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Jesse 1 Robinson
Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2019 6:19 PM
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Subject: Re: z/OS 1.12 question
It's difficult for
unday, January 13, 2019 10:43 AM
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Subject: Re: z/OS 1.12 question
One product I discussed here last year. There was a change in TSO/E that caused
StarTool to fail from the get-go. (Same problem with CBT
PDS command.) For whatever reason the 'fix' was a whole new
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Of Brian Westerman
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That's a pretty odd thing to happen from 2.1 to 2.3. What products were
involved? I can see if the product had some ties
That's a pretty odd thing to happen from 2.1 to 2.3. What products were
involved? I can see if the product had some ties into JES2 and you had to
reassemble or relink the interface, but that can happen just by adding
maintenance to any system. It's really odd for almost any vendor product to
On 1/12/2019 3:19 PM, Jesse 1 Robinson wrote:
It's difficult for a mere monogamistic sysprog to challenge a polyamorous
expert, but I can certify that in my shop two products failed to work *at all*
in the upgrade to 2.3 from 2.1. This was despite having upgraded several other
products over th
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I respectfully disagree. Upgrading when it's not nec
bject: Re: z/OS 1.12 question
On 1/10/2019 5:12 PM, Tom Conley wrote:
> Good to know folks out there aren't exploiting extended GDG's.
Which is amazing considering, without that support, you can't even maintain one
generation per day for a year! =-O
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I respectfully disagree. Upgrading when it's not necessary can be
counter-productive for some sites. While many vendor products do require some
maintenance to "fully" function, especially those that interact directly with
the OS, that doesn't mean that older versions won't work, and in fact, s
Thanks for the correction, Jim. I was going by an IBM presentation that
suggested z/OS 1.13 was the first release to get a "pure z/Architecture"
IPL, but sometimes there are "unadvertised" details from people in the
know. Much appreciated.
There are some toleration PTFs (available under extended s
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On 1/9/2019 11:05 PM, Brian Westerman wrote:
> Most, if not all, of the installed (vendor) software at 1.12 will w
On 1/10/2019 5:12 PM, Tom Conley wrote:
Good to know folks out there aren't exploiting extended GDG's.
Which is amazing considering, without that support, you can't even
maintain one generation per day for a year! =-O
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Edward E. Jaffe
831 Parkview Drive Nor
On 1/10/2019 7:20 PM, Ed Jaffe wrote:
On 1/9/2019 11:05 PM, Brian Westerman wrote:
Most, if not all, of the installed (vendor) software at 1.12 will work
perfectly fine at 2.3.
Don't know about most, but ALL seems highly unlikely.
I can state with certainty that *every one* of the z/OS-based
On 1/9/2019 11:05 PM, Brian Westerman wrote:
Most, if not all, of the installed (vendor) software at 1.12 will work
perfectly fine at 2.3.
Don't know about most, but ALL seems highly unlikely.
I can state with certainty that *every one* of the z/OS-based products
we run here from other ISVs
Thanks Jim. It might be something to at least try with a sandbox LPAR.
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Thanks Brian.
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Subject: Re: z/OS 1.12 question
The OP needs to remember though that none of (or
The OP needs to remember though that none of (or only very little of) that
information is necessary. Assuming they share DASD, they can install the new
z/OS 2.2 or 2.3 (I would go with 2.3) software for the z14 from the z10, after
the first IPL of the z14 the cut-over from one to the other is d
gt; From: "Timothy Sipples"
> To: ibm-main@listserv.ua.edu
> Date: 01/10/2019 12:58 AM
> Subject: Re: z/OS 1.12 question
>
> To elaborate a bit on the possible technical reasons why z/OS 1.12
probably
> won't work on an IBM z14 machine, even if you've appl
To elaborate a bit on the possible technical reasons why z/OS 1.12 probably
won't work on an IBM z14 machine, even if you've applied every PTF you can
lay your hands on to z/OS 1.12, the z14 is the first machine model to drop
ESA/390 IPL support. As background, when IBM introduced z/Architecture
(6
Thanks Timothy
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Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2019 1:55 AM
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Subject: Re: z/OS 1.12 question
IBM offered extended support for z/OS 1.12 through
Thanks Brian.
