Re: Migrating Loadlibs from PDSE to PDS?
SSI is very important for projects whose workflows depend on it! -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Ed Jaffe Sent: Saturday, December 9, 2023 9:52 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Migrating Loadlibs from PDSE to PDS? On 12/9/2023 5:24 AM, Steve Estle wrote: It shows SSI which these days useless info (IMHO) but not PO format which is important. They never improve anything without an RFE asking for it. [sigh] -- Phoenix Software International Edward E. Jaffe 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245 https://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ This e-mail message, including any attachments, appended messages and the information contained therein, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not an intended recipient or have otherwise received this email message in error, any use, dissemination, distribution, review, storage or copying of this e-mail message and the information contained therein is strictly prohibited. If you are not an intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of this email message and do not otherwise utilize or retain this email message or any or all of the information contained therein. Although this email message and any attachments or appended messages are believed to be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer system into which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is accepted by the sender for any loss or damage arising in any way from its opening or use. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Migrating Loadlibs from PDSE to PDS?
Hi Steve, Just curious: why are you interested in reverting load libraries from PDSE to PDS? Thanks. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Migrating Loadlibs from PDSE to PDS?
Is REVIEW currently packaged with PDS86 in CBTTAPE file 182. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Peter Vels Sent: Saturday, December 9, 2023 9:18 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Migrating Loadlibs from PDSE to PDS? I recommend Prycroft's REVIEW which displays Program Management version (column V below) SYS1.SIEALNKE Row 1 of 188 Command ===>Scroll ===> CS RealName Alias-Name Size AC AMd At RU V Non-0-EP Save-Timestamp User/Job . ADRDSFSI 5K 11D0 00 A31RN 2 19-05-07 13:50 RV0591PB . CBREFSI 43K AB7A 00 A64 NM RN 42d 38F0 19-05-07 13:47 RV0591PB . CFZR24C 1K 3E8 01 A31 NM RN 2 19-09-25 07:43 WBEMPAX8 . CPOJLNCH 15K 3BC8 01 A31 NM3 d19-05-07 14:04 RV0591PD . CRURRAP SSI=170041079FA0 00 PG2 19-05-07 13:44 RV0591PB . CRURRSV SSI=17004107DF30 00 PG2 19-05-07 13:44 RV0591PB . CSFDLL3X 98K1866C 00 A31 NM RN 3 d19-08-26 15:20 PKCS113 . CSFDLL31122K1E6AC 00 A31 NM RN 3 d19-08-26 15:20 PKCS113 . CSFDLL64121K1E330 00 A64 NM RN 42d19-08-26 15:20 PKCS113 The "42" is actually 4 followed by a superscripted 2. See https://www.prycroft6.com.au/REVIEW/revfaq.html for more details. Peter On Sun, 10 Dec 2023 at 11:37, Seymour J Metz wrote: > IEBCOPY is the right tool for the program objects that can be converted. > There re z/OS facilities that won't work with load modules. > > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי > נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf > of Steve Estle > Sent: Saturday, December 9, 2023 8:24 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Migrating Loadlibs from PDSE to PDS? > > Seasons Greetings all, > > I know this might sound like a strange request, but we are exploring what > if any options there are to migrate load libraries from PDSE (version 1 or > 2) back to traditional basic PDS's. It appears this is highly restricted > based on my experiences trying to perform via IEBCOPY and ISPF 3.3 (which > just involkes IEBCOPY under the covers)? Any thoughts/experiences on ways > to do this or is it just one of those once you are there the "train don't > go in reverse" situations? > > Thanks in advance for any ideas/suggestions. > > Steve Estle > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Migrating Loadlibs from PDSE to PDS?
even bugs!!! Am 09.12.23 um 16:52 schrieb Ed Jaffe: They never improve anything without an RFE asking for it. [sigh] Martin -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Migrating Loadlibs from PDSE to PDS?
I recommend Prycroft's REVIEW which displays Program Management version (column V below) SYS1.SIEALNKE Row 1 of 188 Command ===>Scroll ===> CS RealName Alias-Name Size AC AMd At RU V Non-0-EP Save-Timestamp User/Job . ADRDSFSI 5K 11D0 00 A31RN 2 19-05-07 13:50 RV0591PB . CBREFSI 43K AB7A 00 A64 NM RN 42d 38F0 19-05-07 13:47 RV0591PB . CFZR24C 1K 3E8 01 A31 NM RN 2 19-09-25 07:43 WBEMPAX8 . CPOJLNCH 15K 3BC8 01 A31 NM3 d19-05-07 14:04 RV0591PD . CRURRAP SSI=170041079FA0 00 PG2 19-05-07 13:44 RV0591PB . CRURRSV SSI=17004107DF30 00 PG2 19-05-07 13:44 RV0591PB . CSFDLL3X 98K1866C 00 A31 NM RN 3 d19-08-26 15:20 PKCS113 . CSFDLL31122K1E6AC 00 A31 NM RN 3 d19-08-26 15:20 PKCS113 . CSFDLL64121K1E330 00 A64 NM RN 42d19-08-26 15:20 PKCS113 The "42" is actually 4 followed by a superscripted 2. See https://www.prycroft6.com.au/REVIEW/revfaq.html for more details. Peter On Sun, 10 Dec 2023 at 11:37, Seymour J Metz wrote: > IEBCOPY is the right tool for the program objects that can be converted. > There re z/OS facilities that won't work with load modules. > > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי > נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf > of Steve Estle > Sent: Saturday, December 9, 2023 8:24 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Migrating Loadlibs from PDSE to PDS? > > Seasons Greetings all, > > I know this might sound like a strange request, but we are exploring what > if any options there are to migrate load libraries from PDSE (version 1 or > 2) back to traditional basic PDS's. It appears this is highly restricted > based on my experiences trying to perform via IEBCOPY and ISPF 3.3 (which > just involkes IEBCOPY under the covers)? Any thoughts/experiences on ways > to do this or is it just one of those once you are there the "train don't > go in reverse" situations? > > Thanks in advance for any ideas/suggestions. > > Steve Estle > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Migrating Loadlibs from PDSE to PDS?
