Re: OT: Digital? Cloud? Modern And Cost-Effective? Surprise! It's The Mainfra...

2015-03-31 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 21:06:52 -0400, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) wrote: This is one main reason why I prefer the UNIX fork() philosophy rather than threading. That philosophy led to the insanity that a command can't pass back an environment variable to its caller. Much alleviated by the mechanism

Re: OT: Digital? Cloud? Modern And Cost-Effective? Surprise! It's The Mainfra...

2015-03-31 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In CAAJSdjgcPHDb60=apm36kvymoddqmd2fiefavq6my5zuqxw...@mail.gmail.com, on 03/30/2015 at 08:34 AM, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com said: This is one main reason why I prefer the UNIX fork() philosophy rather than threading. That philosophy led to the insanity that a command can't pass

Re: OT: Digital? Cloud? Modern And Cost-Effective? Surprise! It's The Mainfra...

2015-03-31 Thread John McKown
On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 8:06 PM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net wrote: In CAAJSdjgcPHDb60=apm36kvymoddqmd2fiefavq6my5zuqxw...@mail.gmail.com, on 03/30/2015 at 08:34 AM, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com said: This is one main reason why I prefer the UNIX fork()

Re: OT: Digital? Cloud? Modern And Cost-Effective? Surprise! It's The Mainfra...

2015-03-31 Thread Rob Schramm
XES XCF for advances PDSE - mixed bag .. Mostly advances.. And some .. Well ... just plain weird. zFS over HFS - advance Open Edition / unix system services / USS / z/unix. - Mixed bag - b2 to c2 bad, TCPIP good, ported tools/open source good, java jrio - blunder, java jzos - advance. Rob

Re: OT: Digital? Cloud? Modern And Cost-Effective? Surprise! It's The Mainfra...

2015-03-31 Thread Tony Harminc
On 31 March 2015 at 10:11, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com wrote: The fact that programmers are too lazy to use protect keys does not make them worthless. If _I_ were writing APF code which required me to store data in _common_ memory (ECSA for example), then I would most definitely

Re: OT: Digital? Cloud? Modern And Cost-Effective? Surprise! It's The Mainfra...

2015-03-30 Thread John McKown
On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 8:07 AM, Paul Gilmartin 000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu wrote: On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 06:54:57 -0500, John McKown wrote: To me, one of the biggest pluses is the hardware memory key. As now used by z/OS, it really helps with reliability because, properly used,

Re: OT: Digital? Cloud? Modern And Cost-Effective? Surprise! It's The Mainfra...

2015-03-30 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 06:54:57 -0500, John McKown wrote: On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 4:36 AM, Ed Finnell wrote: Good, bad or indifferent IBM-Main is coming up on 29 yrs( in June). Only 29? I thought OS/MVT/ASP, the focus of the drift, was quite obsolescent 29 years ago. Let's all thank Mark Post

Re: OT: Digital? Cloud? Modern And Cost-Effective? Surprise! It's The Mainfra...

2015-03-30 Thread Mohammad Khan
On Mon, 30 Mar 2015 08:07:02 -0500, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com wrote: To me, one of the biggest pluses is the hardware memory key. As now used by z/OS, it really helps with reliability because, properly used, it enforces separation of authority (ability to write) by major OS subsystem.

Re: OT: Digital? Cloud? Modern And Cost-Effective? Surprise! It's The Mainfra...

2015-03-30 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 39bc7.33e0233e.424a7...@aol.com, on 03/30/2015 at 05:36 AM, Ed Finnell 000248cce9f3-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu said: Be interesting to see a survey of biggest advances, or biggest blunders since we started. Sometimes they're the same, e.g., Project Stretch may have been the most

Re: OT: Digital? Cloud? Modern And Cost-Effective? Surprise! It's The Mainfra...

2015-03-30 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In caajsdjhwaswhnq89sqoebd5bny1eccsiqrizzyyfg1rgkz3...@mail.gmail.com, on 03/30/2015 at 06:54 AM, John McKown john.archie.mck...@gmail.com said: To me, one of the biggest pluses is the hardware memory key. Better than nothing, and available before S/360 supported virtual memory, but inferior

Re: OT: Digital? Cloud? Modern And Cost-Effective? Surprise! It's The Mainfra...

2015-03-30 Thread John McKown
On Mon, Mar 30, 2015 at 4:36 AM, Ed Finnell 000248cce9f3-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu wrote: Good, bad or indifferent IBM-Main is coming up on 29 yrs( in June). Be interesting to see a survey of biggest advances, or biggest blunders since we started. Channeling gil: EBCDIC! To me, one