Re: Performance for DFDSS with ORACLE Tape Drives VSM5 ( was Change tape block size)

2014-05-14 Thread Victor Zhang
Hello, I've noticed a strange dss behavior and want ask explanation: After I finished dss backup, I always received a message similar to this: 15.29.56 JOB31114 IEC205I ODD,BKDS,BACKUP,FILESEQ=1, COMPLETE VOLUME LIST, 870 870 DSN=BKUP.D003,VOLS=PT0541,TOTALBLOCKS=12122 Is the

Re: Performance for DFDSS with ORACLE Tape Drives VSM5 ( was Change tape block size)

2014-05-14 Thread Mike Wood
Victor, IEC205I gets the TOTALBLOCKS from system control blocks. It should match what rmm records (gets it from same place.. Actually it depends on access method and whether that method maintains the block count fields. EXCP does not and the application must maintain it. The block count is

Re: Performance for DFDSS with ORACLE Tape Drives VSM5 ( was Change tape block size)

2014-05-14 Thread Joel C. Ewing
Prior to 3480's with IDRC the physical block size on tape corresponded to the block size sent across the channel by MVS and the maximum tape data transfer rate was invariably bounded by the physical tape drive speed and the relation mean-data-rate B/sec = percent-of-tape-used-for-data x

Re: Performance for DFDSS with ORACLE Tape Drives VSM5 ( was Change tape block size)

2014-05-14 Thread Ed Gould
On May 14, 2014, at 5:31 PM, Joel C. Ewing wrote: Prior to 3480's with IDRC the physical block size on tape corresponded to the block size sent across the channel by MVS and the maximum tape data transfer rate was invariably bounded by the physical tape drive speed and the relation

Re: Performance for DFDSS with ORACLE Tape Drives VSM5 ( was Change tape block size)

2014-05-14 Thread Joel C. Ewing
On 05/14/2014 07:03 PM, Ed Gould wrote: On May 14, 2014, at 5:31 PM, Joel C. Ewing wrote: Prior to 3480's with IDRC the physical block size on tape corresponded to the block size sent across the channel by MVS and the maximum tape data transfer rate was invariably bounded by the physical tape

Re: Performance for DFDSS with ORACLE Tape Drives VSM5 ( was Change tape block size)

2014-05-13 Thread Ron Hawkins
Victor, If I understand problem at the root of your questions, you are trying to speed up DFSMSdss logical dumps, especially for compressed PS-E data sets. From your questions you are focusing on the tape output rate as the gating factor for the elapsed time of the dump, but have you looked at

Re: Performance for DFDSS with ORACLE Tape Drives VSM5 ( was Change tape block size)

2014-05-13 Thread Skip Robinson
We had some issues a while back with VSM performance. I did research and experiments with various block sizes for tape data sets. Questions on IBM-MAIN and doc reading yielded some answers--though not necessarily solutions. -- Tape output is generally faster with larger block sizes. That's

Re: Performance for DFDSS with ORACLE Tape Drives VSM5 ( was Change tape block size)

2014-05-13 Thread Ed Gould
Skip: Our IBM SE (30+ years ago) wrote an orange manual (how many remember those?), About blocksize and tape. It pretty much said that use of a 32K blocksize as optimum for channel and tape utilization (this was 6250 BPI IIRC). Jim (our SE has retired) after serving time at the WSC and

Re: Performance for DFDSS with ORACLE Tape Drives VSM5 ( was Change tape block size)

2014-05-12 Thread Lizette Koehler
Victor, The blksize is not the only way to tune a process for efficiency. And in some cases, there is little you can do to affect some applications like DFDSS. If you are using the hardware for tape is virtual tape of oracle, vsm5. Then there may be nothing more you can do. Sometimes the

Re: Performance for DFDSS with ORACLE Tape Drives VSM5 ( was Change tape block size)

2014-05-12 Thread Staller, Allan
It is my recollection that, pretty much since the advent of buffered tape drives (e.g. 3590, 9840,... ) the actual blocksize written to tape is independent of what is specified in the JCL. In other words, it does not matter what you code in JCL, the actual data block written to physical tape

Re: Performance for DFDSS with ORACLE Tape Drives VSM5 ( was Change tape block size)

2014-05-12 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2014-05-12 21:02, Staller, Allan pisze: It is my recollection that, pretty much since the advent of buffered tape drives (e.g. 3590, 9840,... ) the actual blocksize written to tape is independent of what is specified in the JCL. In other words, it does not matter what you code in JCL,

Re: Performance for DFDSS with ORACLE Tape Drives VSM5 ( was Change tape block size)

2014-05-12 Thread Staller, Allan
Agreed. Low compression ratios will produce more blocks to actually be written to the tape, elongating total application time. snip W dniu 2014-05-12 21:02, Staller, Allan pisze: It is my recollection that, pretty much since the advent of buffered tape drives (e.g. 3590, 9840,... ) the

Re: Performance for DFDSS with ORACLE Tape Drives VSM5 ( was Change tape block size)

2014-05-12 Thread Pommier, Rex
So what gets sent down the channel? If I put BLKSIZE=1024 on my JCL for the output DD statement of the DFDSS dump job, will DFDSS dutifully send 1K blocks down the channel to the tape controller/drive and the hardware builds big blocks and writes the large block to the tape, or does DFDSS know

Re: Performance for DFDSS with ORACLE Tape Drives VSM5 ( was Change tape block size)

2014-05-12 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2014-05-12 21:16, Pommier, Rex pisze: So what gets sent down the channel? If I put BLKSIZE=1024 on my JCL for the output DD statement of the DFDSS dump job, will DFDSS dutifully send 1K blocks down the channel to the tape controller/drive and the hardware builds big blocks and writes

Re: Performance for DFDSS with ORACLE Tape Drives VSM5 ( was Change tape block size)

2014-05-12 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2014-05-12 21:12, Staller, Allan pisze: Agreed. Low compression ratios will produce more blocks to actually be written to the tape, elongating total application time. High compression is not good also. BTDT. The optimal compression is the one assumed by the vendor, usually 3:1 *IBM) or