Re: EXTERNAL EMAIL: Re: On-Prem to Cloud Mainframe Migration Experiences
Thanks Dave. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Gibney, Dave Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2023 17:21 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: EXTERNAL EMAIL: Re: On-Prem to Cloud Mainframe Migration Experiences When we moved our LPARs to a hosting service, we were able to set-up a VPN (Palo Alto FW) from our f5 load balancer to 10. Addresses at the service OSA and from our customer's point of view, keep all of our local ip addresses > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of Jerry Whitteridge > Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2023 2:09 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: EXTERNAL EMAIL: Re: On-Prem to Cloud Mainframe Migration > Experiences > > [EXTERNAL EMAIL] > > OK - so you are planning DB2 z to DB2 z that makes it simpler. Are > you running on your own systems or are you planning to move to a > hosted operating system (in other words are you just migrating DB2 or > would you be migrating your OS as well). > > We recently moved all our mainframe work to the zCloud and I'd be > happy to answer any questions you may have. Some might need to be in a > private conversation but I will say the most critical piece of the > move will be your network and network addresses. > > > Jerry Whitteridge > Sr Manager Managed Services > jerry.whitteri...@albertsons.com > 480 578 7889 > > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of Lance D. Jackson > Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2023 11:21 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: EXTERNAL EMAIL: Re: On-Prem to Cloud Mainframe Migration > Experiences > > Sorry Jerry, I missed it. > > What's being considered (among other things) is Db2 Z on-prem to Db2 Z > cloud. I was just trying to see if anyone in the community had any > experiences to share. Thanks. > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of Jerry Whitteridge > Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2023 13:04 > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: EXTERNAL EMAIL: Re: On-Prem to Cloud Mainframe Migration > Experiences > > Lance - I responded to your query asking for clarification on your > question. Are you asking about moving Mainframe DB2 to UDB in the > cloud or Mainframe > DB2 to Mainframe DB2 (hosted on z/OS still) ? > > J > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of Lance D. Jackson > Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2023 5:53 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: EXTERNAL EMAIL: Re: On-Prem to Cloud Mainframe Migration > Experiences > > David, > > Actually, yours is the FIRST response to my query. I was primarily > curious if anyone has had experience with this (not advocating for > it). My client is exploring the possibilities, and I wanted to see if anyone > has made the leap. > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of David Elliot > Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2023 18:29 > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: On-Prem to Cloud Mainframe Migration Experiences > > Not seeing much in the way of responses to your question, Lance. Could > be you are asking an impossible question. like ' Is there a god?' or > 'is global warming real?' Were you expecting an outpouring of > enthusiasm for this nebulous technology? What were your experiences? > Did you get what you were promised or what you deserved? > > > > > On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 11:23 AM Lance D. Jackson < > ljack...@pandrueassociates.com> wrote: > > > List, > > > > Has anyone had experience (good or bad) with migrating their > > mainframe > > Db2 workload from on-prem to the cloud? > > > > > > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO > > IBM-MAIN > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > Warning: All e-mail sent to this address will be received by the > corporate e- mail system, and is subject to archival and review by > someone other than the recipient. This e-mail may contain proprietar
Re: EXTERNAL EMAIL: Re: On-Prem to Cloud Mainframe Migration Experiences
Thanks Jerry - any insight would be appreciated. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Jerry Whitteridge Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2023 17:09 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: EXTERNAL EMAIL: Re: On-Prem to Cloud Mainframe Migration Experiences OK - so you are planning DB2 z to DB2 z that makes it simpler. Are you running on your own systems or are you planning to move to a hosted operating system (in other words are you just migrating DB2 or would you be migrating your OS as well). We recently moved all our mainframe work to the zCloud and I'd be happy to answer any questions you may have. Some might need to be in a private conversation but I will say the most critical piece of the move will be your network and network addresses. Jerry Whitteridge Sr Manager Managed Services jerry.whitteri...@albertsons.com 480 578 7889 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Lance D. Jackson Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2023 11:21 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: EXTERNAL EMAIL: Re: On-Prem to Cloud Mainframe Migration Experiences Sorry Jerry, I missed it. What's being considered (among other things) is Db2 Z on-prem to Db2 Z cloud. I was just trying to see if anyone in the community had any experiences to share. Thanks. