Re: MVS ROUTE command is a bad influence on DB2 ERLY code

2013-08-15 Thread Peter Relson
I checked with the consoles folks. Walt's surmise is correct. The command will usually run in master or console address space (some do run elsewhere) , but it is sent over the SSI in the space that created/issued it (whether by MGCR(E) or via SDSF). A ROUTEd command will run in the system

Re: MVS ROUTE command is a bad influence on DB2 ERLY code

2013-08-15 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In ofe0653aee.3d63bcdb-on85257bc8.0047b8fd-85257bc8.00480...@us.ibm.com, on 08/15/2013 at 09:05 AM, Peter Relson rel...@us.ibm.com said: whether by MGCR(E) or via SDSF Doesn't SDSF issue an MGCR[E] to process /cmd? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz, SysProg and JOAT Atid/2

Re: MVS ROUTE command is a bad influence on DB2 ERLY code

2013-08-14 Thread Walt Farrell
On Tue, 13 Aug 2013 19:17:49 -0400, Peter Relson rel...@us.ibm.com wrote: Route does little more than send the command to another system. On that system that command may be processed by some number of system address spaces (such as master, consoles). Each will use whatever its lnklst is. I don't

Re: MVS ROUTE command is a bad influence on DB2 ERLY code

2013-08-14 Thread Jim Mooney
It's surprising to me that simply routing the command causes a different linklst to be used (guessing the old one). It should be surprising. It is not possible. With all due respect and my humble thanks for your input, for the record, this is an inaccurate blanket statement. Someone may see

Re: MVS ROUTE command is a bad influence on DB2 ERLY code

2013-08-14 Thread Jim Mooney
...I'm going to make a guess that the OP is using SDSF to issue the commands Yes, all commands were done in SDSF. -Jim -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu

Re: MVS ROUTE command is a bad influence on DB2 ERLY code

2013-08-14 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In of5b623f4f.38249aee-on85257bc6.007f6049-85257bc6.00800...@us.ibm.com, on 08/13/2013 at 07:17 PM, Peter Relson rel...@us.ibm.com said: It's surprising to me that simply routing the command causes a different linklst to be used (guessing the old one). It should be surprising. It is not

Re: MVS ROUTE command is a bad influence on DB2 ERLY code

2013-08-13 Thread Peter Relson
It's surprising to me that simply routing the command causes a different linklst to be used (guessing the old one). It should be surprising. It is not possible. Route does little more than send the command to another system. On that system that command may be processed by some number of

Re: MVS ROUTE command is a bad influence on DB2 ERLY code

2013-08-12 Thread Jim Mooney
Thanks, Peter, The reason I didn't include that detail is because I didn't think it was relevant to the question: Why does ROUTE change the results of -DB2T,REFRESH,EARLY. This command executes on the same lpar after being ROUTed from a remote lpar. It's surprising to me that simply routing

Re: MVS ROUTE command is a bad influence on DB2 ERLY code

2013-08-12 Thread Jim Mooney
Sorry, I just noticed that I left out the commands we issued to STOP DB2 in my scenario. There were issued 1) before the linklst UPDATE (that's why I said they were terminating), and 2) before each REFRESH,EARLY command. And of course, you can assume START DB2 commands were issued.

Re: MVS ROUTE command is a bad influence on DB2 ERLY code

2013-08-09 Thread Peter Relson
It would have been helpful to know what sort of approach you were taking to create a new linklist. If you simply defined one and activated it, then it would depend on whether you activated it before or after the DB2 space started. Unless you did an UPDATE in which case nothing can be stated or

Re: MVS ROUTE command is a bad influence on DB2 ERLY code

2013-08-06 Thread Lizette Koehler
Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of nitz-...@gmx.net Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 10:39 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: MVS ROUTE command is a bad influence on DB2 ERLY code The command char is registered with the subsystem

Re: MVS ROUTE command is a bad influence on DB2 ERLY code

2013-08-06 Thread Lizette Koehler
. Lizette -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of nitz-...@gmx.net Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 10:39 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: MVS ROUTE command is a bad influence on DB2 ERLY code The command char

Re: MVS ROUTE command is a bad influence on DB2 ERLY code

2013-08-05 Thread Jim Mooney
Thanks Don and Elardus for your replies. I don't get a RACf msg during any of this, so I don't think it's involved. We have a shared RACF DB. I use the same logon id with the same authority on both lpars. I just get different results when I issue it locally. As far as automation goes, we do

Re: MVS ROUTE command is a bad influence on DB2 ERLY code

2013-08-05 Thread Jerry Whitteridge
@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Jim Mooney Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 2:08 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: MVS ROUTE command is a bad influence on DB2 ERLY code Thanks Don and Elardus for your replies. I don't get a RACf msg during any of this, so I don't think it's involved. We have a shared

Re: MVS ROUTE command is a bad influence on DB2 ERLY code

2013-08-05 Thread Jim Mooney
Thanks very much for the input. I can't get to our DR system today, but I suspect it's similar to this, which I get on our prod system: D OPDATA IEE603I 16.32.21 OPDATA DISPLAY 529 PREFIX OWNER SYSTEM

Re: MVS ROUTE command is a bad influence on DB2 ERLY code

2013-08-05 Thread Jerry Whitteridge
] On Behalf Of Jim Mooney Sent: Monday, August 05, 2013 4:37 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: MVS ROUTE command is a bad influence on DB2 ERLY code Thanks very much for the input. I can't get to our DR system today, but I suspect it's similar to this, which I get on our prod system: D

Re: MVS ROUTE command is a bad influence on DB2 ERLY code

2013-08-05 Thread nitz-...@gmx.net
The command char is registered with the subsystem definition - I suspect (but don't know) that when you look at the OPDATA between the 2 systems (run the command on each ) you will see a difference. Why Route gets involved is each system is processing the command according to what is

Re: MVS ROUTE command is a bad influence on DB2 ERLY code

2013-08-04 Thread Don Imbriale
Is -DB2T a pseudo-command prefix intercepted and processed by an automation package? If so, verify the details in automation to determine the actual routing and scope of the command. - Don Imbriale On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 12:17 PM, Jim Mooney jmoo...@princesscruises.comwrote: Hello list; We

Re: MVS ROUTE command is a bad influence on DB2 ERLY code

2013-08-03 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
Jim Mooney wrote: We are mystified by this, so I'd like to see if anyone else has had a similar observation. I have not experienced this specific ROUTE problem, but see my comments below. (I have seen queer ROUTE problems, but that was solved by going in one SYSPLEX and having ONE shared RACF

MVS ROUTE command is a bad influence on DB2 ERLY code

2013-08-02 Thread Jim Mooney
Hello list; We are mystified by this, so I'd like to see if anyone else has had a similar observation. We have 2 active zOS113 lpars on our DR machine. DB2 V9R1m0 is only running on one lpar. We were trying to update DB2 ERLY code by inserting a dataset into a new linklist and activating it.