Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?
Acronym War! On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 06:53 Joe Monk wrote: > Not a good idea to be hurling insults from a work account. > > Joe > > On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 4:25 AM R.S. > wrote: > > > BBC > > > > -- > > Radoslaw Skorupka > > Lodz, Poland > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > W dniu 07.08.2020 o 03:28, Seymour J Metz pisze: > > > PKB > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > > > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > > > > > > > ____________ > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on > > behalf of R.S. > > > Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 5:25 AM > > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > > Subject: Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These > > Years? > > > > > > W dniu 05.08.2020 o 17:07, Seymour J Metz pisze: > > >> Must you be so obtuse? The structure that they devised is extremely > > hard to change. Look at how long it took for everyone to switch from the > > Julian Calendar to the Gregorian calendar. > > >> > > >> Yes, Europe has had treaties, and before the ones that you mentioned > at > > that, but some things are easier to change than others. Let me know when, > > e.g., Europe gets rid of its royalty (yes, I know that they're mostly > > symbolic.) > > > Must you be so boorish? > > > Must you insult people? > > > Don't you have better hobby? This is not the place for your rudeness, > > > better would be psychiatric office. > > > > > > -- > > > Radoslaw Skorupka > > > Lodz, Poland > > > > > > > > > > > > > == > > > > Jeśli nie jesteś adresatem tej wiadomości: > > > > - powiadom nas o tym w mailu zwrotnym (dziękujemy!), > > - usuń trwale tę wiadomość (i wszystkie kopie, które wydrukowałeś lub > > zapisałeś na dysku). > > Wiadomość ta może zawierać chronione prawem informacje, które może > > wykorzystać tylko adresat.Przypominamy, że każdy, kto rozpowszechnia > > (kopiuje, rozprowadza) tę wiadomość l > <https://www.google.com/maps/search/za)+t%C4%99+wiadomo%C5%9B%C4%87+l?entry=gmail&source=g>ub > podejmuje podobne działania, > > narusza prawo i może podlegać karze. > > > > mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa, > > www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy > > XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, KRS 025237, NIP: > > 526-021-50-88. Kapitał zakładowy (opłacony w całości) według stanu na > > 01.01.2020 r. wynosi 169.401.468 złotych. > > > > If you are not the addressee of this message: > > > > - let us know by replying to this e-mail (thank you!), > > - delete this message permanently (including all the copies which you > have > > printed out or saved). > > This message may contain legally protected information, which may be used > > exclusively by the addressee.Please be reminded that anyone who > > disseminates (copies, distribut > <https://www.google.com/maps/search/sseminates+(copies,+distribut?entry=gmail&source=g>es) > this message or takes any similar > > action, violates the law and may be penalised. > > > > mBank S.A. with its registered office in Warsaw, ul. Senatorska 18, > 00-950 > > Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. District Court for the > > Capital City of Warsaw, 12th Commercial Division of the National Court > > Register, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Fully paid-up share capital > > amounting to PLN 169.401.468 as at 1 January 2020. > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?
Not a good idea to be hurling insults from a work account. Joe On Fri, Aug 7, 2020 at 4:25 AM R.S. wrote: > BBC > > -- > Radoslaw Skorupka > Lodz, Poland > > > > > > > > W dniu 07.08.2020 o 03:28, Seymour J Metz pisze: > > PKB > > > > > > -- > > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > > > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on > behalf of R.S. > > Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 5:25 AM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These > Years? > > > > W dniu 05.08.2020 o 17:07, Seymour J Metz pisze: > >> Must you be so obtuse? The structure that they devised is extremely > hard to change. Look at how long it took for everyone to switch from the > Julian Calendar to the Gregorian calendar. > >> > >> Yes, Europe has had treaties, and before the ones that you mentioned at > that, but some things are easier to change than others. Let me know when, > e.g., Europe gets rid of its royalty (yes, I know that they're mostly > symbolic.) > > Must you be so boorish? > > Must you insult people? > > Don't you have better hobby? This is not the place for your rudeness, > > better would be psychiatric office. > > > > -- > > Radoslaw Skorupka > > Lodz, Poland > > > > > > > == > > Jeśli nie jesteś adresatem tej wiadomości: > > - powiadom nas o tym w mailu zwrotnym (dziękujemy!), > - usuń trwale tę wiadomość (i wszystkie kopie, które wydrukowałeś lub > zapisałeś na dysku). > Wiadomość ta może zawierać chronione prawem informacje, które może > wykorzystać tylko adresat.Przypominamy, że każdy, kto rozpowszechnia > (kopiuje, rozprowadza) tę wiadomość lub podejmuje podobne działania, > narusza prawo i może podlegać karze. > > mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa, > www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy > XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, KRS 025237, NIP: > 526-021-50-88. Kapitał zakładowy (opłacony w całości) według stanu na > 01.01.2020 r. wynosi 169.401.468 złotych. > > If you are not the addressee of this message: > > - let us know by replying to this e-mail (thank you!), > - delete this message permanently (including all the copies which you have > printed out or saved). > This message may contain legally protected information, which may be used > exclusively by the addressee.Please be reminded that anyone who > disseminates (copies, distributes) this message or takes any similar > action, violates the law and may be penalised. > > mBank S.A. with its registered office in Warsaw, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 > Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. District Court for the > Capital City of Warsaw, 12th Commercial Division of the National Court > Register, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Fully paid-up share capital > amounting to PLN 169.401.468 as at 1 January 2020. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?
BBC -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland W dniu 07.08.2020 o 03:28, Seymour J Metz pisze: PKB -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of R.S. Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 5:25 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? W dniu 05.08.2020 o 17:07, Seymour J Metz pisze: Must you be so obtuse? The structure that they devised is extremely hard to change. Look at how long it took for everyone to switch from the Julian Calendar to the Gregorian calendar. Yes, Europe has had treaties, and before the ones that you mentioned at that, but some things are easier to change than others. Let me know when, e.g., Europe gets rid of its royalty (yes, I know that they're mostly symbolic.) Must you be so boorish? Must you insult people? Don't you have better hobby? This is not the place for your rudeness, better would be psychiatric office. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland == Jeśli nie jesteś adresatem tej wiadomości: - powiadom nas o tym w mailu zwrotnym (dziękujemy!), - usuń trwale tę wiadomość (i wszystkie kopie, które wydrukowałeś lub zapisałeś na dysku). Wiadomość ta może zawierać chronione prawem informacje, które może wykorzystać tylko adresat.Przypominamy, że każdy, kto rozpowszechnia (kopiuje, rozprowadza) tę wiadomość lub podejmuje podobne działania, narusza prawo i może podlegać karze. mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Kapitał zakładowy (opłacony w całości) według stanu na 01.01.2020 r. wynosi 169.401.468 złotych. If you are not the addressee of this message: - let us know by replying to this e-mail (thank you!), - delete this message permanently (including all the copies which you have printed out or saved). This message may contain legally protected information, which may be used exclusively by the addressee.Please be reminded that anyone who disseminates (copies, distributes) this message or takes any similar action, violates the law and may be penalised. mBank S.A. with its registered office in Warsaw, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. District Court for the Capital City of Warsaw, 12th Commercial Division of the National Court Register, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Fully paid-up share capital amounting to PLN 169.401.468 as at 1 January 2020. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?
PKB -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List on behalf of R.S. Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 5:25 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? W dniu 05.08.2020 o 17:07, Seymour J Metz pisze: > Must you be so obtuse? The structure that they devised is extremely hard to > change. Look at how long it took for everyone to switch from the Julian > Calendar to the Gregorian calendar. > > Yes, Europe has had treaties, and before the ones that you mentioned at that, > but some things are easier to change than others. Let me know when, e.g., > Europe gets rid of its royalty (yes, I know that they're mostly symbolic.) Must you be so boorish? Must you insult people? Don't you have better hobby? This is not the place for your rudeness, better would be psychiatric office. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland == Jeśli nie jesteś adresatem tej wiadomości: - powiadom nas o tym w mailu zwrotnym (dziękujemy!), - usuń trwale tę wiadomość (i wszystkie kopie, które wydrukowałeś lub zapisałeś na dysku). Wiadomość ta może zawierać chronione prawem informacje, które może wykorzystać tylko adresat.Przypominamy, że każdy, kto rozpowszechnia (kopiuje, rozprowadza) tę wiadomość lub podejmuje podobne działania, narusza prawo i może podlegać karze. mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,http://secure-web.cisco.com/1UjtIGDN3-XW3SZrqtfXFgBvH-3lBJB-PHSgfH0x8mYGF_z0Vf3Qa9L5HsJ44dTrDlmBU-O5jXau4Kg1ArF3ua2RleIT1xF6mIGAXRIlblqsnvjPFutxrv9G5IifiuJhfxM5I0qOI4kr2M107g0e2cG3L7CDJk3ZNbrm6yPyC4T1aYGxnTunEZpAhXiY1_-LN7LD4TtkTCcLR1IpwFKhMTEgKF0J8NMDGRGGwjgS16JFJPP1mZo-t78AaxdiRUl37xRVVru3BI8db19Pfr3Oi43gE-1-Pu5ibh2tuVdP_wORCxJNOuia8UmX1X0mCy1x2qEUHn3yRQRYdDAMxxqOyqgqg1rV0UkAUr2otmuPU_7axcUKpQFWytyY_pxfT5_TfwT1SPxSPXxi-apTIVPBwqKUW7gpp3nPZ1h8edCfMrrdEnV64uclKSciF-LbuldZD/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Kapitał zakładowy (opłacony w całości) według stanu na 01.01.2020 r. wynosi 169.401.468 złotych. If you are not the addressee of this message: - let us know by replying to this e-mail (thank you!), - delete this message permanently (including all the copies which you have printed out or saved). This message may contain legally protected information, which may be used exclusively by the addressee.Please be reminded that anyone who disseminates (copies, distributes) this message or takes any similar action, violates the law and may be penalised. mBank S.A. with its registered office in Warsaw, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,http://secure-web.cisco.com/1UjtIGDN3-XW3SZrqtfXFgBvH-3lBJB-PHSgfH0x8mYGF_z0Vf3Qa9L5HsJ44dTrDlmBU-O5jXau4Kg1ArF3ua2RleIT1xF6mIGAXRIlblqsnvjPFutxrv9G5IifiuJhfxM5I0qOI4kr2M107g0e2cG3L7CDJk3ZNbrm6yPyC4T1aYGxnTunEZpAhXiY1_-LN7LD4TtkTCcLR1IpwFKhMTEgKF0J8NMDGRGGwjgS16JFJPP1mZo-t78AaxdiRUl37xRVVru3BI8db19Pfr3Oi43gE-1-Pu5ibh2tuVdP_wORCxJNOuia8UmX1X0mCy1x2qEUHn3yRQRYdDAMxxqOyqgqg1rV0UkAUr2otmuPU_7axcUKpQFWytyY_pxfT5_TfwT1SPxSPXxi-apTIVPBwqKUW7gpp3nPZ1h8edCfMrrdEnV64uclKSciF-LbuldZD/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. District Court for the Capital City of Warsaw, 12th Commercial Division of the National Court Register, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Fully paid-up share capital amounting to PLN 169.401.468 as at 1 January 2020. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?