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Jerry Whitteridge Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2023 13:04 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: EXTERNAL EMAIL: Re: On-Prem to Cloud Mainframe Migration Experiences Lance - I responded to your query asking for clarification on your question. Are you asking about moving Mainframe DB2 to UDB in the cloud or Mainframe DB2 to Mainframe DB2 (hosted on z/OS still) ? J -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Lance D. Jackson Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2023 5:53 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: EXTERNAL EMAIL: Re: On-Prem to Cloud Mainframe Migration Experiences David, Actually, yours is the FIRST response to my query. I was primarily curious if anyone has had experience with this (not advocating for it). My client is exploring the possibilities, and I wanted to see if anyone has made the leap. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of David Elliot Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2023 18:29 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: On-Prem to Cloud Mainframe Migration Experiences Not seeing much in the way of responses to your question, Lance. Could be you are asking an impossible question. like ' Is there a god?' or 'is global warming real?' Were you expecting an outpouring of enthusiasm for this nebulous technology? What were your experiences? Did you get what you were promised or what you deserved? On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 11:23 AM Lance D. Jackson < ljack...@pandrueassociates.com> wrote: > List, > > Has anyone had experience (good or bad) with migrating their mainframe > Db2 workload from on-prem to the cloud? > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN Warning: All e-mail sent to this address will be received by the corporate e-mail system, and is subject to archival and review by someone other than the recipient. This e-mail may contain proprietary information and is intended only for the use of the intended recipient(s). If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient(s), you are notified that you have received this message in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN Warning: All e-mail sent to this address will be received by the corporate e-mail system, and is subject to archival and review by someone other than the r
Re: EXTERNAL EMAIL: Re: On-Prem to Cloud Mainframe Migration Experiences
When we moved our LPARs to a hosting service, we were able to set-up a VPN (Palo Alto FW) from our f5 load balancer to 10. Addresses at the service OSA and from our customer's point of view, keep all of our local ip addresses > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of Jerry Whitteridge > Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2023 2:09 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: EXTERNAL EMAIL: Re: On-Prem to Cloud Mainframe Migration > Experiences > > [EXTERNAL EMAIL] > > OK - so you are planning DB2 z to DB2 z that makes it simpler. Are you > running on your own systems or are you planning to move to a hosted > operating system (in other words are you just migrating DB2 or would you be > migrating your OS as well). > > We recently moved all our mainframe work to the zCloud and I'd be happy to > answer any questions you may have. Some might need to be in a private > conversation but I will say the most critical piece of the move will be your > network and network addresses. > > > Jerry Whitteridge > Sr Manager Managed Services > jerry.whitteri...@albertsons.com > 480 578 7889 > > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of Lance D. Jackson > Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2023 11:21 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: EXTERNAL EMAIL: Re: On-Prem to Cloud Mainframe Migration > Experiences > > Sorry Jerry, I missed it. > > What's being considered (among other things) is Db2 Z on-prem to Db2 Z > cloud. I was just trying to see if anyone in the community had any > experiences > to share. Thanks. > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of Jerry Whitteridge > Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2023 13:04 > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: EXTERNAL EMAIL: Re: On-Prem to Cloud Mainframe Migration > Experiences > > Lance - I responded to your query asking for clarification on your question. > Are > you asking about moving Mainframe DB2 to UDB in the cloud or Mainframe > DB2 to Mainframe DB2 (hosted on z/OS still) ? > > J > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of Lance D. Jackson > Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2023 5:53 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: EXTERNAL EMAIL: Re: On-Prem to Cloud Mainframe Migration > Experiences > > David, > > Actually, yours is the FIRST response to my query. I was primarily curious if > anyone has had experience with this (not advocating for it). My client is > exploring the possibilities, and I wanted to see if anyone has made the leap. > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of David Elliot > Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2023 18:29 > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: On-Prem to Cloud Mainframe Migration Experiences > > Not seeing much in the way of responses to your question, Lance. Could be > you are asking an impossible question. like ' Is there a god?' or 'is global > warming real?' Were you expecting an outpouring of enthusiasm for this > nebulous technology? What were your experiences? Did you get what you > were promised or what you deserved? > > > > > On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 11:23 AM Lance D. Jackson < > ljack...@pandrueassociates.com> wrote: > > > List, > > > > Has anyone had experience (good or bad) with migrating their mainframe > > Db2 workload from on-prem to the cloud? > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to > lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to > lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > Warning: All e-mail sent to this address will be received by the corporate e- > mail system, and is subject to archival and review by someone other than the > recipient. This e-mail may contain proprietary information and is intended > only > for the use of the intended recipient(s). If the reader of this message is > not the > intended recipient(s), you are notified that you have received this message in > error and that any review, dissemination, distribution or co
