Yep, same here. We were just voting on case commonality in the keyboard
universe.
In a message dated 1/14/2014 8:19:43 P.M. Central Standard Time,
jwgli...@gmail.com writes:
Both operations of course use the same tab settings.
Some have asserted that tab characters should be removed from source.
However, for makefiles, according to the GNU Make Manual (for version
3.80) You need to put a tab character at the beginning of every
command line.
This has always struck me as lunacy, but it's an example of the IT
Dale Miller wrote:
Some have asserted that tab characters should be removed from source.
Good assertation.
However, for makefiles, according to the GNU Make Manual (for version 3.80)
You need to put a tab character at the beginning of every command line.
Why? Better regular expression
On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 2:02 AM, Dale Miller dalelmil...@comcast.netwrote:
Some have asserted that tab characters should be removed from source.
However, for makefiles, according to the GNU Make Manual (for version 3.80)
You need to put a tab character at the beginning of every command line.
On Wed, 15 Jan 2014 07:38:03 -0600, John McKown wrote:
On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 2:02 AM, Dale Miller wrote:
Some have asserted that tab characters should be removed from source.
However, for makefiles, according to the GNU Make Manual (for version 3.80)
You need to put a tab character at the
On Jan 15, 2014, at 7:38 AM, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com wrote:
Not just GNU make, but z/OS UNIX make as well. I can proffer an possible
reason. Remember from whence UNIX came. The original terminals were serial
terminals connected via RS-232. The tab key, then as now, was close
I think we may have beaten this subject nearly to death, Charles, but I
think I'd use Tab instead of tab.
Check several keyboards to see what they say on the key labels. On this
particular keyboard I'm using at this moment the Tab key is labeled
tab (lowercase). But that's because it's an Apple
question - how display a tab character?
I think we may have beaten this subject nearly to death, Charles, but I
think I'd use Tab instead of tab.
Check several keyboards to see what they say on the key labels. On this
particular keyboard I'm using at this moment the Tab key is labeled tab
Three HP's...tab -|,tab -|,Tab -|,
ISPF has a good section on Hardware vs software tabs. I go back to the
program drum cards for the 029's . Nice when coding column dependent
languages like COBOL and Fortran. Or data entry for column dependent input.
In a message dated
Oh-oh. Two votes for tab.
Charles
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Subject: Re: Mainframe culture question - how display a tab character
Ed Finnell wrote:
| Three HP's...tab -|,tab -|,Tab -|
On the keyboards I use tabbing is either forward, to the right, or
backward, to the left, depending upon the current status of the case
modal; and the key is labelled
Tab
| —
—|
Both operations of course use the same tab settings.
John
Of Timothy Sipples
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To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Mainframe culture question - how display a tab character?
Do you get 3270 extended attributes to play with -- notably reverse video
-- when WTOing? If so, that'd be darn useful
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Subject: Re: Mainframe culture question - how display a tab character?
On 2014-01-12, at 07:06, John Gilmore wrote:
... [HLASM advocacy redacted.]
I also prefer to use 'µ', 'µµ', 'µµµ', or 'µµ...µ', one or more
instances of the Greek minuscule, to display the positions
In d91559ad-3ca0-4033-a2d6-a6c34ad4f...@comcast.net, on 01/10/2014
at 10:45 PM, Ed Gould edgould1...@comcast.net said:
Somewhere in the far reaches of my memory there was a ZAP to tso EDIT
that worked eg:Label(tab char) br tabchar R15
Why a zap? What is TABSET, chopped liver?
SCRIPT was
In
of0fb78386.d971c375-on88257c5c.00788311-88257c5c.007a9...@sce.com,
on 01/10/2014
at 02:19 PM, Skip Robinson jo.skip.robin...@sce.com said:
To evaluate the existence of an EBCDIC tab character, let's take the
total number of instances in which any member of this list has ever
in their
For those who don't remember AFP there was a DCF Translate x'05' x'15' to
get tabbing on AFP printers.