Touche! -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of R.S. Sent: Thursday, August 6, 2020 5:25 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? [External Email. Exercise caution when clicking links or opening attachments.] W dniu 05.08.2020 o 17:07, Seymour J Metz pisze: > Must you be so obtuse? The structure that they devised is extremely hard to > change. Look at how long it took for everyone to switch from the Julian > Calendar to the Gregorian calendar. > > Yes, Europe has had treaties, and before the ones that you mentioned > at that, but some things are easier to change than others. Let me know > when, e.g., Europe gets rid of its royalty (yes, I know that they're > mostly symbolic.) Must you be so boorish? Must you insult people? Don't you have better hobby? This is not the place for your rudeness, better would be psychiatric office. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland == Jeśli nie jesteś adresatem tej wiadomości: - powiadom nas o tym w mailu zwrotnym (dziękujemy!), - usuń trwale tę wiadomość (i wszystkie kopie, które wydrukowałeś lub zapisałeś na dysku). Wiadomość ta może zawierać chronione prawem informacje, które może wykorzystać tylko adresat.Przypominamy, że każdy, kto rozpowszechnia (kopiuje, rozprowadza) tę wiadomość lub podejmuje podobne działania, narusza prawo i może podlegać karze. mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Kapitał zakładowy (opłacony w całości) według stanu na 01.01.2020 r. wynosi 169.401.468 złotych. If you are not the addressee of this message: - let us know by replying to this e-mail (thank you!), - delete this message permanently (including all the copies which you have printed out or saved). This message may contain legally protected information, which may be used exclusively by the addressee.Please be reminded that anyone who disseminates (copies, distributes) this message or takes any similar action, violates the law and may be penalised. mBank S.A. with its registered office in Warsaw, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. District Court for the Capital City of Warsaw, 12th Commercial Division of the National Court Register, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Fully paid-up share capital amounting to PLN 169.401.468 as at 1 January 2020. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN Confidentiality notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, may contain legally privileged and/or confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or the employee or agent responsible for delivery of this message to the intended recipient(s), you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this e-mail message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please immediately notify the sender and delete this e-mail message from your computer. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?
W dniu 05.08.2020 o 17:07, Seymour J Metz pisze: Must you be so obtuse? The structure that they devised is extremely hard to change. Look at how long it took for everyone to switch from the Julian Calendar to the Gregorian calendar. Yes, Europe has had treaties, and before the ones that you mentioned at that, but some things are easier to change than others. Let me know when, e.g., Europe gets rid of its royalty (yes, I know that they're mostly symbolic.) Must you be so boorish? Must you insult people? Don't you have better hobby? This is not the place for your rudeness, better would be psychiatric office. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland == Jeśli nie jesteś adresatem tej wiadomości: - powiadom nas o tym w mailu zwrotnym (dziękujemy!), - usuń trwale tę wiadomość (i wszystkie kopie, które wydrukowałeś lub zapisałeś na dysku). Wiadomość ta może zawierać chronione prawem informacje, które może wykorzystać tylko adresat.Przypominamy, że każdy, kto rozpowszechnia (kopiuje, rozprowadza) tę wiadomość lub podejmuje podobne działania, narusza prawo i może podlegać karze. mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Kapitał zakładowy (opłacony w całości) według stanu na 01.01.2020 r. wynosi 169.401.468 złotych. If you are not the addressee of this message: - let us know by replying to this e-mail (thank you!), - delete this message permanently (including all the copies which you have printed out or saved). This message may contain legally protected information, which may be used exclusively by the addressee.Please be reminded that anyone who disseminates (copies, distributes) this message or takes any similar action, violates the law and may be penalised. mBank S.A. with its registered office in Warsaw, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. District Court for the Capital City of Warsaw, 12th Commercial Division of the National Court Register, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Fully paid-up share capital amounting to PLN 169.401.468 as at 1 January 2020. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?
Having a written constitution helps set the foundation for our Republic. It's pretty straightforward. The Feds are charged with controlling 'enumerated' responsibilities. The states are responsible for everything else. Where the boundaries overlap or converge the courts decide. This is not a finished product and national vs State's rights has been argued from the very beginning of our nation. In a message dated 8/5/2020 1:57:21 PM Central Standard Time, mkkha...@hotmail.com writes: Once the argument over who has what powers became really hot :)MKK -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?
It depends on who owns the road, and what local jurisdictions it passes through. HOA (Home Owners Associations) own all the roads in a development and set the speed limits there. Cities own most city streets and decide on the speed limit. Townships own most roads outside of cities and set their speed limits. Counties often own major rural highways between and through towns in the county and set their speed limits. States own main routes across the state, usually marked as a State Route, US Route, or Interstate Highway (I know of one stretch owned by Illinois that isn't marked as one of these). Speeds depend on how the road is built and what buildings are alongside the road and how close together they are, and how busy the road is. Federal Government only own the highways within a federal area, such as Blue Ridge Parkway or Natchez Trace, or within a national forest or national park. On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 10:03 AM Martin Packer wrote: > > Except speed limits only became a thing long after y'all got together. > > I wonder how deciding what is a state, county, township prerogative and > what is a federal one works. Probably on a (legal) case by (legal) case > basis. > > Cheers, Martin > > Martin Packer > > zChampion, Systems Investigator & Performance Troubleshooter, IBM > > +44-7802-245-584 > > email: martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com > > Twitter / Facebook IDs: MartinPacker > > Blog: https://mainframeperformancetopics.com > > Podcast Series (With Marna Walle): https://developer.ibm.com/tv/mpt/or > > https://itunes.apple.com/gb/podcast/mainframe-performance-topics/id1127943573?mt=2 > > > Youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCu_65HaYgksbF6Q8SQ4oOvA > > > > From: Seymour J Metz > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Date: 05/08/2020 15:02 > Subject:[EXTERNAL] Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL > After All These Years? > Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List > > > > Contrast the US with the EU and you may begin to grasp the issue.We > started as a dozen different colonies with diverged interests, and the > Federal system is just one of the compromises that are set in concrete. > Changing them is not just politically impossible, but would be a > logistical nightmare if approved. > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__mason.gmu.edu_-7Esmetz3&d=DwIFBA&c=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg&r=BsPGKdq7-Vl8MW2-WOWZjlZ0NwmcFSpQCLphNznBSDQ&m=tzn17DV8iG45XL8PsCHf10ElE8RVulff4GSwjIPwYxE&s=2oNX6YUlogcN9MH7DWD21ydg0dZ4GwP_GO-yECnNkcc&e= > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf > of R.S. [r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl] > Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 8:16 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These > Years? > > Federal limits, state limits... This is something I don't understand. > Standarization is good thing and common rules are easier to follow. > I just checked - 85mph in Texas, even for trucks. And 55mph in District > of Columbia (not to mention Guam). From the other hand Residential Areas > limits vary from 15 to 55mph. > Howeve it is matter of simple table with different values for each row > (state), because the columns (rules) vary also. That lead to confusion. > It's even more complex than baseball and non-SI measures! ;-) > > -- > Radoslaw Skorupka > Lodz, Poland > > > > > > > W dniu 05.08.2020 o 08:34, Bob Bridges pisze: > > Technically the 55mph limit wasn't a federal law; Rex is right that > speed limits are set and enforced by each state. But in the '70s Congress > (the Federal Congress) passed a law that Federal highway money would not > be forthcoming to states that allowed their speed limits to exceed 55mph. > Most states went along. The 55mph speed limit is long gone now; > interstates I drive on east of the Mississippi river are mostly 65 and 70, > except through dicey parts of cities where it can go as low as 55 or even > 45. I saw a piece of I-10 in AZ that was 75, or maybe 80, but that's all > I've seen myself. > > > > I remember my driver's-ed teacher in high school telling us that in some > western states the statutory speed limit used to be 120, and even that was > enforced spottily. > > > > Before the 55 limit, in 1972 and at the mature age of 17, I hitchhiked > across the country. (NC to CA; for Europeans, it's about 4100 km.) A guy > who picked me up in Texas had just had a new engine put into his car, and > he didn't want to go too fast until he'd broken in the engine a bit.
Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?
The thing many non-Americans don't understand (and many Americans, too, I'm afraid) is that the states in the USA are not provinces. They're called "states" because they were individual countries that decided to form a ~partial~ union. The US Constitution defines what are the powers of the Federal government, and specifies that all other powers are reserved for the individual states. The states, then, decide what prerogatives are to be ceded to the counties and towns. I say this in partial adjustment of Mr Metz mention of Supreme-Court cases. The US Supreme Court has indeed refined the sometimes-vague language of the Constitution - deciding, for example, that some of the restrictions on the federal government (about freedom of religion, for example) are to be enforced also all the state governments. (The Constitution says simply "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"; the USSC decided long ago that the states may not do so either.) But despite frequent complaints of "judicial activism", in which a judge issues a decision based not on what the law is but what the judge thinks the law should be - complaints which I utter myself, from time to time - when you actually read some USSC decisions, it seems they pay more attention to the concept of Federalism than is commonly understood. Please pardon the rant. It happen I'm having a long-running debate with my best friend about this very concept, and the subject is fresh in my mind. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* Easy credit terms available. -Satan */ From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Martin Packer [martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 11:02 AM I wonder how deciding what is a state, county, township prerogative and what is a federal one works. Probably on a (legal) case by (legal) case basis. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Generally by litigation going up to the Supreme Court, with arguments involving, e.g., the 9th, 10th and 14th Amendments, to say nothing of the interpretation of terms in the base Constitution. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Martin Packer [martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 11:02 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? Except speed limits only became a thing long after y'all got together. I wonder how deciding what is a state, county, township prerogative and what is a federal one works. Probably on a (legal) case by (legal) case basis. Cheers, Martin Martin Packer zChampion, Systems Investigator & Performance Troubleshooter, IBM +44-7802-245-584 email: martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com Twitter / Facebook IDs: MartinPacker Blog: https://secure-web.cisco.com/15WGaSQZQ80s7DD4XWK91eL2DNhFBIM5DtcnHmRVhpR-mthdzCNOqgX1QP1IhlniJ9HrPLxtD7CAFsXbAf_X70AeKhHW68eX_A35k6UJ25Sd99eQ93-GklldpgLvL3D6mPbMb1XrkCZr_0c_IpCQp-soXshxxUhh-zaZPA0x4yxFGOVft0gbp2aRbmkBsV1X_g2uIsdlBQYragFD6yk4OpOZrAMoCQNEGJ3VvuDF8YMYibg__hHBoSJrCsilrbbF7b_zyDkx5QXCAyE9ImGMlM6I4VI1k4JqaWDjPUU_9eXePbuI_uk2d0Q-KvnvTtpERy_Rea8aSCvU4Xl8j8PClUI4hEgdv6RxOw4Jee6OTlE7O3GKLF1BUWPywDRg8not9kx5vzf-lNS70YYgACdzd8fH2-TaPpQrtl7REesmKQTU5PkqmtaI50oIHea_EKyBC/https%3A%2F%2Fmainframeperformancetopics.com Podcast Series (With Marna Walle): https://developer.ibm.com/tv/mpt/or https://itunes.apple.com/gb/podcast/mainframe-performance-topics/id1127943573?mt=2 Youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCu_65HaYgksbF6Q8SQ4oOvA From: Seymour J Metz To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: 05/08/2020 15:02 Subject:[EXTERNAL] Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List Contrast the US with the EU and you may begin to grasp the issue.We started as a dozen different colonies with diverged interests, and the Federal system is just one of the compromises that are set in concrete. Changing them is not just politically impossible, but would be a logistical nightmare if approved. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__mason.gmu.edu_-7Esmetz3&d=DwIFBA&c=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg&r=BsPGKdq7-Vl8MW2-WOWZjlZ0NwmcFSpQCLphNznBSDQ&m=tzn17DV8iG45XL8PsCHf10ElE8RVulff4GSwjIPwYxE&s=2oNX6YUlogcN9MH7DWD21ydg0dZ4GwP_GO-yECnNkcc&e= From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of R.S. [r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl] Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 8:16 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? Federal limits, state limits... This is something I don't understand. Standarization is good thing and common rules are easier to follow. I just checked - 85mph in Texas, even for trucks. And 55mph in District of Columbia (not to mention Guam). From the other hand Residential Areas limits vary from 15 to 55mph. Howeve it is matter of simple table with different values for each row (state), because the columns (rules) vary also. That lead to confusion. It's even more complex than baseball and non-SI measures! ;-) -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland W dniu 05.08.2020 o 08:34, Bob Bridges pisze: > Technically the 55mph limit wasn't a federal law; Rex is right that speed limits are set and enforced by each state. But in the '70s Congress (the Federal Congress) passed a law that Federal highway money would not be forthcoming to states that allowed their speed limits to exceed 55mph. Most states went along. The 55mph speed limit is long gone now; interstates I drive on east of the Mississippi river are mostly 65 and 70, except through dicey parts of cities where it can go as low as 55 or even 45. I saw a piece of I-10 in AZ that was 75, or maybe 80, but that's all I've seen myself. > > I remember my driver's-ed teacher in high school telling us that in some western states the statutory speed limit used to be 120, and even that was enforced spottily. > > Before the 55 limit, in 1972 and at the mature age of 17, I hitchhiked across the country. (NC to CA; for Europeans, it's about 4100 km.) A guy who picked me up in Texas had just had a new engine put into his car, and he didn't want to go too fast until he'd broken in the engine a bit. But the roads in Texas are straight and flat; he kept creeping up over 100mph without realizing it. Then we'd hit a very slight curve, the car would make a slight noise as it pulled against friction toward the outside of the road, he'd glance down at the speedometer and slow down again. All very interesting to a boy who'd never gone th
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Must you be so obtuse? The structure that they devised is extremely hard to change. Look at how long it took for everyone to switch from the Julian Calendar to the Gregorian calendar. Yes, Europe has had treaties, and before the ones that you mentioned at that, but some things are easier to change than others. Let me know when, e.g., Europe gets rid of its royalty (yes, I know that they're mostly symbolic.) -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of R.S. [r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl] Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 10:28 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? No colonies were involved in speed limits. We agreed and standarized a lot of things long before EU membership. Example could be some driving related rules, Vienna 1963 and TIR. And US, over 100 years after colonies create different rules from scratch... no, not from scratch - there were federal rule. In 1994 it was enough to discuss and agree on some reasonable standard. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland W dniu 05.08.2020 o 16:02, Seymour J Metz pisze: > Contrast the US with the EU and you may begin to grasp the issue.We started > as a dozen different colonies with diverged interests, and the Federal system > is just one of the compromises that are set in concrete. Changing them is not > just politically impossible, but would be a logistical nightmare if approved. > > > -- > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of > R.S. [r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl] > Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 8:16 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? > > Federal limits, state limits... This is something I don't understand. > Standarization is good thing and common rules are easier to follow. > I just checked - 85mph in Texas, even for trucks. And 55mph in District > of Columbia (not to mention Guam). From the other hand Residential Areas > limits vary from 15 to 55mph. > Howeve it is matter of simple table with different values for each row > (state), because the columns (rules) vary also. That lead to confusion. > It's even more complex than baseball and non-SI measures! ;-) > > -- > Radoslaw Skorupka > Lodz, Poland > > > > > > > W dniu 05.08.2020 o 08:34, Bob Bridges pisze: >> Technically the 55mph limit wasn't a federal law; Rex is right that speed >> limits are set and enforced by each state. But in the '70s Congress (the >> Federal Congress) passed a law that Federal highway money would not be >> forthcoming to states that allowed their speed limits to exceed 55mph. Most >> states went along. The 55mph speed limit is long gone now; interstates I >> drive on east of the Mississippi river are mostly 65 and 70, except through >> dicey parts of cities where it can go as low as 55 or even 45. I saw a >> piece of I-10 in AZ that was 75, or maybe 80, but that's all I've seen >> myself. >> >> I remember my driver's-ed teacher in high school telling us that in some >> western states the statutory speed limit used to be 120, and even that was >> enforced spottily. >> >> Before the 55 limit, in 1972 and at the mature age of 17, I hitchhiked >> across the country. (NC to CA; for Europeans, it's about 4100 km.) A guy >> who picked me up in Texas had just had a new engine put into his car, and he >> didn't want to go too fast until he'd broken in the engine a bit. But the >> roads in Texas are straight and flat; he kept creeping up over 100mph >> without realizing it. Then we'd hit a very slight curve, the car would make >> a slight noise as it pulled against friction toward the outside of the road, >> he'd glance down at the speedometer and slow down again. All very >> interesting to a boy who'd never gone that fast before. But of course in >> such flat land it didn't really seem that fast. >> >> --- >> Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 >> >> /* Wink at small faults; remember thou hast great ones. -Poor Richard */ >> >> -Original Message- >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On >> Behalf Of Tony Thigpen >> Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 09:09 >> >> The 55 MPH limit was a federal law designed to force people to save fuel >> by driving slower during the 70
