Re: Why is the System Data Sets book no longer deemed useful?

2014-12-01 Thread John Eells
First, I can't resist saying that as it seems to have taken a full decade for members of this group to perceive a significant lack, it seems the decision to drop the book was a good one! That aside, the vast majority of customers install z/OS using ServerPac. ServerPac, in turn, provides far

Re: Why is the System Data Sets book no longer deemed useful?

2014-12-01 Thread Linda
Hi John, I have seen and used the ServerPac resources you mentioned and found them very helpful and useful. What about the majority who do not have access to ServerPac? With role based security these days, many, perhaps most, do not have access. Thanks, Linda Sent from my iPhone On Dec

Re: Why is the System Data Sets book no longer deemed useful?

2014-12-01 Thread John Eells
Once the data sets have all been allocated for the first time, for most things you can model after one that exists and tweak as needed. But for formal documentation, people without READ access to the ServerPac data sets *should* be able to find allocation information for individual data sets

Re: Why is the System Data Sets book no longer deemed useful?

2014-12-01 Thread Linda
Hi John, It is management that approves access - or not! And if IBM packs documentation that appears to be only for the installer, that is who it is for, paraphrasing here. sigh. Just the way it is. Linda Sent from my iPhone On Dec 1, 2014, at 12:03 PM, John Eells ee...@us.ibm.com wrote:

Re: Why is the System Data Sets book no longer deemed useful?

2014-11-24 Thread Cheryl Walker
Hi, Is this the manual you're thinking of? SC23-6855-02z/OS (2.1) DFSMS Using Data Sets - http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/epubs/pdf/dgt3d402.pdf Best regards, Cheryl == Cheryl Watson Watson Walker, Inc. www.watsonwalker.com cell text: 941-266-6609

Re: Why is the System Data Sets book no longer deemed useful?

2014-11-24 Thread Don Poitras
Cheryl, No, they're talking about a book that describes the SYS1.* datasets. I found an old copy online: http://publibz.boulder.ibm.com/epubs/pdf/iea1g510.pdf In article 26cfc99c-f886-46db-9e93-baf552eeb...@gmail.com you wrote: Hi, Is this the manual you're thinking of? SC23-6855-02

Re: Why is the System Data Sets book no longer deemed useful?

2014-11-24 Thread Joel Ewing
From looking at the old iealg510 manual, it really would need a lot of work to make it more accurate. It should mention all system data sets that have special requirements - e.g., must be cataloged in Master Catalog, must be on the SYSRES or the IPL volume, must be PDS not PDSE, must exist but

Re: Why is the System Data Sets book no longer deemed useful?

2014-11-24 Thread Cheryl Walker
Hi Don, Thanks for the manual. I remember that one now. I just checked with IBM, and here's what they said: Our records show that z/OS MVS System Data Set Definition was removed on August 24, 2004. Here's the explanation: Deleted: z/OS MVS System Data Set Definition, SA22-7629:

Re: Why is the System Data Sets book no longer deemed useful?

2014-11-24 Thread nitz-...@gmx.net
Deleted: z/OS MVS System Data Set Definition, SA22-7629: Information about system data sets is available with the information sent with the z/OS install package. There is no replacement reference for MVS System Data Set Definition, except for references to cataloging. In that one instance,

Re: Why is the System Data Sets book no longer deemed useful?

2014-11-23 Thread nitz-...@gmx.net
When did it last exist? I have V1R10 docs here and I don't see it. I found one in the z/OS V1.1 bookshelf SA22-7629-00 says First Edition, March 2001. I have either always copied it over in .boo format or this was contained in some sort of 'release DVD' when I downloaded the next

Re: Why is the System Data Sets book no longer deemed useful?

2014-11-22 Thread Charles Mills
Data Sets book no longer deemed useful? As the System Data Set Definition book hasn't been published in rather a long time ... Why is this? Isn't this a valuable book for those new to z/OS (and for us old guys with shrinking memories as well)? IBM makes us believe how serious they take

Re: Why is the System Data Sets book no longer deemed useful?

2014-11-22 Thread Peter Hunkeler
When did it last exist? I have V1R10 docs here and I don't see it. I found one in the z/OS V1.1 bookshelf -- Peter Hunkeler -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to

Why is the System Data Sets book no longer deemed useful?

2014-11-21 Thread Peter Hunkeler
As the System Data Set Definition book hasn't been published in rather a long time ... Why is this? Isn't this a valuable book for those new to z/OS (and for us old guys with shrinking memories as well)? IBM makes us believe how serious they take it to get new people aboard on z/OS. Good,