IEBCOPY is the right tool for the program objects that can be converted. There re z/OS facilities that won't work with load modules. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 עַם יִשְׂרָאֵל חַי נֵ֣צַח יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל לֹ֥א יְשַׁקֵּ֖ר From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of Steve Estle Sent: Saturday, December 9, 2023 8:24 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Migrating Loadlibs from PDSE to PDS? Seasons Greetings all, I know this might sound like a strange request, but we are exploring what if any options there are to migrate load libraries from PDSE (version 1 or 2) back to traditional basic PDS's. It appears this is highly restricted based on my experiences trying to perform via IEBCOPY and ISPF 3.3 (which just involkes IEBCOPY under the covers)? Any thoughts/experiences on ways to do this or is it just one of those once you are there the "train don't go in reverse" situations? Thanks in advance for any ideas/suggestions. Steve Estle -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Migrating Loadlibs from PDSE to PDS?
On 12/9/2023 5:24 AM, Steve Estle wrote: Seasons Greetings all, I know this might sound like a strange request, but we are exploring what if any options there are to migrate load libraries from PDSE (version 1 or 2) back to traditional basic PDS's. It appears this is highly restricted based on my experiences trying to perform via IEBCOPY and ISPF 3.3 (which just involkes IEBCOPY under the covers)? Any thoughts/experiences on ways to do this or is it just one of those once you are there the "train don't go in reverse" situations? It's a smooth transition if you're copying program object format 2 or lower. Anything over that and you might be losing something important. In some cases, you will get warnings or errors from the binder (which is called by IEBCOPY to rebind the modules). The binder produces a save operation summary that tells you which format is used. For example: |SAVE OPERATION SUMMARY: | | MEMBER NAME modname | LOAD LIBRARY data.set.name | PROGRAM TYPE PROGRAM OBJECT(FORMAT 5) <-- here! | VOLUME SERIAL volser | DISPOSITION ADDED NEW | TIME OF SAVE 15.50.30 NOV 29, 2023 After the fact, you can use AMBLIST LISTLOAD to show this information to you: |MODULE SSI: NONE |APFCODE: |RMODE: ANY |LONGPARM: NO |PO FORMAT: 5 <-- here! |OS COMPAT LEVEL: z/OSV2R1 |XPLINK: NO Sadly, the ISPF member list for a program object library does not display PO format along with the other load module attributes. If it did, you could sort on that field and easily see where you stand. It shows SSI which these days useless info (IMHO) but not PO format which is important. They never improve anything without an RFE asking for it. [sigh] -- Phoenix Software International Edward E. Jaffe 831 Parkview Drive North El Segundo, CA 90245 https://www.phoenixsoftware.com/ This e-mail message, including any attachments, appended messages and the information contained therein, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not an intended recipient or have otherwise received this email message in error, any use, dissemination, distribution, review, storage or copying of this e-mail message and the information contained therein is strictly prohibited. If you are not an intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of this email message and do not otherwise utilize or retain this email message or any or all of the information contained therein. Although this email message and any attachments or appended messages are believed to be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer system into which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is accepted by the sender for any loss or damage arising in any way from its opening or use. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Migrating Loadlibs from PDSE to PDS?
Limits are based on what compiler you used. Cobol 5+ uses PDSE features that can't be moved into a PDS. On Sat, Dec 9, 2023 at 7:24 AM Steve Estle wrote: > Seasons Greetings all, > > I know this might sound like a strange request, but we are exploring what > if any options there are to migrate load libraries from PDSE (version 1 or > 2) back to traditional basic PDS's. It appears this is highly restricted > based on my experiences trying to perform via IEBCOPY and ISPF 3.3 (which > just involkes IEBCOPY under the covers)? Any thoughts/experiences on ways > to do this or is it just one of those once you are there the "train don't > go in reverse" situations? > > Thanks in advance for any ideas/suggestions. > > Steve Estle > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- Mike A Schwab, Springfield IL USA Where do Forest Rangers go to get away from it all? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Migrating Loadlibs from PDSE to PDS?
The ADRDSSU COPY command with the CONVERT option will do what you're looking for. Mark Jacobs Sent from ProtonMail, Swiss-based encrypted email. GPG Public Key - https://api.protonmail.ch/pks/lookup?op=get=markjac...@protonmail.com On Saturday, December 9th, 2023 at 8:24 AM, Steve Estle wrote: > Seasons Greetings all, > > I know this might sound like a strange request, but we are exploring what if > any options there are to migrate load libraries from PDSE (version 1 or 2) > back to traditional basic PDS's. It appears this is highly restricted based > on my experiences trying to perform via IEBCOPY and ISPF 3.3 (which just > involkes IEBCOPY under the covers)? Any thoughts/experiences on ways to do > this or is it just one of those once you are there the "train don't go in > reverse" situations? > > Thanks in advance for any ideas/suggestions. > > Steve Estle > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Migrating Loadlibs from PDSE to PDS?
Seasons Greetings all, I know this might sound like a strange request, but we are exploring what if any options there are to migrate load libraries from PDSE (version 1 or 2) back to traditional basic PDS's. It appears this is highly restricted based on my experiences trying to perform via IEBCOPY and ISPF 3.3 (which just involkes IEBCOPY under the covers)? Any thoughts/experiences on ways to do this or is it just one of those once you are there the "train don't go in reverse" situations? Thanks in advance for any ideas/suggestions. Steve Estle -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