Re: EXTERNAL EMAIL: Re: On-Prem to Cloud Mainframe Migration Experiences
OK - so you are planning DB2 z to DB2 z that makes it simpler. Are you running on your own systems or are you planning to move to a hosted operating system (in other words are you just migrating DB2 or would you be migrating your OS as well). We recently moved all our mainframe work to the zCloud and I'd be happy to answer any questions you may have. Some might need to be in a private conversation but I will say the most critical piece of the move will be your network and network addresses. Jerry Whitteridge Sr Manager Managed Services jerry.whitteri...@albertsons.com 480 578 7889 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Lance D. Jackson Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2023 11:21 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: EXTERNAL EMAIL: Re: On-Prem to Cloud Mainframe Migration Experiences Sorry Jerry, I missed it. What's being considered (among other things) is Db2 Z on-prem to Db2 Z cloud. I was just trying to see if anyone in the community had any experiences to share. Thanks. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Jerry Whitteridge Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2023 13:04 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: EXTERNAL EMAIL: Re: On-Prem to Cloud Mainframe Migration Experiences Lance - I responded to your query asking for clarification on your question. Are you asking about moving Mainframe DB2 to UDB in the cloud or Mainframe DB2 to Mainframe DB2 (hosted on z/OS still) ? J -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Lance D. Jackson Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2023 5:53 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: EXTERNAL EMAIL: Re: On-Prem to Cloud Mainframe Migration Experiences David, Actually, yours is the FIRST response to my query. I was primarily curious if anyone has had experience with this (not advocating for it). My client is exploring the possibilities, and I wanted to see if anyone has made the leap. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of David Elliot Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2023 18:29 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: On-Prem to Cloud Mainframe Migration Experiences Not seeing much in the way of responses to your question, Lance. Could be you are asking an impossible question. like ' Is there a god?' or 'is global warming real?' Were you expecting an outpouring of enthusiasm for this nebulous technology? What were your experiences? Did you get what you were promised or what you deserved? On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 11:23 AM Lance D. Jackson < ljack...@pandrueassociates.com> wrote: > List, > > Has anyone had experience (good or bad) with migrating their mainframe > Db2 workload from on-prem to the cloud? > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN Warning: All e-mail sent to this address will be received by the corporate e-mail system, and is subject to archival and review by someone other than the recipient. This e-mail may contain proprietary information and is intended only for the use of the intended recipient(s). If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient(s), you are notified that you have received this message in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN Warning: All e-mail sent to this address will be received by the corporate e-mail system, and is subject to archival and review by someone other than the recipient. This e-mail may contain proprietary information and is intended only for the use of the intended recipient(s). If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient(s), you are notified that you have received this message in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution or cop
Re: EXTERNAL EMAIL: Re: On-Prem to Cloud Mainframe Migration Experiences
Sorry Jerry, I missed it. What's being considered (among other things) is Db2 Z on-prem to Db2 Z cloud. I was just trying to see if anyone in the community had any experiences to share. Thanks. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Jerry Whitteridge Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2023 13:04 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: EXTERNAL EMAIL: Re: On-Prem to Cloud Mainframe Migration Experiences Lance - I responded to your query asking for clarification on your question. Are you asking about moving Mainframe DB2 to UDB in the cloud or Mainframe DB2 to Mainframe DB2 (hosted on z/OS still) ? J -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Lance D. Jackson Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2023 5:53 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: EXTERNAL EMAIL: Re: On-Prem to Cloud Mainframe Migration Experiences David, Actually, yours is the FIRST response to my query. I was primarily curious if anyone has had experience with this (not advocating for it). My client is exploring the possibilities, and I wanted to see if anyone has made the leap. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of David Elliot Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2023 18:29 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: On-Prem to Cloud Mainframe Migration Experiences Not seeing much in the way of responses to your question, Lance. Could be you are asking an impossible question. like ' Is there a god?' or 'is global warming real?' Were you expecting an outpouring of enthusiasm for this nebulous technology? What were your experiences? Did you get what you were promised or what you deserved? On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 11:23 AM Lance D. Jackson < ljack...@pandrueassociates.com> wrote: > List, > > Has anyone had experience (good or bad) with migrating their mainframe > Db2 workload from on-prem to the cloud? > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN Warning: All e-mail sent to this address will be received by the corporate e-mail system, and is subject to archival and review by someone other than the recipient. This e-mail may contain proprietary information and is intended only for the use of the intended recipient(s). If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient(s), you are notified that you have received this message in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: EXTERNAL EMAIL: Re: On-Prem to Cloud Mainframe Migration Experiences