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Except speed limits only became a thing long after y'all got together. I wonder how deciding what is a state, county, township prerogative and what is a federal one works. Probably on a (legal) case by (legal) case basis. Cheers, Martin Martin Packer zChampion, Systems Investigator & Performance Troubleshooter, IBM +44-7802-245-584 email: martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com Twitter / Facebook IDs: MartinPacker Blog: https://mainframeperformancetopics.com Podcast Series (With Marna Walle): https://developer.ibm.com/tv/mpt/or https://itunes.apple.com/gb/podcast/mainframe-performance-topics/id1127943573?mt=2 Youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCu_65HaYgksbF6Q8SQ4oOvA From: Seymour J Metz To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: 05/08/2020 15:02 Subject:[EXTERNAL] Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List Contrast the US with the EU and you may begin to grasp the issue.We started as a dozen different colonies with diverged interests, and the Federal system is just one of the compromises that are set in concrete. Changing them is not just politically impossible, but would be a logistical nightmare if approved. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__mason.gmu.edu_-7Esmetz3&d=DwIFBA&c=jf_iaSHvJObTbx-siA1ZOg&r=BsPGKdq7-Vl8MW2-WOWZjlZ0NwmcFSpQCLphNznBSDQ&m=tzn17DV8iG45XL8PsCHf10ElE8RVulff4GSwjIPwYxE&s=2oNX6YUlogcN9MH7DWD21ydg0dZ4GwP_GO-yECnNkcc&e= From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of R.S. [r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl] Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 8:16 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? Federal limits, state limits... This is something I don't understand. Standarization is good thing and common rules are easier to follow. I just checked - 85mph in Texas, even for trucks. And 55mph in District of Columbia (not to mention Guam). From the other hand Residential Areas limits vary from 15 to 55mph. Howeve it is matter of simple table with different values for each row (state), because the columns (rules) vary also. That lead to confusion. It's even more complex than baseball and non-SI measures! ;-) -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland W dniu 05.08.2020 o 08:34, Bob Bridges pisze: > Technically the 55mph limit wasn't a federal law; Rex is right that speed limits are set and enforced by each state. But in the '70s Congress (the Federal Congress) passed a law that Federal highway money would not be forthcoming to states that allowed their speed limits to exceed 55mph. Most states went along. The 55mph speed limit is long gone now; interstates I drive on east of the Mississippi river are mostly 65 and 70, except through dicey parts of cities where it can go as low as 55 or even 45. I saw a piece of I-10 in AZ that was 75, or maybe 80, but that's all I've seen myself. > > I remember my driver's-ed teacher in high school telling us that in some western states the statutory speed limit used to be 120, and even that was enforced spottily. > > Before the 55 limit, in 1972 and at the mature age of 17, I hitchhiked across the country. (NC to CA; for Europeans, it's about 4100 km.) A guy who picked me up in Texas had just had a new engine put into his car, and he didn't want to go too fast until he'd broken in the engine a bit. But the roads in Texas are straight and flat; he kept creeping up over 100mph without realizing it. Then we'd hit a very slight curve, the car would make a slight noise as it pulled against friction toward the outside of the road, he'd glance down at the speedometer and slow down again. All very interesting to a boy who'd never gone that fast before. But of course in such flat land it didn't really seem that fast. > > --- > Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 > > /* Wink at small faults; remember thou hast great ones. -Poor Richard */ > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Tony Thigpen > Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 09:09 > > The 55 MPH limit was a federal law designed to force people to save fuel > by driving slower during the 70's when the fuel crisis hit the US. And, > we were stuck with for a long time even after the fuel crisis was over. > Some studies showed that while it saved fuel for autos, it cost fuel for > long-haul trucking. > > Just like the 18% interest rates of the 70's, we hope to never see a > national 55MPH speed limit again. > > --- Pommier, Rex wrote on 8/4/20 9:01 AM: >> Speed limits are different in the States based on which state you&#x
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The state highway rules are very close to each other in the US and to international standards. But each state sets maximum limits in their state, just like each country in the E.U. sets their own laws. The E.U. has about 13 treaties covering various subject matters that they have all agreed to. including forming the E.U. parliament. Versus the U.S. which wrote a constitution for a multi-state government that originally only controlled commerce between states to other countries. It did expand to cover laws that applied to all states. On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 9:28 AM R.S. wrote: > > No colonies were involved in speed limits. > We agreed and standarized a lot of things long before EU membership. > Example could be some driving related rules, Vienna 1963 and TIR. > And US, over 100 years after colonies create different rules from > scratch... no, not from scratch - there were federal rule. In 1994 it > was enough to discuss and agree on some reasonable standard. > > -- > Radoslaw Skorupka > Lodz, Poland > > > > > > > W dniu 05.08.2020 o 16:02, Seymour J Metz pisze: > > Contrast the US with the EU and you may begin to grasp the issue.We started > > as a dozen different colonies with diverged interests, and the Federal > > system is just one of the compromises that are set in concrete. Changing > > them is not just politically impossible, but would be a logistical > > nightmare if approved. > > > > > > -- > > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of > > R.S. [r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl] > > Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 8:16 AM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These > > Years? > > > > Federal limits, state limits... This is something I don't understand. > > Standarization is good thing and common rules are easier to follow. > > I just checked - 85mph in Texas, even for trucks. And 55mph in District > > of Columbia (not to mention Guam). From the other hand Residential Areas > > limits vary from 15 to 55mph. > > Howeve it is matter of simple table with different values for each row > > (state), because the columns (rules) vary also. That lead to confusion. > > It's even more complex than baseball and non-SI measures! ;-) > > > > -- > > Radoslaw Skorupka > > Lodz, Poland > > > > > > > > > > > > > > W dniu 05.08.2020 o 08:34, Bob Bridges pisze: > >> Technically the 55mph limit wasn't a federal law; Rex is right that speed > >> limits are set and enforced by each state. But in the '70s Congress (the > >> Federal Congress) passed a law that Federal highway money would not be > >> forthcoming to states that allowed their speed limits to exceed 55mph. > >> Most states went along. The 55mph speed limit is long gone now; > >> interstates I drive on east of the Mississippi river are mostly 65 and 70, > >> except through dicey parts of cities where it can go as low as 55 or even > >> 45. I saw a piece of I-10 in AZ that was 75, or maybe 80, but that's all > >> I've seen myself. > >> > >> I remember my driver's-ed teacher in high school telling us that in some > >> western states the statutory speed limit used to be 120, and even that was > >> enforced spottily. > >> > >> Before the 55 limit, in 1972 and at the mature age of 17, I hitchhiked > >> across the country. (NC to CA; for Europeans, it's about 4100 km.) A guy > >> who picked me up in Texas had just had a new engine put into his car, and > >> he didn't want to go too fast until he'd broken in the engine a bit. But > >> the roads in Texas are straight and flat; he kept creeping up over 100mph > >> without realizing it. Then we'd hit a very slight curve, the car would > >> make a slight noise as it pulled against friction toward the outside of > >> the road, he'd glance down at the speedometer and slow down again. All > >> very interesting to a boy who'd never gone that fast before. But of > >> course in such flat land it didn't really seem that fast. > >> > >> --- > >> Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 > >> > >> /* Wink at small faults; remember thou hast great ones. -Poor Richard */ > >> > >> -Original Message- > >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List
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No colonies were involved in speed limits. We agreed and standarized a lot of things long before EU membership. Example could be some driving related rules, Vienna 1963 and TIR. And US, over 100 years after colonies create different rules from scratch... no, not from scratch - there were federal rule. In 1994 it was enough to discuss and agree on some reasonable standard. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland W dniu 05.08.2020 o 16:02, Seymour J Metz pisze: Contrast the US with the EU and you may begin to grasp the issue.We started as a dozen different colonies with diverged interests, and the Federal system is just one of the compromises that are set in concrete. Changing them is not just politically impossible, but would be a logistical nightmare if approved. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of R.S. [r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl] Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 8:16 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? Federal limits, state limits... This is something I don't understand. Standarization is good thing and common rules are easier to follow. I just checked - 85mph in Texas, even for trucks. And 55mph in District of Columbia (not to mention Guam). From the other hand Residential Areas limits vary from 15 to 55mph. Howeve it is matter of simple table with different values for each row (state), because the columns (rules) vary also. That lead to confusion. It's even more complex than baseball and non-SI measures! ;-) -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland W dniu 05.08.2020 o 08:34, Bob Bridges pisze: Technically the 55mph limit wasn't a federal law; Rex is right that speed limits are set and enforced by each state. But in the '70s Congress (the Federal Congress) passed a law that Federal highway money would not be forthcoming to states that allowed their speed limits to exceed 55mph. Most states went along. The 55mph speed limit is long gone now; interstates I drive on east of the Mississippi river are mostly 65 and 70, except through dicey parts of cities where it can go as low as 55 or even 45. I saw a piece of I-10 in AZ that was 75, or maybe 80, but that's all I've seen myself. I remember my driver's-ed teacher in high school telling us that in some western states the statutory speed limit used to be 120, and even that was enforced spottily. Before the 55 limit, in 1972 and at the mature age of 17, I hitchhiked across the country. (NC to CA; for Europeans, it's about 4100 km.) A guy who picked me up in Texas had just had a new engine put into his car, and he didn't want to go too fast until he'd broken in the engine a bit. But the roads in Texas are straight and flat; he kept creeping up over 100mph without realizing it. Then we'd hit a very slight curve, the car would make a slight noise as it pulled against friction toward the outside of the road, he'd glance down at the speedometer and slow down again. All very interesting to a boy who'd never gone that fast before. But of course in such flat land it didn't really seem that fast. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* Wink at small faults; remember thou hast great ones. -Poor Richard */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Tony Thigpen Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 09:09 The 55 MPH limit was a federal law designed to force people to save fuel by driving slower during the 70's when the fuel crisis hit the US. And, we were stuck with for a long time even after the fuel crisis was over. Some studies showed that while it saved fuel for autos, it cost fuel for long-haul trucking. Just like the 18% interest rates of the 70's, we hope to never see a national 55MPH speed limit again. --- Pommier, Rex wrote on 8/4/20 9:01 AM: Speed limits are different in the States based on which state you're in. Each state can set its own speed limit. I am in South Dakota, and most smaller 2 lane roads are 55 MPH. Many of the state 2 lane roads are 65, and the interstates have an 80 MPH speed limit, the equivalent of about 130 KPH. So the divided highways - at least in South Dakota - are reasonable. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of R.S. Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 7:23 AM My opinion: I like american cars and roads. However I don't understand common speed limit 55 mph which is in my opinion too low for the road on desert. BTW: Here in Poland default limit on highway is 140 km/h. However in Germany default is ...your sanity. No speed limit. Most cars have factory limit at 250 km/h, but not luxury ones. And yes, it is legal to
Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?