Hmm or was it the other way? Wish I'd kept the source.
In a message dated 1/13/2014 6:46:23 A.M. Central Standard Time,
shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net writes:
in their career had occasion
I didn't read the question but the answer is ... g
Output is the response to a z/OS console display command. Did Unicode support
for WTO make into z/OS V2R1?
Charles
Composed on a mobile: please excuse my brevity
Timothy Sipples sipp...@sg.ibm.com wrote:
There's a tab symbol glyph at Unicode
The IBM HLASM supports a builtin function called BYTE that permits an
arbitrary character to be defined and introduced into assembled text.
It is 'generic' so that, for example
|nul setc BYTE(0) --nul character, x'00'
|nul setc BYTE(x'00') --nul character
are
On 2014-01-12, at 07:06, John Gilmore wrote:
... [HLASM advocacy redacted.]
I also prefer to use 'µ', 'µµ', 'µµµ', or 'µµ...µ', one or more
instances of the Greek minuscule, to display the positions of such
characters. It is widely available (for use in such constructs as
µsec) but even
In 03f701cf0e3c$d1a371d0$74ea5570$@mcn.org, on 01/10/2014
at 11:47 AM, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org said:
MS Word would say FOO^tBAR.
Have you reported the bug? That should be FOO^9BAR.
Parm2=FOOtabBAR
I'd go with that.
Parm2=FOO^tBAR
That would be flat wrong.
--
Shmuel
In
ofe902f58f.ddd660b4-on88257c5c.006d8c43-88257c5c.006e4...@sce.com,
on 01/10/2014
at 12:04 PM, Skip Robinson jo.skip.robin...@sce.com said:
An intriguing question in view of the absence of tabs in the
conventional EBCDIC character set.
What absence? HT is and always has been '05'X. VT is
In 043101cf0e4c$7944d050$6bce70f0$@mcn.org, on 01/10/2014
at 01:39 PM, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org said:
Both my aging Yellow Card
Yello? That's the new card. HT should be on the older green card as
well. And, in fact, it is: thank you, bitsavers.
--
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz,
In 044601cf0e4d$b4be3a30$1e3aae90$@mcn.org, on 01/10/2014
at 01:48 PM, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org said:
It occurs to me that what may be meant is the absence of
control-character-based formatting in mainframe usage. On UNIX and
Windows systems, fields are often delimited by tabs
Making the
Do you get 3270 extended attributes to play with -- notably reverse video
-- when WTOing? If so, that'd be darn useful.
Timothy Sipples
GMU VCT Architect Executive (Based in Singapore)
E-Mail:
There's a tab symbol glyph at Unicode point U+21E5. It's a glyph consisting
of a rightwards arrow to a bar. Many keyboards with a Tab key include this
symbol as part of the key label. More information here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrow_(symbol)
I missed the first part of the question so
I have a started task that (among many other things) will display its own
parameters, something like
Parm1=WIDGET
Parm2=FOOBAR
At present all of the values it displays are printable characters. Due to an
enhancement it is possible that one of the parameters will contain a
horizontal tab
Mobile
jo.skip.robin...@sce.com
From: Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU,
Date: 01/10/2014 11:48 AM
Subject:Mainframe culture question - how display a tab
character?
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I have a started
On Fri, 10 Jan 2014 12:04:48 -0800, Skip Robinson wrote:
An intriguing question in view of the absence of tabs in the conventional
EBCDIC character set.
??? Isn't 0x05 TAB in all EBCDIC code pages.
My emulator (Vista3270) is pretty rich, but even if
I could somehow type a tab character into
On 1/10/2014 1:17 PM, John Gilmore wrote:
I use the broken-bracket convention, viz., nul, when I need to
display a nul, x'00' in both ASCII and EBCDIC.
We use this convention in our documentation when describing any keyboard
key.
