Re: [External] Re: mainframe distribution

2018-03-27 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2018-03-20 o 19:53, Pommier, Rex pisze: Heck, I don't even know how many installations are in my city - and that's only a couple hundred thousand people! IMHO it very hard (close to impossible) to collect good information about sites without sligltly compromissing company information.

Re: mainframe distribution

2018-03-26 Thread Wayne Bickerdike
Australia may have zero VSE shops now. z/OS, at a guess would be between 80-200. On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 7:51 PM, Dejan Stamatovic wrote: > Just for the sake of anybody’s interest. > > There in Serbia (a small European market) we have: > > 4 z/OS installations > > 1 VSE

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2018-03-26 Thread ITschak Mugzach
The numbers I have (for z/OS) from a big distro in the states talks about 3,500 in the North America. I believe the numbers are about 5,500-6,000. ITschak On Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 7:52 PM, Tomasz Rola wrote: > On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 03:51:24AM -0500, Dejan Stamatovic wrote:

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2018-03-26 Thread Tomasz Rola
On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 03:51:24AM -0500, Dejan Stamatovic wrote: > Just for the sake of anybody’s interest. > > There in Serbia (a small European market) we have: > > 4 z/OS installations > > 1 VSE installations > > Do not know whether this proves anybody's point but there it is! So, quick

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2018-03-21 Thread Dejan Stamatovic
Just for the sake of anybody’s interest. There in Serbia (a small European market) we have: 4 z/OS installations 1 VSE installations Do not know whether this proves anybody's point but there it is! -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe

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2018-03-20 Thread Charles Mills
ssage- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of ITschak Mugzach Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 12:47 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: mainframe distribution Phil, It is funny they are trying to hide it. The information can be collected

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2018-03-20 Thread Porowski, Kenneth
. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Phil Smith Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2018 3:29 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] mainframe distribution ITschak Mugzach wrote: >I wonder if anyone (vendors, maybe)

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2018-03-20 Thread ITschak Mugzach
Phil, It is funny they are trying to hide it. The information can be collected from free resources like job seeking portals, linkedin searches, etc. it's just a question of time one has to invest collecting this info. IBM or any other vendor can't block clients from posting jobs. As IBM claims

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2018-03-20 Thread Phil Smith
ITschak Mugzach wrote: >I wonder if anyone (vendors, maybe) has an insight into the mainframe market >... (And then after various discussion): >Strange it is so hard to collect this information. Why? It's proprietary information for IBM about their market. As a vendor for the last 35 years,

Re: [External] Re: mainframe distribution

2018-03-20 Thread ITschak Mugzach
opment, etc is elsewhere, they just have a data center here. Which of > these qualifies as a site or an installation? > > Rex > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of zMan > Sent: Tuesday, March

Re: [External] Re: mainframe distribution

2018-03-20 Thread Pommier, Rex
PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [External] Re: mainframe distribution Same problem. We have a lot of BIG states, with widely spaced cities... On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 1:35 PM, ITschak Mugzach <imugz...@gmail.com> wrote: > So let's divide it into states... > > On Tue, Mar

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2018-03-20 Thread zMan
Same problem. We have a lot of BIG states, with widely spaced cities... On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 1:35 PM, ITschak Mugzach wrote: > So let's divide it into states... > > On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 7:01 PM, zMan wrote: > > > Maybe in smaller countries. In

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2018-03-20 Thread ITschak Mugzach
at most of us aware of the number of sites in their country. > > They look for jobs from time to time, meet others in couses, fairs, etc. > > Number should not be 100% accurate. > > > > ITschak > > > > בתאריך 20 במרץ 2018 16:15,‏ "Charles Mills" &l

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2018-03-20 Thread zMan
; Number should not be 100% accurate. > > ITschak > > בתאריך 20 במרץ 2018 16:15,‏ "Charles Mills" <charl...@mcn.org> כתב: > > > > can we back to the main issue here: Mainframe distribution"? > > > > Those who know don't say; those who say don't k

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2018-03-20 Thread ITschak Mugzach
back to the main issue here: Mainframe distribution"? > > Those who know don't say; those who say don't know. > > The question comes up here from time to time and the answer is always the > same. > > Charles > > ---

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2018-03-20 Thread Charles Mills
> can we back to the main issue here: Mainframe distribution"? Those who know don't say; those who say don't know. The question comes up here from time to time and the answer is always the same. Charles -- For

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2018-03-20 Thread ITschak Mugzach
Brend, ​Ten twins and none of them if Asia? Please recommend the city of Stuttgart have a twin city in Israel ;-) I can recommend some, if needed... And, Ladies & Gentlemen, can we back to the main issue here: Mainframe distribution"? ITschak בתאריך 20 במרץ 2018 0:20,‏ "

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2018-03-19 Thread Bernd Oppolzer
Am 19.03.2018 um 17:57 schrieb R.S.: Bernd, I know the installation and know people related to it. Note: your 4381 was replaced with P/390 and after few years mainframe completely switched off. For my knowledge they have never used VSE in production. What they used was ODRA emulator under