Contrast the US with the EU and you may begin to grasp the issue.We started as a dozen different colonies with diverged interests, and the Federal system is just one of the compromises that are set in concrete. Changing them is not just politically impossible, but would be a logistical nightmare if approved. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of R.S. [r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl] Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 8:16 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? Federal limits, state limits... This is something I don't understand. Standarization is good thing and common rules are easier to follow. I just checked - 85mph in Texas, even for trucks. And 55mph in District of Columbia (not to mention Guam). From the other hand Residential Areas limits vary from 15 to 55mph. Howeve it is matter of simple table with different values for each row (state), because the columns (rules) vary also. That lead to confusion. It's even more complex than baseball and non-SI measures! ;-) -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland W dniu 05.08.2020 o 08:34, Bob Bridges pisze: > Technically the 55mph limit wasn't a federal law; Rex is right that speed > limits are set and enforced by each state. But in the '70s Congress (the > Federal Congress) passed a law that Federal highway money would not be > forthcoming to states that allowed their speed limits to exceed 55mph. Most > states went along. The 55mph speed limit is long gone now; interstates I > drive on east of the Mississippi river are mostly 65 and 70, except through > dicey parts of cities where it can go as low as 55 or even 45. I saw a piece > of I-10 in AZ that was 75, or maybe 80, but that's all I've seen myself. > > I remember my driver's-ed teacher in high school telling us that in some > western states the statutory speed limit used to be 120, and even that was > enforced spottily. > > Before the 55 limit, in 1972 and at the mature age of 17, I hitchhiked across > the country. (NC to CA; for Europeans, it's about 4100 km.) A guy who > picked me up in Texas had just had a new engine put into his car, and he > didn't want to go too fast until he'd broken in the engine a bit. But the > roads in Texas are straight and flat; he kept creeping up over 100mph without > realizing it. Then we'd hit a very slight curve, the car would make a slight > noise as it pulled against friction toward the outside of the road, he'd > glance down at the speedometer and slow down again. All very interesting to > a boy who'd never gone that fast before. But of course in such flat land it > didn't really seem that fast. > > --- > Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 > > /* Wink at small faults; remember thou hast great ones. -Poor Richard */ > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Tony Thigpen > Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 09:09 > > The 55 MPH limit was a federal law designed to force people to save fuel > by driving slower during the 70's when the fuel crisis hit the US. And, > we were stuck with for a long time even after the fuel crisis was over. > Some studies showed that while it saved fuel for autos, it cost fuel for > long-haul trucking. > > Just like the 18% interest rates of the 70's, we hope to never see a > national 55MPH speed limit again. > > --- Pommier, Rex wrote on 8/4/20 9:01 AM: >> Speed limits are different in the States based on which state you're in. >> Each state can set its own speed limit. I am in South Dakota, and most >> smaller 2 lane roads are 55 MPH. Many of the state 2 lane roads are 65, and >> the interstates have an 80 MPH speed limit, the equivalent of about 130 KPH. >> So the divided highways - at least in South Dakota - are reasonable. >> >> -Original Message- >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of >> R.S. >> Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 7:23 AM >> >> My opinion: I like american cars and roads. >> However I don't understand common speed limit 55 mph which is in my opinion >> too low for the road on desert. >> >> BTW: >> Here in Poland default limit on highway is 140 km/h. >> However in Germany default is ...your sanity. No speed limit. Most cars have >> factory limit at 250 km/h, but not luxury ones. And yes, it is legal to >> drive 300 km/h Of course this is for highways only. And speed limit signs >> may reduce it. >
Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?
The US started as a loose coalition of colonies with competing interests. Even after the States found the Articles of Confederation to be too anarchic, the states were jealous of their parochial interests and prerogatives, and the US Constitution is a mass of compromises that look bad from a modern perspective. It's what we have, and there's a huge amount of inertia. Even if there were a consensus for streamlining it, the logistics would be staggering. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Martin Packer [martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 9:14 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? I think what baffles the rest of the world is the point of states, counties, etc setting things like speed limits. (Yes to where a 25 applies, for instance. No to it being a 25.) And, for sure, it suckers the occasional out-of-stater into inadvertent illegality - which is probably counter-productive. Cheers, Martin Martin Packer zChampion, Systems Investigator & Performance Troubleshooter, IBM +44-7802-245-584 email: martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com Twitter / Facebook IDs: MartinPacker Blog: https://secure-web.cisco.com/1Pucid1nl1cfBHXTLaObJIDtkno5vZPUOddEwBHJBhEUFyg7IIyC8VfafeJJt6FO3tuXV5EH0bmgsdUU0ONtunyZT9kUm6Rb7aAmeLTjb_WVsQiOlvh4y2SCq2zoJgtPClu3cjGyPidkTS2Za_5n7MnLRN_ZUwGRylx2uy3VHx_JMXZlKRAVVugZrW9LIJbAL0x5ZAbKB59tr1i-S3suRGwhqulkWDpSChPo0-lwlcb9-RSWDFbsGtVAAVD9Zp9HyC79PyyTMx7cSlqNugwuc9uS4A1Qlr83sr3VzhWlKEZRdEXCjQKZrfeHDCqmLuybbLLzk_Dv0WGLHjZ4hu3WWFO5J4hPPPS2od405rgvDt3PSzw98UeC3YWaBakcwOhkyJeH1TkYnvuZuOYgLBuYZ7mewtGIceh68WN97SSHBFQzXyUgHQVOVMnpAWUHZGnMk/https%3A%2F%2Fmainframeperformancetopics.com Podcast Series (With Marna Walle): https://developer.ibm.com/tv/mpt/or https://itunes.apple.com/gb/podcast/mainframe-performance-topics/id1127943573?mt=2 Youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCu_65HaYgksbF6Q8SQ4oOvA From: Joe Monk To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: 05/08/2020 14:05 Subject:[EXTERNAL] Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List "Federal limits, state limits... This is something I don't understand." It is a concept called federalism. The state has certain powers, and the federal government has certain powers. Joe On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 7:16 AM R.S. wrote: > Federal limits, state limits... This is something I don't understand. > Standarization is good thing and common rules are easier to follow. > I just checked - 85mph in Texas, even for trucks. And 55mph in District > of Columbia (not to mention Guam). From the other hand Residential Areas > limits vary from 15 to 55mph. > Howeve it is matter of simple table with different values for each row > (state), because the columns (rules) vary also. That lead to confusion. > It's even more complex than baseball and non-SI measures! ;-) > > -- > Radoslaw Skorupka > Lodz, Poland > > > > > > > W dniu 05.08.2020 o 08:34, Bob Bridges pisze: > > Technically the 55mph limit wasn't a federal law; Rex is right that > speed limits are set and enforced by each state. But in the '70s Congress > (the Federal Congress) passed a law that Federal highway money would not be > forthcoming to states that allowed their speed limits to exceed 55mph. > Most states went along. The 55mph speed limit is long gone now; > interstates I drive on east of the Mississippi river are mostly 65 and 70, > except through dicey parts of cities where it can go as low as 55 or even > 45. I saw a piece of I-10 in AZ that was 75, or maybe 80, but that's all > I've seen myself. > > > > I remember my driver's-ed teacher in high school telling us that in some > western states the statutory speed limit used to be 120, and even that was > enforced spottily. > > > > Before the 55 limit, in 1972 and at the mature age of 17, I hitchhiked > across the country. (NC to CA; for Europeans, it's about 4100 km.) A guy > who picked me up in Texas had just had a new engine put into his car, and > he didn't want to go too fast until he'd broken in the engine a bit. But > the roads in Texas are straight and flat; he kept creeping up over 100mph > without realizing it. Then we'd hit a very slight curve, the car would > make a slight noise as it pulled against friction toward the outside of the > road, he'd glance down at the speedometer and slow down again. All very > interesting to a boy who'd never gone that fast before. But of course in > such flat land it didn't really seem that fast. > > > > --- > >
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> So they make pointless differences because they can. The same applies to the EU, in spades. You have to understand the history of a country to understand the quirks in its legal system. It's like software; a bad design decision is hard to change once it's deployed. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of R.S. [r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl] Sent: Wednesday, August 5, 2020 9:26 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? So they make pointless differences because they can. Bingo. You know we (Poland) are independent country and we have some kind of states (województwo), but driving rules are common and much more similiar to other countries in EU than your states one to another. And we have the same voltage and frequency as the rest of Europe. Why there is no 135V in Texas and 50Hz in Dakota? That would prove "certaint powers" of those states. Again: standarization is good thing. You have a lot of de facto standards which are good or not necessarily needed. Speed limits and other driving rules are good candidates for standarization. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland W dniu 05.08.2020 o 15:04, Joe Monk pisze: > "Federal limits, state limits... This is something I don't understand." > > It is a concept called federalism. The state has certain powers, and the > federal government has certain powers. > > Joe > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 7:16 AM R.S. wrote: > >> Federal limits, state limits... This is something I don't understand. >> Standarization is good thing and common rules are easier to follow. >> I just checked - 85mph in Texas, even for trucks. And 55mph in District >> of Columbia (not to mention Guam). From the other hand Residential Areas >> limits vary from 15 to 55mph. >> Howeve it is matter of simple table with different values for each row >> (state), because the columns (rules) vary also. That lead to confusion. >> It's even more complex than baseball and non-SI measures! ;-) >> >> -- >> Radoslaw Skorupka >> Lodz, Poland >> >> >> >> >> >> >> W dniu 05.08.2020 o 08:34, Bob Bridges pisze: >>> Technically the 55mph limit wasn't a federal law; Rex is right that >> speed limits are set and enforced by each state. But in the '70s Congress >> (the Federal Congress) passed a law that Federal highway money would not be >> forthcoming to states that allowed their speed limits to exceed 55mph. >> Most states went along. The 55mph speed limit is long gone now; >> interstates I drive on east of the Mississippi river are mostly 65 and 70, >> except through dicey parts of cities where it can go as low as 55 or even >> 45. I saw a piece of I-10 in AZ that was 75, or maybe 80, but that's all >> I've seen myself. >>> I remember my driver's-ed teacher in high school telling us that in some >> western states the statutory speed limit used to be 120, and even that was >> enforced spottily. >>> Before the 55 limit, in 1972 and at the mature age of 17, I hitchhiked >> across the country. (NC to CA; for Europeans, it's about 4100 km.) A guy >> who picked me up in Texas had just had a new engine put into his car, and >> he didn't want to go too fast until he'd broken in the engine a bit. But >> the roads in Texas are straight and flat; he kept creeping up over 100mph >> without realizing it. Then we'd hit a very slight curve, the car would >> make a slight noise as it pulled against friction toward the outside of the >> road, he'd glance down at the speedometer and slow down again. All very >> interesting to a boy who'd never gone that fast before. But of course in >> such flat land it didn't really seem that fast. >>> --- >>> Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 >>> >>> /* Wink at small faults; remember thou hast great ones. -Poor Richard */ >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] >> On Behalf Of Tony Thigpen >>> Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 09:09 >>> >>> The 55 MPH limit was a federal law designed to force people to save fuel >>> by driving slower during the 70's when the fuel crisis hit the US. And, >>> we were stuck with for a long time even after the fuel crisis was over. >>> Some studies showed that while it saved fuel for autos, it cost fuel for >>