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Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2019 4:07 AM
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Subject: Re: z/OS 1.12 question
While we didn't have exactly the same hardwar
While we didn't have exactly the same hardware mix, at one of our clients in
November we were able to place a z14 and a z9 (with z/OS 1.12) side by side
(shared DASD) and installed z/OS 2.3 on the z14 by downloading and doing the
base installation of zos from the z9, then ipling the z14 and com
I ran this by someone who really knows what he is doing concerning upgrades and
here is what he recommended:
> He can't run 1.12 on the new z14s, and he doesn't want to even think about
> all the patching for 1.13 or 2.1. His best bet is to go to 2.2 on his z10,
> then put the z14s patches on
IBM offered extended support for z/OS 1.12 through September 30, 2017, for
a fee. That end date was "close enough" to miss the first shipments of the
first IBM z14 machines. To my knowledge IBM never did the work to make z/OS
1.12 tolerate the IBM z14 machines, so if that particular combination wor
2019 2:54 PM
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>
> I dont see why he couldnt install z/OS 1.13 on the old box, then move that
> to the new box and upgrade...
>
> Joe
>
> On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 1:37 PM Ed Jaffe
> wrote:
>
> > On 1/7/20
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Subject: Re: z/OS 1.12 question
I dont see why he couldnt install z/OS 1.13 on the old box, then move that to
the new box and upgrade...
Joe
On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 1:37 PM Ed Jaffe wrote:
> On 1/7/2019 5:47 AM, Edgington, Jerry wrote:
> > Our current situati
I dont see why he couldnt install z/OS 1.13 on the old box, then move that
to the new box and upgrade...
Joe
On Mon, Jan 7, 2019 at 1:37 PM Ed Jaffe wrote:
> On 1/7/2019 5:47 AM, Edgington, Jerry wrote:
> > Our current situation is, we have zBC10 running z/OS v1.12. We want to
> upgrade everyt
: Re: z/OS 1.12 question
On 1/7/2019 5:47 AM, Edgington, Jerry wrote:
> Our current situation is, we have zBC10 running z/OS v1.12. We want to
> upgrade everything to current, including z/OS and hardware. I understand we
> can't get support for either z/OS or zBC12, but I am looki
On 1/7/2019 5:47 AM, Edgington, Jerry wrote:
Our current situation is, we have zBC10 running z/OS v1.12. We want to upgrade
everything to current, including z/OS and hardware. I understand we can't get
support for either z/OS or zBC12, but I am looking for options and if anyone
has successfu
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> Sent: Monday, January 07, 2019 8:42 AM
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>
> I must have misinterpreted the following then:
>
> " If not, any ideas of how to get z/OS *and* hardware upgrade to current."
>
>
> -Or
Thank you very much.
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Of R.S.
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2019 9:28 AM
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Subject: Re: z/OS 1.12 question
Jerry,
In that scenario I would do the following:
Install
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Subject: Re: z/OS 1.12 question
I must have misinterpreted the following then:
" If not, any ideas of how to get z/OS *and* hardware upgrade to current."
-Ori
rade to current."
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Of R.S.
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2019 8:26 AM
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Subject: Re: z/OS 1.12 question
IMHO the COD has nothing to do here.
Jerry wrote about mahcine chang
onday, January 07, 2019 8:42 AM
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Subject: Re: z/OS 1.12 question
I must have misinterpreted the following then:
" If not, any ideas of how to get z/OS *and* hardware upgrade to current."
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IMHO the COD has nothing to do here.
Jerry wrote about mahcine change (upgrade) , not OS upgrade.
Jerry,
Your system is out of service. That means you won't be able to get *for
free* any PTFs released after EOS date. That means your
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> > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2019 7:57 AM
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> > Subject: z/OS 1.12 question
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f Edgington, Jerry
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2019 7:57 AM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: z/OS 1.12 question
As anyone upgraded a z/OS 1.12 from zBC10 to z14, directly? If so, what issues
or gothas were there? Anything to look at for? If not, any ideas of how to get
z/OS and hardware upg
(GA32-0890) at the z/OS Internet Library.
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Of Edgington, Jerry
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2019 7:57 AM
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Subject: z/OS 1.12 question
As anyone upgraded a z/OS 1.12 f
As anyone upgraded a z/OS 1.12 from zBC10 to z14, directly? If so, what issues
or gothas were there? Anything to look at for? If not, any ideas of how to get
z/OS and hardware upgrade to current.
Thanks,
Jerry Edgington
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