Example: Type your password into the appropriate field and
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Subject: Re: Mainframe culture question - how display a tab character?
An intriguing question in view of the absence of tabs in the conventional
EBCDIC character set. My emulator (Vista3270) is pretty rich, but even if I
could somehow type a tab character into an MVS file, what
: Mainframe culture question - how display a tab character?
An intriguing question in view of the absence of tabs in the conventional
EBCDIC character set. My emulator (Vista3270) is pretty rich, but even if I
could somehow type a tab character into an MVS file, what would z/OS do with
it?
As to your
On 2014-01-10 14:47, Charles Mills wrote:
I have a started task that (among many other things) will display its own
parameters, something like
Parm1=WIDGET
Parm2=FOOBAR
At present all of the values it displays are printable characters. Due to an
enhancement it is possible that one of the
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 12:05 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Mainframe culture question - how display a tab character?
An intriguing question in view of the absence of tabs in the conventional
EBCDIC character set. My emulator (Vista3270) is pretty rich, but even if
I
could
On 1/10/2014 2:19 PM, Skip Robinson wrote:
To evaluate the existence of an EBCDIC tab character, let's take the total
number of instances in which any member of this list has ever in their
career had occasion to code X'05'in a z/OS file for any functional purpose
whatever. (For me, that's +0).
On 11/01/2014 09:19 AM, Skip Robinson wrote:
To evaluate the existence of an EBCDIC tab character, let's take the total
number of instances in which any member of this list has ever in their
career had occasion to code X'05'in a z/OS file for any functional purpose
whatever. (For me, that's +0).
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Date: 01/10/2014 01:49 PM
Subject:Re: Mainframe culture question - how display a tab
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the absence of tabs in the conventional EBCDIC character set
It occurs to me that what may be meant
Most MVS or z/OS programs expect commas between parameters, or blanks.
But if this is a z/Unix program, the tab probably would be expected.
On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 4:05 PM, Gord Tomlin
gt.ibm.li...@actionsoftware.com wrote:
On 2014-01-10 14:47, Charles Mills wrote:
I have a started task that
: Re: Mainframe culture question - how display a tab character?
Most MVS or z/OS programs expect commas between parameters, or blanks.
But if this is a z/Unix program, the tab probably would be expected.
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On Fri, 10 Jan 2014 13:24:08 -0800, Ed Jaffe wrote:
On 1/10/2014 1:17 PM, John Gilmore wrote:
I use the broken-bracket convention, viz., nul, when I need to
display a nul, x'00' in both ASCII and EBCDIC.
We use this convention in our documentation when describing any keyboard
key.
Example:
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Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 3:15 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Mainframe culture question - how display a tab character?
Most MVS or z/OS programs expect commas between parameters, or blanks.
But if this is a z/Unix program, the tab probably
: Mainframe culture question - how display a tab character?
On Fri, 10 Jan 2014 13:24:08 -0800, Ed Jaffe wrote:
On 1/10/2014 1:17 PM, John Gilmore wrote:
I use the broken-bracket convention, viz., nul, when I need to
display a nul, x'00' in both ASCII and EBCDIC.
We use this convention in our
On 10 January 2014 20:09, Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org wrote:
Passed parms? Is that like the cannibal who passed his friend in the woods?
All the wines in this establishment have been personally passed by
the proprietor.
Tony H.
MVS Program Co-Manager
626-302-7535 Office
323-715-0595 Mobile
jo.skip.robin...@sce.com
From: Charles Mills charl...@mcn.org
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU,
Date: 01/10/2014 11:48 AM
Subject:Mainframe culture question - how display a tab
character?
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At 16:17 -0800 on 01/10/2014, Charles Mills wrote about Re: Mainframe
culture question - how display a tab charac:
Just to reiterate before this thread drifts away:
Classic MVS, not z/UNIX, and this is not a delimiter in a parameter file,
this is for a display (note the subject line). How do
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