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Once the argument over who has what powers became really hot :) MKK On Wed, 5 Aug 2020 08:04:37 -0500, Joe Monk wrote: >"Federal limits, state limits... This is something I don't understand." > >It is a concept called federalism. The state has certain powers, and the >federal government has certain powers. > >Joe -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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So they make pointless differences because they can. Bingo. You know we (Poland) are independent country and we have some kind of states (województwo), but driving rules are common and much more similiar to other countries in EU than your states one to another. And we have the same voltage and frequency as the rest of Europe. Why there is no 135V in Texas and 50Hz in Dakota? That would prove "certaint powers" of those states. Again: standarization is good thing. You have a lot of de facto standards which are good or not necessarily needed. Speed limits and other driving rules are good candidates for standarization. -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland W dniu 05.08.2020 o 15:04, Joe Monk pisze: "Federal limits, state limits... This is something I don't understand." It is a concept called federalism. The state has certain powers, and the federal government has certain powers. Joe On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 7:16 AM R.S. wrote: Federal limits, state limits... This is something I don't understand. Standarization is good thing and common rules are easier to follow. I just checked - 85mph in Texas, even for trucks. And 55mph in District of Columbia (not to mention Guam). From the other hand Residential Areas limits vary from 15 to 55mph. Howeve it is matter of simple table with different values for each row (state), because the columns (rules) vary also. That lead to confusion. It's even more complex than baseball and non-SI measures! ;-) -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland W dniu 05.08.2020 o 08:34, Bob Bridges pisze: Technically the 55mph limit wasn't a federal law; Rex is right that speed limits are set and enforced by each state. But in the '70s Congress (the Federal Congress) passed a law that Federal highway money would not be forthcoming to states that allowed their speed limits to exceed 55mph. Most states went along. The 55mph speed limit is long gone now; interstates I drive on east of the Mississippi river are mostly 65 and 70, except through dicey parts of cities where it can go as low as 55 or even 45. I saw a piece of I-10 in AZ that was 75, or maybe 80, but that's all I've seen myself. I remember my driver's-ed teacher in high school telling us that in some western states the statutory speed limit used to be 120, and even that was enforced spottily. Before the 55 limit, in 1972 and at the mature age of 17, I hitchhiked across the country. (NC to CA; for Europeans, it's about 4100 km.) A guy who picked me up in Texas had just had a new engine put into his car, and he didn't want to go too fast until he'd broken in the engine a bit. But the roads in Texas are straight and flat; he kept creeping up over 100mph without realizing it. Then we'd hit a very slight curve, the car would make a slight noise as it pulled against friction toward the outside of the road, he'd glance down at the speedometer and slow down again. All very interesting to a boy who'd never gone that fast before. But of course in such flat land it didn't really seem that fast. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* Wink at small faults; remember thou hast great ones. -Poor Richard */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Tony Thigpen Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 09:09 The 55 MPH limit was a federal law designed to force people to save fuel by driving slower during the 70's when the fuel crisis hit the US. And, we were stuck with for a long time even after the fuel crisis was over. Some studies showed that while it saved fuel for autos, it cost fuel for long-haul trucking. Just like the 18% interest rates of the 70's, we hope to never see a national 55MPH speed limit again. --- Pommier, Rex wrote on 8/4/20 9:01 AM: Speed limits are different in the States based on which state you're in. Each state can set its own speed limit. I am in South Dakota, and most smaller 2 lane roads are 55 MPH. Many of the state 2 lane roads are 65, and the interstates have an 80 MPH speed limit, the equivalent of about 130 KPH. So the divided highways - at least in South Dakota - are reasonable. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of R.S. Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 7:23 AM My opinion: I like american cars and roads. However I don't understand common speed limit 55 mph which is in my opinion too low for the road on desert. BTW: Here in Poland default limit on highway is 140 km/h. However in Germany default is ...your sanity. No speed limit. Most cars have factory limit at 250 km/h, but not luxury ones. And yes, it is legal to drive 300 km/h Of course this is for highways only. And speed limit signs may reduce it. == Jeśli nie jesteś adresatem tej wiadomości: - powiadom nas o tym w mailu zwrotnym (dziękujemy!), - usuń trwale tę wiadomość (i wszystkie kopie, które wydrukowałeś lub zapis
Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?
I think what baffles the rest of the world is the point of states, counties, etc setting things like speed limits. (Yes to where a 25 applies, for instance. No to it being a 25.) And, for sure, it suckers the occasional out-of-stater into inadvertent illegality - which is probably counter-productive. Cheers, Martin Martin Packer zChampion, Systems Investigator & Performance Troubleshooter, IBM +44-7802-245-584 email: martin_pac...@uk.ibm.com Twitter / Facebook IDs: MartinPacker Blog: https://mainframeperformancetopics.com Podcast Series (With Marna Walle): https://developer.ibm.com/tv/mpt/or https://itunes.apple.com/gb/podcast/mainframe-performance-topics/id1127943573?mt=2 Youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCu_65HaYgksbF6Q8SQ4oOvA From: Joe Monk To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Date: 05/08/2020 14:05 Subject:[EXTERNAL] Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? Sent by:IBM Mainframe Discussion List "Federal limits, state limits... This is something I don't understand." It is a concept called federalism. The state has certain powers, and the federal government has certain powers. Joe On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 7:16 AM R.S. wrote: > Federal limits, state limits... This is something I don't understand. > Standarization is good thing and common rules are easier to follow. > I just checked - 85mph in Texas, even for trucks. And 55mph in District > of Columbia (not to mention Guam). From the other hand Residential Areas > limits vary from 15 to 55mph. > Howeve it is matter of simple table with different values for each row > (state), because the columns (rules) vary also. That lead to confusion. > It's even more complex than baseball and non-SI measures! ;-) > > -- > Radoslaw Skorupka > Lodz, Poland > > > > > > > W dniu 05.08.2020 o 08:34, Bob Bridges pisze: > > Technically the 55mph limit wasn't a federal law; Rex is right that > speed limits are set and enforced by each state. But in the '70s Congress > (the Federal Congress) passed a law that Federal highway money would not be > forthcoming to states that allowed their speed limits to exceed 55mph. > Most states went along. The 55mph speed limit is long gone now; > interstates I drive on east of the Mississippi river are mostly 65 and 70, > except through dicey parts of cities where it can go as low as 55 or even > 45. I saw a piece of I-10 in AZ that was 75, or maybe 80, but that's all > I've seen myself. > > > > I remember my driver's-ed teacher in high school telling us that in some > western states the statutory speed limit used to be 120, and even that was > enforced spottily. > > > > Before the 55 limit, in 1972 and at the mature age of 17, I hitchhiked > across the country. (NC to CA; for Europeans, it's about 4100 km.) A guy > who picked me up in Texas had just had a new engine put into his car, and > he didn't want to go too fast until he'd broken in the engine a bit. But > the roads in Texas are straight and flat; he kept creeping up over 100mph > without realizing it. Then we'd hit a very slight curve, the car would > make a slight noise as it pulled against friction toward the outside of the > road, he'd glance down at the speedometer and slow down again. All very > interesting to a boy who'd never gone that fast before. But of course in > such flat land it didn't really seem that fast. > > > > --- > > Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 > > > > /* Wink at small faults; remember thou hast great ones. -Poor Richard */ > > > > -Original Message- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] > On Behalf Of Tony Thigpen > > Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 09:09 > > > > The 55 MPH limit was a federal law designed to force people to save fuel > > by driving slower during the 70's when the fuel crisis hit the US. And, > > we were stuck with for a long time even after the fuel crisis was over. > > Some studies showed that while it saved fuel for autos, it cost fuel for > > long-haul trucking. > > > > Just like the 18% interest rates of the 70's, we hope to never see a > > national 55MPH speed limit again. > > > > --- Pommier, Rex wrote on 8/4/20 9:01 AM: > >> Speed limits are different in the States based on which state you're > in. Each state can set its own speed limit. I am in South Dakota, and > most smaller 2 lane roads are 55 MPH. Many of the state 2 lane roads are > 65, and the interstates have an 80 MPH speed limit, the equivalent of about > 130 KPH. So the divided highways
Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?