Lance - I responded to your query asking for clarification on your question. Are you asking about moving Mainframe DB2 to UDB in the cloud or Mainframe DB2 to Mainframe DB2 (hosted on z/OS still) ? J -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Lance D. Jackson Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2023 5:53 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: EXTERNAL EMAIL: Re: On-Prem to Cloud Mainframe Migration Experiences David, Actually, yours is the FIRST response to my query. I was primarily curious if anyone has had experience with this (not advocating for it). My client is exploring the possibilities, and I wanted to see if anyone has made the leap. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of David Elliot Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2023 18:29 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: On-Prem to Cloud Mainframe Migration Experiences Not seeing much in the way of responses to your question, Lance. Could be you are asking an impossible question. like ' Is there a god?' or 'is global warming real?' Were you expecting an outpouring of enthusiasm for this nebulous technology? What were your experiences? Did you get what you were promised or what you deserved? On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 11:23 AM Lance D. Jackson < ljack...@pandrueassociates.com> wrote: > List, > > Has anyone had experience (good or bad) with migrating their mainframe > Db2 workload from on-prem to the cloud? > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN Warning: All e-mail sent to this address will be received by the corporate e-mail system, and is subject to archival and review by someone other than the recipient. This e-mail may contain proprietary information and is intended only for the use of the intended recipient(s). If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient(s), you are notified that you have received this message in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: On-Prem to Cloud Mainframe Migration Experiences
Bingo. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Wednesday, August 30, 2023, 12:14 PM, Rick Troth wrote: The Cloud is sexy. It's the current shiny thing. It's the popular trend. Reality is that cloud tech is simply a resurrection of service bureaus from years back. That's not a judgement pro or con. But if your business opted to move AWAY from the service bureau then why do you want to RETURN by way of the Cloud? Cloud is nothing more or less than outsourcing. Outsourcing makes a lot of sense for a whole lotta reasons. And sometimes it doesn't. I recommend a hybrid approach in all cases: think carefully about what you will and will-not outsource. I was with Voltage Security for 7 years. Their centerpiece is format-preserving-encryption. Many of our customers wanted to migrate selected workloads to the cloud. It's a great use case for FPE, and in those situations I advised that they go ahead and move processing to the cloud while keeping the keys on-prem. When considering a cloud migration, be diligent to peel-back the emotion (discomfort) of moving certain computing work off-site and consider the factual risks. If the risks are low, then go! If the risks outweigh, then stay. I really appreciate the experience Steve recounts. So many of these projects have failed to account for hidden costs and other such factors. I've personally encountered some and witnessed too many from a distance. Here are some points: * break it down into smaller chunks (move a few applications or services at a time, not all at once) * avoid re-write (if you've got working COBOL, don't convert it to Java, for example) * consider architectural needs (if you're on Z, should you continue on Z?) * be open to re-compile (if you're using Linux on Intel, you might do fine with Linux on ARM from your cloud service, maybe) * beware beneficiaries (if someone is getting a hefty bonus on the deal, they might not be objective, or "follow the money") * own what matters most (retain control of your actual business, maybe keep crypto keys on-prem, just one example) * get it in writing (ensure that all parties recognize and "sign" the requirements, deliverables, and margins), and speaking of margin * build-in some margin (there WILL BE overruns, prepare for a percentage) * get objective help (a consultant or several or even a contracted partner) Regarding architecture, Z is initially about that awesome hardware. But you might need z/OS itself, for which you can get a range of supporting hardware and/or emulation. Lance mentions DB2, and we know that "DB2" on AIX is not the same as DB2 on MVS. Regarding re-write, there's no code more reliable than that which has been vetted over years (decades) of use. New code always has bugs. A re-write will therefore introduce bugs. This must of course be considered in context: if you're changing the system then you might uncover old bugs never seen before. I'm surely missing something important. But this is a forum, so