit factor. you can find this value in the processor tables. ITschak On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 10:27 PM Charles Mills wrote: > I kno

How do I compare CPU times on two machines?

2019-12-13 Thread Charles Mills
I know this is a pretty basic question. I can research it but I am afraid that if I miss one detail I could be off by an order of magnitude. How do I compare CPU seconds on two different machines -- in this case a z196 model M49 and a z114 model M10? This is not like a huge purchase decision benc