"Federal limits, state limits... This is something I don't understand." It is a concept called federalism. The state has certain powers, and the federal government has certain powers. Joe On Wed, Aug 5, 2020 at 7:16 AM R.S. wrote: > Federal limits, state limits... This is something I don't understand. > Standarization is good thing and common rules are easier to follow. > I just checked - 85mph in Texas, even for trucks. And 55mph in District > of Columbia (not to mention Guam). From the other hand Residential Areas > limits vary from 15 to 55mph. > Howeve it is matter of simple table with different values for each row > (state), because the columns (rules) vary also. That lead to confusion. > It's even more complex than baseball and non-SI measures! ;-) > > -- > Radoslaw Skorupka > Lodz, Poland > > > > > > > W dniu 05.08.2020 o 08:34, Bob Bridges pisze: > > Technically the 55mph limit wasn't a federal law; Rex is right that > speed limits are set and enforced by each state. But in the '70s Congress > (the Federal Congress) passed a law that Federal highway money would not be > forthcoming to states that allowed their speed limits to exceed 55mph. > Most states went along. The 55mph speed limit is long gone now; > interstates I drive on east of the Mississippi river are mostly 65 and 70, > except through dicey parts of cities where it can go as low as 55 or even > 45. I saw a piece of I-10 in AZ that was 75, or maybe 80, but that's all > I've seen myself. > > > > I remember my driver's-ed teacher in high school telling us that in some > western states the statutory speed limit used to be 120, and even that was > enforced spottily. > > > > Before the 55 limit, in 1972 and at the mature age of 17, I hitchhiked > across the country. (NC to CA; for Europeans, it's about 4100 km.) A guy > who picked me up in Texas had just had a new engine put into his car, and > he didn't want to go too fast until he'd broken in the engine a bit. But > the roads in Texas are straight and flat; he kept creeping up over 100mph > without realizing it. Then we'd hit a very slight curve, the car would > make a slight noise as it pulled against friction toward the outside of the > road, he'd glance down at the speedometer and slow down again. All very > interesting to a boy who'd never gone that fast before. But of course in > such flat land it didn't really seem that fast. > > > > --- > > Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 > > > > /* Wink at small faults; remember thou hast great ones. -Poor Richard */ > > > > -Original Message- > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] > On Behalf Of Tony Thigpen > > Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 09:09 > > > > The 55 MPH limit was a federal law designed to force people to save fuel > > by driving slower during the 70's when the fuel crisis hit the US. And, > > we were stuck with for a long time even after the fuel crisis was over. > > Some studies showed that while it saved fuel for autos, it cost fuel for > > long-haul trucking. > > > > Just like the 18% interest rates of the 70's, we hope to never see a > > national 55MPH speed limit again. > > > > --- Pommier, Rex wrote on 8/4/20 9:01 AM: > >> Speed limits are different in the States based on which state you're > in. Each state can set its own speed limit. I am in South Dakota, and > most smaller 2 lane roads are 55 MPH. Many of the state 2 lane roads are > 65, and the interstates have an 80 MPH speed limit, the equivalent of about > 130 KPH. So the divided highways - at least in South Dakota - are > reasonable. > >> > >> -Original Message- > >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of R.S. > >> Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 7:23 AM > >> > >> My opinion: I like american cars and roads. > >> However I don't understand common speed limit 55 mph which is in my > opinion too low for the road on desert. > >> > >> BTW: > >> Here in Poland default limit on highway is 140 km/h. > >> However in Germany default is ...your sanity. No speed limit. Most cars > have factory limit at 250 km/h, but not luxury ones. And yes, it is legal > to drive 300 km/h Of course this is for highways only. And speed limit > signs may reduce it. > > > > > > == > > Jeśli nie jesteś adresatem tej wiadomości: > > - powiadom nas o tym w mailu zwrotnym (dziękujemy!), > - usuń trwale tę wiadomość (i wszystkie kopie, które wydrukowałeś lub > zapisałeś na dysku). > Wiadomość ta może zawierać chronione prawem informacje, które może > wykorzystać tylko adresat.Przypominamy, że każdy, kto rozpowszechnia > (kopiuje, rozprowadza) tę wiadomość lub podejmuje podobne działania, > narusza prawo i może podlegać karze. > > mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa, > www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy > XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, KRS
Re: OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?
Federal limits, state limits... This is something I don't understand. Standarization is good thing and common rules are easier to follow. I just checked - 85mph in Texas, even for trucks. And 55mph in District of Columbia (not to mention Guam). From the other hand Residential Areas limits vary from 15 to 55mph. Howeve it is matter of simple table with different values for each row (state), because the columns (rules) vary also. That lead to confusion. It's even more complex than baseball and non-SI measures! ;-) -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland W dniu 05.08.2020 o 08:34, Bob Bridges pisze: Technically the 55mph limit wasn't a federal law; Rex is right that speed limits are set and enforced by each state. But in the '70s Congress (the Federal Congress) passed a law that Federal highway money would not be forthcoming to states that allowed their speed limits to exceed 55mph. Most states went along. The 55mph speed limit is long gone now; interstates I drive on east of the Mississippi river are mostly 65 and 70, except through dicey parts of cities where it can go as low as 55 or even 45. I saw a piece of I-10 in AZ that was 75, or maybe 80, but that's all I've seen myself. I remember my driver's-ed teacher in high school telling us that in some western states the statutory speed limit used to be 120, and even that was enforced spottily. Before the 55 limit, in 1972 and at the mature age of 17, I hitchhiked across the country. (NC to CA; for Europeans, it's about 4100 km.) A guy who picked me up in Texas had just had a new engine put into his car, and he didn't want to go too fast until he'd broken in the engine a bit. But the roads in Texas are straight and flat; he kept creeping up over 100mph without realizing it. Then we'd hit a very slight curve, the car would make a slight noise as it pulled against friction toward the outside of the road, he'd glance down at the speedometer and slow down again. All very interesting to a boy who'd never gone that fast before. But of course in such flat land it didn't really seem that fast. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* Wink at small faults; remember thou hast great ones. -Poor Richard */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Tony Thigpen Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 09:09 The 55 MPH limit was a federal law designed to force people to save fuel by driving slower during the 70's when the fuel crisis hit the US. And, we were stuck with for a long time even after the fuel crisis was over. Some studies showed that while it saved fuel for autos, it cost fuel for long-haul trucking. Just like the 18% interest rates of the 70's, we hope to never see a national 55MPH speed limit again. --- Pommier, Rex wrote on 8/4/20 9:01 AM: Speed limits are different in the States based on which state you're in. Each state can set its own speed limit. I am in South Dakota, and most smaller 2 lane roads are 55 MPH. Many of the state 2 lane roads are 65, and the interstates have an 80 MPH speed limit, the equivalent of about 130 KPH. So the divided highways - at least in South Dakota - are reasonable. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of R.S. Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 7:23 AM My opinion: I like american cars and roads. However I don't understand common speed limit 55 mph which is in my opinion too low for the road on desert. BTW: Here in Poland default limit on highway is 140 km/h. However in Germany default is ...your sanity. No speed limit. Most cars have factory limit at 250 km/h, but not luxury ones. And yes, it is legal to drive 300 km/h Of course this is for highways only. And speed limit signs may reduce it. == Jeśli nie jesteś adresatem tej wiadomości: - powiadom nas o tym w mailu zwrotnym (dziękujemy!), - usuń trwale tę wiadomość (i wszystkie kopie, które wydrukowałeś lub zapisałeś na dysku). Wiadomość ta może zawierać chronione prawem informacje, które może wykorzystać tylko adresat.Przypominamy, że każdy, kto rozpowszechnia (kopiuje, rozprowadza) tę wiadomość lub podejmuje podobne działania, narusza prawo i może podlegać karze. mBank S.A. z siedzibą w Warszawie, ul. Senatorska 18, 00-950 Warszawa,www.mBank.pl, e-mail: kont...@mbank.pl. Sąd Rejonowy dla m. st. Warszawy XII Wydział Gospodarczy Krajowego Rejestru Sądowego, KRS 025237, NIP: 526-021-50-88. Kapitał zakładowy (opłacony w całości) według stanu na 01.01.2020 r. wynosi 169.401.468 złotych. If you are not the addressee of this message: - let us know by replying to this e-mail (thank you!), - delete this message permanently (including all the copies which you have printed out or saved). This message may contain legally protected information, which may be used exclusively by the addressee.Please be reminded that anyone who di
OT: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?