Re: mainframe distribution

2018-03-19 Thread Bernd Oppolzer
Am 19.03.2018 um 17:07 schrieb Tony Harminc: On 19 March 2018 at 11:45, Bernd Oppolzer wrote: Stuttgart and Lodz are partner towns (jumelage in French, don't know the English expression). Often the expressions "twin towns" or "twin cities" are used, which is

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2018-03-19 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
m...@beer.at (Mike Beer) writes: > https://www-03.ibm.com/systems/z/os/zvse/about/history1970s.html Endicott told me there was 6kbytes available for assist microcode ... I was to identify the highest used code paths in the vm370 kernel for replication in microcode. (standard 370 kernel

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2018-03-19 Thread Seymour J Metz
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2018-03-19 Thread Mike Beer
rame Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> Im Auftrag von Bernd Oppolzer Gesendet: 19 March, 2018 16:45 An: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Betreff: Re: mainframe distribution Am 19.03.2018 um 10:52 schrieb R.S.: > W dniu 2018-03-19 o 06:24, ITschak Mugzach pisze: >> I wonder if any

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2018-03-19 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2018-03-19 o 16:45, Bernd Oppolzer pisze: Am 19.03.2018 um 10:52 schrieb R.S.: W dniu 2018-03-19 o 06:24, ITschak Mugzach pisze: I wonder if anyone (vendors, maybe) has an insight into the mainframe market size:     - number of sites     - vse vs zos     - continental distribution    

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2018-03-19 Thread ITschak Mugzach
received at this email > address. > > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of ITschak Mugzach > Sent: Monday, March 19, 2018 1:25 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: [IBM-MAIN] mainframe di

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2018-03-19 Thread Porowski, Kenneth
List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of ITschak Mugzach Sent: Monday, March 19, 2018 1:25 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: [IBM-MAIN] mainframe distribution I wonder if anyone (vendors, maybe) has an insight into the mainframe market size: - number of sites - vse vs

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2018-03-19 Thread Tony Harminc
On 19 March 2018 at 11:45, Bernd Oppolzer wrote: > Stuttgart and Lodz are partner towns (jumelage in French, > don't know the English expression). Often the expressions "twin towns" or "twin cities" are used, which is exactly translatable with the French term. But

Re: mainframe distribution

2018-03-19 Thread Bernd Oppolzer
Am 19.03.2018 um 10:52 schrieb R.S.: W dniu 2018-03-19 o 06:24, ITschak Mugzach pisze: I wonder if anyone (vendors, maybe) has an insight into the mainframe market size:     - number of sites     - vse vs zos     - continental distribution     - sectiors IBM? I'm pretty sure IBM is not

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2018-03-19 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2018-03-19 o 12:41, Steve Horein pisze: Always an interesting question, but how useful/practical is the answer? Curiosity? -- Radoslaw Skorupka Lodz, Poland == -- Treść tej wiadomości może zawierać

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2018-03-19 Thread Steve Horein
Always an interesting question, but how useful/practical is the answer? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN

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2018-03-19 Thread R.S.
z/OS sites - approx. 50, but majority is small. Only 5 sites above 1000 MIPS. (I know all of them, worked somehow for significant part of them) AS/400 aka System i -  I have no idea. I know few installations, but I don't know what is the part of whole picture. People say, in early 2000's the

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2018-03-19 Thread ITschak Mugzach
I know i am not the first to ask... becoming an IBMer is not an option... ITschak בתאריך 19 במרץ 2018 12:51,‏ "Elardus Engelbrecht" < elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za> כתב: > ITschak Mugzach wrote: > > >How about z/os sites? As/400 sites? I am sure 3rd party vendors has the > information, at

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2018-03-19 Thread Elardus Engelbrecht
ITschak Mugzach wrote: >How about z/os sites? As/400 sites? I am sure 3rd party vendors has the >information, at least partially. >Un Israel there are about 10 VSE sites and 15 z/os. AS/400 is much more >popular. It could be easier if you could try obtaining the formula of coca-cola or KFC

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2018-03-19 Thread ITschak Mugzach
Thanks. How about z/os sites? As/400 sites? I am sure 3rd party vendors has the information, at least partially. Un Israel there are about 10 VSE sites and 15 z/os. AS/400 is much more popular. ITschak On Mon, Mar 19, 2018 at 11:52 AM, R.S. wrote: > W dniu

Re: mainframe distribution

2018-03-19 Thread R.S.
W dniu 2018-03-19 o 06:24, ITschak Mugzach pisze: I wonder if anyone (vendors, maybe) has an insight into the mainframe market size: - number of sites - vse vs zos - continental distribution - sectiors IBM? I'm pretty sure IBM is not wiling to share this information. Maybe

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2018-03-18 Thread ITschak Mugzach
I wonder if anyone (vendors, maybe) has an insight into the mainframe market size: - number of sites - vse vs zos - continental distribution - sectiors ITschak -- ITschak Mugzach *|** IronSphere Platform* *|* *Information Security Contiguous Monitoring for Legacy **| *