someone else might see what I missed and chime in. :-) -- R; <>< On 8/30/23 10:17, Steve Thompson wrote: > I do not have any experience with "cloud" mainframe per se. I do have > experience with CaaS (Compiling as a Service). Contact me off line if > you want into on that. > > I do have experience with outsourced mainframes having worked for ACS > when they were in the biz. > > Per that experience, I predict that the initial costs will be > wonderful and about 5 years out the costs will be above what was > expected with a consideration of migrating back to in house (prem). > Just based on how things went with ACS and some of its competitors > where we had entities come in and go out. > > Steve Thompson > > On 8/21/2023 2:22 PM, Lance D. Jackson wrote: >> List, >> >> Has anyone had experience (good or bad) with migrating their >> mainframe Db2 workload from on-prem to the cloud? >> >> -- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: On-Prem to Cloud Mainframe Migration Experiences
The Cloud is sexy. It's the current shiny thing. It's the popular trend. Reality is that cloud tech is simply a resurrection of service bureaus from years back. That's not a judgement pro or con. But if your business opted to move AWAY from the service bureau then why do you want to RETURN by way of the Cloud? Cloud is nothing more or less than outsourcing. Outsourcing makes a lot of sense for a whole lotta reasons. And sometimes it doesn't. I recommend a hybrid approach in all cases: think carefully about what you will and will-not outsource. I was with Voltage Security for 7 years. Their centerpiece is format-preserving-encryption. Many of our customers wanted to migrate selected workloads to the cloud. It's a great use case for FPE, and in those situations I advised that they go ahead and move processing to the cloud while keeping the keys on-prem. When considering a cloud migration, be diligent to peel-back the emotion (discomfort) of moving certain computing work off-site and consider the factual risks. If the risks are low, then go! If the risks outweigh, then stay. I really appreciate the experience Steve recounts. So many of these projects have failed to account for hidden costs and other such factors. I've personally encountered some and witnessed too many from a distance. Here are some points: * break it down into smaller chunks (move a few applications or services at a time, not all at once) * avoid re-write (if you've got working COBOL, don't convert it to Java, for example) * consider architectural needs (if you're on Z, should you continue on Z?) * be open to re-compile (if you're using Linux on Intel, you might do fine with Linux on ARM from your cloud service, maybe) * beware beneficiaries (if someone is getting a hefty bonus on the deal, they might not be objective, or "follow the money") * own what matters most (retain control of your actual business, maybe keep crypto keys on-prem, just one example) * get it in writing (ensure that all parties recognize and "sign" the requirements, deliverables, and margins), and speaking of margin * build-in some margin (there WILL BE overruns, prepare for a percentage) * get objective help (a consultant or several or even a contracted partner) Regarding architecture, Z is initially about that awesome hardware. But you might need z/OS itself, for which you can get a range of supporting hardware and/or emulation. Lance mentions DB2, and we know that "DB2" on AIX is not the same as DB2 on MVS. Regarding re-write, there's no code more reliable than that which has been vetted over years (decades) of use. New code always has bugs. A re-write will therefore introduce bugs. This must of course be considered in context: if you're changing the system then you might uncover old bugs never seen before. I'm surely missing something important. But this is a forum, so someone else might see what I missed and chime in. :-) -- R; <>< On 8/30/23 10:17, Steve Thompson wrote: I do not have any experience with "cloud" mainframe per se. I do have experience with CaaS (Compiling as a Service). Contact me off line if you want into on that. I do have experience with outsourced mainframes having worked for ACS when they were in the biz. Per that experience, I predict that the initial costs will be wonderful and about 5 years out the costs will be above what was expected with a consideration of migrating back to in house (prem). Just based on how things went with ACS and some of its competitors where we had entities come in and go out. Steve Thompson On 8/21/2023 2:22 PM, Lance D. Jackson wrote: List, Has anyone had experience (good or bad) with migrating their mainframe Db2 workload from on-prem to the cloud? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: On-Prem to Cloud Mainframe Migration Experiences
I do ignore most of the silly comments. But, with global warming I can’t. Anyone who considers themselves a (computer) scientist, and can see Hawaii, Canada, Australia, California, burnt to a crisp, weather events far more extreme, the hottest July on record, and 99.999 percent of climate scientists in agreement, I had to respond. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Wednesday, August 30, 2023, 10:04 AM, Lionel B. Dyck wrote: Bill - it's easy to ignore - like I do 99.999% of the time - use the delete key. Lionel B. Dyck <>< Website: https://www.lbdsoftware.com Github: https://github.com/lbdyck “Worry more about your character than your reputation. Character is what you are, reputation merely what others think you are.” - - - John Wooden -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bill Johnson Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2023 8:56 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: On-Prem to Cloud Mainframe Migration Experiences I would love to, but can’t allow silly non mainframe comments by others go unchallenged. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Wednesday, August 30, 2023, 9:52 AM, Lionel B. Dyck wrote: Bill - please use some restraint and keep your posts focused on mainframe topics. Lionel B. Dyck <>< Website: https://www.lbdsoftware.com Github: https://github.com/lbdyck “Worry more about your character than your reputation. Character is what you are, reputation merely what others think you are.” - - - John Wooden -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bill Johnson Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2023 8:48 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: On-Prem to Cloud Mainframe Migration Experiences Clearly global warming is occurring. And if you think otherwise, you’re an ignorant fool. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Wednesday, August 30, 2023, 9:46 AM, David Spiegel <0468385049d1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: Clearly? ... If a few know-it-alls would stop spewing their hot air illogical theories, the temperature might come down a bit. On 2023-08-30 09:18, Bill Johnson wrote: > Wow, clearly global warming is fact while there is zero evidence of any gods > in the history of the world. > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Tuesday, August 29, 2023, 6:29 PM, David Elliot > wrote: > > Not seeing much in the way of responses to your question, Lance. Could > be you are asking an impossible question. like ' Is there a god?' or > 'is global warming real?' Were you expecting an outpouring of > enthusiasm for this nebulous technology? What were your experiences? > Did you get what you were promised or what you deserved? > > > > > On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 11:23 AM Lance D. Jackson < > ljack...@pandrueassociates.com> wrote: > >> List, >> >> Has anyone had experience (good or bad) with migrating their >> mainframe Db2 workload from on-prem to the cloud? >> >> - >> - For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO >> IBM-MAIN >> > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: On-Prem to Cloud Mainframe Migration Experiences
I do not have any experience with "cloud" mainframe per se. I do have experience with CaaS (Compiling as a Service). Contact me off line if you want into on that. I do have experience with outsourced mainframes having worked for ACS when they were in the biz. Per that experience, I predict that the initial costs will be wonderful and about 5 years out the costs will be above what was expected with a consideration of migrating back to in house (prem). Just based on how things went with ACS and some of its competitors where we had entities come in and go out. Steve Thompson On 8/21/2023 2:22 PM, Lance D. Jackson wrote: List, Has anyone had experience (good or bad) with migrating their mainframe Db2 workload from on-prem to the cloud? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: On-Prem to Cloud Mainframe Migration Experiences
Bill - it's easy to ignore - like I do 99.999% of the time - use the delete key. Lionel B. Dyck <>< Website: https://www.lbdsoftware.com Github: https://github.com/lbdyck “Worry more about your character than your reputation. Character is what you are, reputation merely what others think you are.” - - - John Wooden -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bill Johnson Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2023 8:56 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: On-Prem to Cloud Mainframe Migration Experiences I would love to, but can’t allow silly non mainframe comments by others go unchallenged. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Wednesday, August 30, 2023, 9:52 AM, Lionel B. Dyck wrote: Bill - please use some restraint and keep your posts focused on mainframe topics. Lionel B. Dyck <>< Website: https://www.lbdsoftware.com Github: https://github.com/lbdyck “Worry more about your character than your reputation. Character is what you are, reputation merely what others think you are.” - - - John Wooden -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bill Johnson Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2023 8:48 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: On-Prem to Cloud Mainframe Migration Experiences Clearly global warming is occurring. And if you think otherwise, you’re an ignorant fool. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Wednesday, August 30, 2023, 9:46 AM, David Spiegel <0468385049d1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: Clearly? ... If a few know-it-alls would stop spewing their hot air illogical theories, the temperature might come down a bit. On 2023-08-30 09:18, Bill Johnson wrote: > Wow, clearly global warming is fact while there is zero evidence of any gods > in the history of the world. > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Tuesday, August 29, 2023, 6:29 PM, David Elliot > wrote: > > Not seeing much in the way of responses to your question, Lance. Could > be you are asking an impossible question. like ' Is there a god?' or > 'is global warming real?' Were you expecting an outpouring of > enthusiasm for this nebulous technology? What were your experiences? > Did you get what you were promised or what you deserved? > > > > > On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 11:23 AM Lance D. Jackson < > ljack...@pandrueassociates.com> wrote: > >> List, >> >> Has anyone had experience (good or bad) with migrating their >> mainframe Db2 workload from on-prem to the cloud? >> >> - >> - For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO >> IBM-MAIN >> > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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I would love to, but can’t allow silly non mainframe comments by others go unchallenged. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Wednesday, August 30, 2023, 9:52 AM, Lionel B. Dyck wrote: Bill - please use some restraint and keep your posts focused on mainframe topics. Lionel B. Dyck <>< Website: https://www.lbdsoftware.com Github: https://github.com/lbdyck “Worry more about your character than your reputation. Character is what you are, reputation merely what others think you are.” - - - John Wooden -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bill Johnson Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2023 8:48 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: On-Prem to Cloud Mainframe Migration Experiences Clearly global warming is occurring. And if you think otherwise, you’re an ignorant fool. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Wednesday, August 30, 2023, 9:46 AM, David Spiegel <0468385049d1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: Clearly? ... If a few know-it-alls would stop spewing their hot air illogical theories, the temperature might come down a bit. On 2023-08-30 09:18, Bill Johnson wrote: > Wow, clearly global warming is fact while there is zero evidence of any gods > in the history of the world. > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Tuesday, August 29, 2023, 6:29 PM, David Elliot > wrote: > > Not seeing much in the way of responses to your question, Lance. Could > be you are asking an impossible question. like ' Is there a god?' or > 'is global warming real?' Were you expecting an outpouring of > enthusiasm for this nebulous technology? What were your experiences? > Did you get what you were promised or what you deserved? > > > > > On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 11:23 AM Lance D. Jackson < > ljack...@pandrueassociates.com> wrote: > >> List, >> >> Has anyone had experience (good or bad) with migrating their >> mainframe Db2 workload from on-prem to the cloud? >> >> - >> - For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO >> IBM-MAIN >> > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Bill - please use some restraint and keep your posts focused on mainframe topics. Lionel B. Dyck <>< Website: https://www.lbdsoftware.com Github: https://github.com/lbdyck “Worry more about your character than your reputation. Character is what you are, reputation merely what others think you are.” - - - John Wooden -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Bill Johnson Sent: Wednesday, August 30, 2023 8:48 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: On-Prem to Cloud Mainframe Migration Experiences Clearly global warming is occurring. And if you think otherwise, you’re an ignorant fool. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Wednesday, August 30, 2023, 9:46 AM, David Spiegel <0468385049d1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: Clearly? ... If a few know-it-alls would stop spewing their hot air illogical theories, the temperature might come down a bit. On 2023-08-30 09:18, Bill Johnson wrote: > Wow, clearly global warming is fact while there is zero evidence of any gods > in the history of the world. > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Tuesday, August 29, 2023, 6:29 PM, David Elliot > wrote: > > Not seeing much in the way of responses to your question, Lance. Could > be you are asking an impossible question. like ' Is there a god?' or > 'is global warming real?' Were you expecting an outpouring of > enthusiasm for this nebulous technology? What were your experiences? > Did you get what you were promised or what you deserved? > > > > > On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 11:23 AM Lance D. Jackson < > ljack...@pandrueassociates.com> wrote: > >> List, >> >> Has anyone had experience (good or bad) with migrating their >> mainframe Db2 workload from on-prem to the cloud? >> >> - >> - For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO >> IBM-MAIN >> > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: On-Prem to Cloud Mainframe Migration Experiences
Clearly global warming is occurring. And if you think otherwise, you’re an ignorant fool. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Wednesday, August 30, 2023, 9:46 AM, David Spiegel <0468385049d1-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: Clearly? ... If a few know-it-alls would stop spewing their hot air illogical theories, the temperature might come down a bit. On 2023-08-30 09:18, Bill Johnson wrote: > Wow, clearly global warming is fact while there is zero evidence of any gods > in the history of the world. > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Tuesday, August 29, 2023, 6:29 PM, David Elliot > wrote: > > Not seeing much in the way of responses to your question, Lance. Could be > you are asking an impossible question. like ' Is there a god?' or 'is > global warming real?' Were you expecting an outpouring of enthusiasm for > this nebulous technology? What were your experiences? Did you get what you > were promised or what you deserved? > > > > > On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 11:23 AM Lance D. Jackson < > ljack...@pandrueassociates.com> wrote: > >> List, >> >> Has anyone had experience (good or bad) with migrating their mainframe Db2 >> workload from on-prem to the cloud? >> >> -- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: On-Prem to Cloud Mainframe Migration Experiences
Clearly? ... If a few know-it-alls would stop spewing their hot air illogical theories, the temperature might come down a bit. On 2023-08-30 09:18, Bill Johnson wrote: Wow, clearly global warming is fact while there is zero evidence of any gods in the history of the world. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, August 29, 2023, 6:29 PM, David Elliot wrote: Not seeing much in the way of responses to your question, Lance. Could be you are asking an impossible question. like ' Is there a god?' or 'is global warming real?' Were you expecting an outpouring of enthusiasm for this nebulous technology? What were your experiences? Did you get what you were promised or what you deserved? On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 11:23 AM Lance D. Jackson < ljack...@pandrueassociates.com> wrote: List, Has anyone had experience (good or bad) with migrating their mainframe Db2 workload from on-prem to the cloud? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: On-Prem to Cloud Mainframe Migration Experiences