Technically the 55mph limit wasn't a federal law; Rex is right that speed limits are set and enforced by each state. But in the '70s Congress (the Federal Congress) passed a law that Federal highway money would not be forthcoming to states that allowed their speed limits to exceed 55mph. Most states went along. The 55mph speed limit is long gone now; interstates I drive on east of the Mississippi river are mostly 65 and 70, except through dicey parts of cities where it can go as low as 55 or even 45. I saw a piece of I-10 in AZ that was 75, or maybe 80, but that's all I've seen myself. I remember my driver's-ed teacher in high school telling us that in some western states the statutory speed limit used to be 120, and even that was enforced spottily. Before the 55 limit, in 1972 and at the mature age of 17, I hitchhiked across the country. (NC to CA; for Europeans, it's about 4100 km.) A guy who picked me up in Texas had just had a new engine put into his car, and he didn't want to go too fast until he'd broken in the engine a bit. But the roads in Texas are straight and flat; he kept creeping up over 100mph without realizing it. Then we'd hit a very slight curve, the car would make a slight noise as it pulled against friction toward the outside of the road, he'd glance down at the speedometer and slow down again. All very interesting to a boy who'd never gone that fast before. But of course in such flat land it didn't really seem that fast. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* Wink at small faults; remember thou hast great ones. -Poor Richard */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Tony Thigpen Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 09:09 The 55 MPH limit was a federal law designed to force people to save fuel by driving slower during the 70's when the fuel crisis hit the US. And, we were stuck with for a long time even after the fuel crisis was over. Some studies showed that while it saved fuel for autos, it cost fuel for long-haul trucking. Just like the 18% interest rates of the 70's, we hope to never see a national 55MPH speed limit again. --- Pommier, Rex wrote on 8/4/20 9:01 AM: > Speed limits are different in the States based on which state you're in. > Each state can set its own speed limit. I am in South Dakota, and most > smaller 2 lane roads are 55 MPH. Many of the state 2 lane roads are 65, and > the interstates have an 80 MPH speed limit, the equivalent of about 130 KPH. > So the divided highways - at least in South Dakota - are reasonable. > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of > R.S. > Sent: Tuesday, August 4, 2020 7:23 AM > > My opinion: I like american cars and roads. > However I don't understand common speed limit 55 mph which is in my opinion > too low for the road on desert. > > BTW: > Here in Poland default limit on highway is 140 km/h. > However in Germany default is ...your sanity. No speed limit. Most cars have > factory limit at 250 km/h, but not luxury ones. And yes, it is legal to drive > 300 km/h Of course this is for highways only. And speed limit signs may > reduce it. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [OT] OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?
Worth watching, thanks! Usually I'd rather read than listen, but this guy really moves along. That's about half an hour of info packed into 12 minutes. On 7/23/2020 6:17 PM, Tony Thigpen wrote: I know this has just about run it's course, but I came across this interesting youtube video about "why the US did not adopt the metric system" by a legitimate historian. https://youtu.be/yseldOMcT4Q Tony Thigpen -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [OT] OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?
I know this has just about run it's course, but I came across this interesting youtube video about "why the US did not adopt the metric system" by a legitimate historian. https://youtu.be/yseldOMcT4Q Tony Thigpen Bob Bridges wrote on 7/23/20 10:13 AM: I would be willing to follow such a convention, if there's a consensus for it, or possibly even if it's requested by only a few. Personally I enjoy such discussions - obviously - but I can see not everyone would. But what constitutes OT? These things have recently started with a discussion of COBOL and mainframes, neither of which I would judge to be OT. It's hard to be certain precisely where the thread crosses the line. Opinions will differ, at least. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* Why did the string bass player get angry at the timpanist? A: Because the timpanist turned a peg and wouldn't tell him which one. -from a collection of musician jokes */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of kekronbekron Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2020 02:19 Quick poll for the list: Can we all follow a 'rule' that says [OT] must be added in all off-topic discussions, so we can filter them out if required? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [OT] OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?
I would be willing to follow such a convention, if there's a consensus for it, or possibly even if it's requested by only a few. Personally I enjoy such discussions - obviously - but I can see not everyone would. But what constitutes OT? These things have recently started with a discussion of COBOL and mainframes, neither of which I would judge to be OT. It's hard to be certain precisely where the thread crosses the line. Opinions will differ, at least. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* Why did the string bass player get angry at the timpanist? A: Because the timpanist turned a peg and wouldn't tell him which one. -from a collection of musician jokes */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of kekronbekron Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2020 02:19 Quick poll for the list: Can we all follow a 'rule' that says [OT] must be added in all off-topic discussions, so we can filter them out if required? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: [OT] OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years?
Quick poll for the list: Can we all follow a 'rule' that says [OT] must be added in all off-topic discussions, so we can filter them out if required? - KB ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Thursday, July 23, 2020 9:38 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote: > That explains why the term used in the 19th Century was confusing; it has no > relevance to the issue of whether the term is limited to temperatures in the > range 0-100. > > > > > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of > Wayne Bickerdike [wayn...@gmail.com] > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 11:16 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? > > WTF? It's true that both used (past tense) the freezing and boiling point > of "water" at STP, but since when weren't they defined outside of 0-100?" > > Because: > > The centigrade scale was confusing because "centigrade" was also the > Spanish and French term for a unit of angular measurement equal to 1/100 of > a right angle. When the scale was extended from 0 to 100 degrees for > temperature, centigrade was more properly hectograde. The public was > largely unaffected by the confusion. Even though the degree Celsius was > adopted by international committees in 1948, weather forecasts issued by > the BBC continued to use degrees centigrade until February 1985. > > On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 9:27 AM Seymour J Metz sme...@gmu.edu wrote: > > > WTF? It's true that both used (past tense) the freezing and boiling point > > of "water" at STP, but since when weren't they defined outside of 0-100? > > Scare quotes because there is no standard for the percent of Deuterium in > > the water. > > -- > > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf > > of Wayne Bickerdike [wayn...@gmail.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 5:58 PM > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? > > Centigrade was derived from Celsius, however, both described only the > > freezing point and boiling point of water at NTP. > > My physics teachers said don't say >100 centigrade. It's outside the > > bounds. So physicists use Kelvin. > > On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 7:26 AM Seymour J Metz sme...@gmu.edu wrote: > > > > > Actually, i does, but is not as precise: > > > > https://secure-web.cisco.com/1ZfcTRtyL1fHmGItPj-arpyyhb5EkDhUxhc8INI8z9BhT28rjk7J8JV2395Uwd7sGnpC_G5-WdPEkYaPYMrlh1fItSRJOUCDucUqXK5IOPjKCoC4RfbpCc1ufuEYxlinUM0WiPti_hVwdTYo1ZDI5RpLaTn1egI8jCtSkqHfLm8llGulJJUBk1ep2_bu4jEVyJvZccjCMguX5TP6eLTE2CtooWHn9naE2zF2ERJedlrw2LP0dkgR-DFrpOz7By8t7fYf1tNYFfpdL_FWB-R7Y7xXjlhtiuV8Bg1V6FWgAIiTC_TksQft1PDlIRHGjVUBu0mhbtwK07UF_blEtDFQgdEGWmaB9pTGCU2vwq0y2i3IJqA1m35BuWPympC_mbki5G6k9m9wDvZ_KMV6wap-BOnIkG4CvMdpMRheDkVgxg1ju3hbqn_LZLkKGuLqKxj0z30xjGHfcHsEKDUm037cMww/https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thoughtco.com%2Fdifference-between-celsius-and-centigrade-609226 > > > > > -- > > > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz > > > http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 > > > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU on behalf > > > of Joe Monk joemon...@gmail.com > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 4:54 PM > > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > > Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These Years? > > > Kelvin (absolute temperature) is converted from Celsius. Centigrade > > > doesn't > > > exist. > > > On Wed, Jul 22, 2020, 13:46 Jackson, Rob rwjack...@firsthorizon.com > > > wrote: > > > > > > > We have definitely devolved . . . like we always do on this forum. > > > > It's > > > > > > > fun though, right? > > > > I agree on Celsius. The name disturbs me too. Centigrade is more > > > > pleasant for some reason. Reminds me of tardigrade. Now that is > > > > something > > > > we could all ponder and be better off. > > > > First Horizon Bank > > > > Mainframe Technical Support > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU On > > > > Behalf > > > > > > > Of Bob Bridges > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 2:29 PM > > > > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > > > > Subject: Re: OOBOL and English was Re: Still COBOL After All These > > > > Years? > > > > > > > [External Email. Exercise caution when clicking links or opening > > > > attachments.] > > > > I just think the word "Celsius" is ugly; "centigrade" is comparatively > > > > euphonious. A personal bias. > > > > > > > > Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 > > > > /* Do you know what constitutes a "hate crime"? Put your thinking caps > > > > on. What tools do we need to determine whether a crime was motivated > > > > by > > > > > > > hate or prejudice? Answer
