Re: SNA vs TCP/IP (was: z/OS is antique ...)

2013-11-11 Thread Scott Ford
Shmuel, I don't know if one can compare UDP or TCP/IP to SDLC..especially with all the work done by the The NCP for example in front end processors, I.e.; 3745.. Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' On Nov 10, 2013, at 9:28 AM, Shmuel Metz

Re: SNA vs TCP/IP (was: z/OS is antique ...)

2013-11-11 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In e19093b1-b70e-4f98-9c5a-c0aeb5409...@yahoo.com, on 11/11/2013 at 08:08 AM, Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com said: I don't know if one can compare UDP or TCP/IP to SDLC..especially with all the work done by the The NCP for example in front end processors, I.e.; 3745.. You brought up error

Re: SNA vs TCP/IP (was: z/OS is antique ...)

2013-11-11 Thread Scott Ford
Shmuel, Very true you pay for it somewhere in the application layer or the protocol. Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' On Nov 11, 2013, at 4:46 PM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) shmuel+ibm-m...@patriot.net wrote: In

Re: SNA vs TCP/IP (was: z/OS is antique ...)

2013-11-10 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 2584076656382863.wa.paulgboulderaim@listserv.ua.edu, on 11/09/2013 at 12:12 PM, Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com said: Imagine an alterate universe without TCP/IP but an Internet very simlar to ours; Google; Facebook; Skype; iTunes; NetFlix; and all; all running (FSVO) smoothly on

Re: SNA vs TCP/IP (was: z/OS is antique ...)

2013-11-10 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In 35aa33f2-c486-486a-8400-15f55d1c2...@yahoo.com, on 11/09/2013 at 02:20 PM, Scott Ford scott_j_f...@yahoo.com said: I think that's a IBM question...bandwidth SDLC required more for error recovery, for example. How so? Admittedly SDLC took more bandwidth for error recovery than UDP g,dr.

Re: SNA vs TCP/IP (was: z/OS is antique ...)

2013-11-10 Thread Scott Ford
Ed, I would like to say using SNI made life easier. Especially when you have company who like their own kingdoms Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' On Nov 9, 2013, at 3:57 PM, Ed Gould edgould1...@comcast.net wrote: Paul, A LONG LONG

SNA vs TCP/IP (was: z/OS is antique ...)

2013-11-09 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Tue, 5 Nov 2013 11:49:40 -0800, Jon Perryman wrote: ... sad that he's bringing others to the dark side. ... * z/OS: SNA existed long before TCP/IP was available. SNA was a robust, reliable and secure communications methodology. Once TCP was became available, we had the same situation as

Re: SNA vs TCP/IP (was: z/OS is antique ...)

2013-11-09 Thread Jon Perryman
From: Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Saturday, November 9, 2013 10:12 AM Subject: SNA vs TCP/IP (was: z/OS is antique ...) On Tue, 5 Nov 2013 11:49:40 -0800, Jon Perryman  wrote: ... sad that he's bringing others to the dark

Re: SNA vs TCP/IP (was: z/OS is antique ...)

2013-11-09 Thread Scott Ford
, November 9, 2013 10:12 AM Subject: SNA vs TCP/IP (was: z/OS is antique ...) On Tue, 5 Nov 2013 11:49:40 -0800, Jon Perryman wrote: ... sad that he's bringing others to the dark side. ... * z/OS: SNA existed long before TCP/IP was available. SNA was a robust, reliable and secure

Re: SNA vs TCP/IP (was: z/OS is antique ...)

2013-11-09 Thread Paul Gilmartin
On Sat, 9 Nov 2013 11:03:43 -0800, Jon Perryman jperr...@pacbell.net wrote: The DARK SIDE was not in reference to TCP/IP. “Merely corroborative detail, intended to give artistic verisimilitude to an otherwise bald and unconvincing narrative. -- WSG As far as TCP over SNA, we can easily list as

Re: SNA vs TCP/IP (was: z/OS is antique ...)

2013-11-09 Thread Aled Hughes
Subject: SNA vs TCP/IP (was: z/OS is antique ...) On Tue, 5 Nov 2013 11:49:40 -0800, Jon Perryman wrote: ... sad that he's bringing others to the dark side. ... * z/OS: SNA existed long before TCP/IP was available. SNA was a robust, reliable and secure communications methodology. Once TCP

Re: SNA vs TCP/IP (was: z/OS is antique ...)

2013-11-09 Thread Scott Ford
, but did we get 'the best'? I doubt it. ALH -Original Message- From: Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com To: IBM-MAIN IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Sat, 9 Nov 2013 13:12 Subject: SNA vs TCP/IP (was: z/OS is antique ...) On Tue, 5 Nov 2013 11:49:40 -0800, Jon Perryman

Re: SNA vs TCP/IP (was: z/OS is antique ...)

2013-11-09 Thread Ed Gould
Paul, A LONG LONG time ago we had bumped in to the maxsuba of 255. IBM almost simultaneously came out with a outrageously expensive add on (memory was $5000 a month) to get rid of it. My management said NFW to the cost and told me to live with it. We had to start turning away customers and

Re: SNA vs TCP/IP (was: z/OS is antique ...)

2013-11-09 Thread Scott Ford
Ed, Agreed, I did that on a worldwide basis..a lot of manual overhead Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' On Nov 9, 2013, at 3:57 PM, Ed Gould edgould1...@comcast.net wrote: Paul, A LONG LONG time ago we had bumped in to the maxsuba of