Wow, clearly global warming is fact while there is zero evidence of any gods in the history of the world. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, August 29, 2023, 6:29 PM, David Elliot wrote: Not seeing much in the way of responses to your question, Lance. Could be you are asking an impossible question. like ' Is there a god?' or 'is global warming real?' Were you expecting an outpouring of enthusiasm for this nebulous technology? What were your experiences? Did you get what you were promised or what you deserved? On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 11:23 AM Lance D. Jackson < ljack...@pandrueassociates.com> wrote: > List, > > Has anyone had experience (good or bad) with migrating their mainframe Db2 > workload from on-prem to the cloud? > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: On-Prem to Cloud Mainframe Migration Experiences
David, Actually, yours is the FIRST response to my query. I was primarily curious if anyone has had experience with this (not advocating for it). My client is exploring the possibilities, and I wanted to see if anyone has made the leap. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of David Elliot Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2023 18:29 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: On-Prem to Cloud Mainframe Migration Experiences Not seeing much in the way of responses to your question, Lance. Could be you are asking an impossible question. like ' Is there a god?' or 'is global warming real?' Were you expecting an outpouring of enthusiasm for this nebulous technology? What were your experiences? Did you get what you were promised or what you deserved? On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 11:23 AM Lance D. Jackson < ljack...@pandrueassociates.com> wrote: > List, > > Has anyone had experience (good or bad) with migrating their mainframe > Db2 workload from on-prem to the cloud? > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: On-Prem to Cloud Mainframe Migration Experiences
Not seeing much in the way of responses to your question, Lance. Could be you are asking an impossible question. like ' Is there a god?' or 'is global warming real?' Were you expecting an outpouring of enthusiasm for this nebulous technology? What were your experiences? Did you get what you were promised or what you deserved? On Mon, Aug 21, 2023 at 11:23 AM Lance D. Jackson < ljack...@pandrueassociates.com> wrote: > List, > > Has anyone had experience (good or bad) with migrating their mainframe Db2 > workload from on-prem to the cloud? > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: EXTERNAL EMAIL: On-Prem to Cloud Mainframe Migration Experiences
I have more 2 Federal system. One was literally on its last leg before the hardware failed Sent from my iPhone No one said I could type with one thumb > On Aug 21, 2023, at 18:04, Jerry Whitteridge > wrote: > > Define move to the cloud ? We moved all our z/OS systems to the zCloud > environment which obviously included the databases. Or are you asking about > moving z/OS DB2 to UDB DB2 ? > > J > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of > Lance D. Jackson > Sent: Monday, August 21, 2023 11:23 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: EXTERNAL EMAIL: On-Prem to Cloud Mainframe Migration Experiences > > List, > > Has anyone had experience (good or bad) with migrating their mainframe Db2 > workload from on-prem to the cloud? > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > Warning: All e-mail sent to this address will be received by the corporate > e-mail system, and is subject to archival and review by someone other than > the recipient. This e-mail may contain proprietary information and is > intended only for the use of the intended recipient(s). If the reader of this > message is not the intended recipient(s), you are notified that you have > received this message in error and that any review, dissemination, > distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have > received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately. > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: EXTERNAL EMAIL: On-Prem to Cloud Mainframe Migration Experiences
Define move to the cloud ? We moved all our z/OS systems to the zCloud environment which obviously included the databases. Or are you asking about moving z/OS DB2 to UDB DB2 ? J -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Lance D. Jackson Sent: Monday, August 21, 2023 11:23 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: EXTERNAL EMAIL: On-Prem to Cloud Mainframe Migration Experiences List, Has anyone had experience (good or bad) with migrating their mainframe Db2 workload from on-prem to the cloud? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN Warning: All e-mail sent to this address will be received by the corporate e-mail system, and is subject to archival and review by someone other than the recipient. This e-mail may contain proprietary information and is intended only for the use of the intended recipient(s). If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient(s), you are notified that you have received this message in error and that any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this message in error, please notify the sender immediately. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
On-Prem to Cloud Mainframe Migration Experiences
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