Re: z/OS 2.1 DVD Collection - Software Products
Dana, Documentation should be as good as the product , IMHO. But I know it's difficult to cover everything in the manuals. My issue with some of the documentation is good working examples. This I don't feel is impossible especially with the guys at IBM. These folks usually are super good.. Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' On Dec 17, 2013, at 10:01 AM, Dana Mitchell mitchd...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 14:13:12 +, Staller, Allan allan.stal...@kbmg.com wrote: Are you listening IBM? Unless someone can make a compelling business case that IBM improving the documentation will increase IBM's revenue (EPS) in some major way, then it's going to continue to get it's funding cut as it has in the past. Dana -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS 2.1 DVD Collection - Software Products
On Mon, 16 Dec 2013 08:35:26 -0600, Kevin Minerley wrote: Until KC is fully in place, we will try to provide quarterly updates of the elements and features xks shelves when they change and we do try to ensure the are ALS indexed so that the search is nearly that of a BOO (it uses a BKI under the covers against the PDFs). This includes task shelves such as messages and codes. We have made all shelves downloadable from the external IBM Publications Center. Softcopy Librarian still works with them. I took the opportunity to have a longer look at the z/OS KC today. Allowing for the fact it is a (early) beta, I found the personal collection and incessant re-downloading of manuals I revisited less than intuitive (it's likely I happened upon a poor candidate manual or two - happens). The search is useless at present, but I'm prepared to accept that is a time/resourcing limitation issue. Certainly has prospects - hopefully the Christmas/New year period will be quiet enough for me to spend some more time becoming acquainted. Shane ... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS 2.1 DVD Collection - Software Products
More improvements that don't improve... The new tools are neither as fast, reliable, or available as their predecessors! Are you listening IBM? snip I took the opportunity to have a longer look at the z/OS KC today. Allowing for the fact it is a (early) beta, I found the personal collection and incessant re-downloading of manuals I revisited less than intuitive (it's likely I happened upon a poor candidate manual or two - happens). The search is useless at present, but I'm prepared to accept that is a time/resourcing limitation issue. Certainly has prospects - hopefully the Christmas/New year period will be quiet enough for me to spend some more time becoming acquainted. /snip -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS 2.1 DVD Collection - Software Products
On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 14:13:12 +, Staller, Allan allan.stal...@kbmg.com wrote: Are you listening IBM? Unless someone can make a compelling business case that IBM improving the documentation will increase IBM's revenue (EPS) in some major way, then it's going to continue to get it's funding cut as it has in the past. Dana -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS 2.1 DVD Collection - Software Products
On 2013-12-17, at 07:13, Staller, Allan wrote: Are you listening IBM? Sure they are: The corporate direction to Information Centers and, soon, Knowledge Centers (KC) -- especially the latter -- is supposed to help re-federate information. Is re-federate a word? -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS 2.1 DVD Collection - Software Products
're-federate' with the hyphen is a a very dubious word; without the hyphen and interpreteted as a verb it presumably means to reconstitute a quondam federation that is/was in dissolution. In an IBM SCD it is a feel-good noise word that does not denote anything specific and makes no specific commitments. Its use at all does suggest that the existence of a problem is being acknowledged. John Gilmore, Ashland, MA 01721 - USA -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS 2.1 DVD Collection - Software Products
Just gimme the book. PDF please. Doug -- Original Message -- From: Paul Gilmartin paulgboul...@aim.com To: IBM-MAIN@listserv.ua.edu Sent: 12/17/2013 11:04:46 AM Subject: Re: z/OS 2.1 DVD Collection - Software Products The corporate direction to Information Centers and, soon, Knowledge Centers (KC) -- especially the latter -- is supposed to help re-federate information. Is re-federate a word? -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS 2.1 DVD Collection - Software Products
Dana: Not sure I agree with you 100 percent. I think that a long time ago that IBM sat up and listened at SHARE was just around the time of OCO. IBM sent a strong contingent to SHARE about documentation and they seemed to listen! For a while documentation got a lot better (except for OE stuff which has never been adequate). Ed On Dec 17, 2013, at 9:01 AM, Dana Mitchell wrote: On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 14:13:12 +, Staller, Allan allan.stal...@kbmg.com wrote: Are you listening IBM? Unless someone can make a compelling business case that IBM improving the documentation will increase IBM's revenue (EPS) in some major way, then it's going to continue to get it's funding cut as it has in the past. Dana -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS 2.1 DVD Collection - Software Products
Ed, Unfortunately, it's like being a large sales IBM customer and all of a sudden you decide to switch mainframe vendor what happens ? Money talks in my experience so far. It's a pity too. Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' On Dec 17, 2013, at 1:07 PM, Ed Gould edgould1...@comcast.net wrote: Dana: Not sure I agree with you 100 percent. I think that a long time ago that IBM sat up and listened at SHARE was just around the time of OCO. IBM sent a strong contingent to SHARE about documentation and they seemed to listen! For a while documentation got a lot better (except for OE stuff which has never been adequate). Ed On Dec 17, 2013, at 9:01 AM, Dana Mitchell wrote: On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 14:13:12 +, Staller, Allan allan.stal...@kbmg.com wrote: Are you listening IBM? Unless someone can make a compelling business case that IBM improving the documentation will increase IBM's revenue (EPS) in some major way, then it's going to continue to get it's funding cut as it has in the past. Dana -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS 2.1 DVD Collection - Software Products
Scott: Well that is pretty major. However IBM had farmed their sales out to a less than good set of people. If you buy from them you are small meat . They chew you out and spit through the teeth. (BTDTGTTS and its rotten) Face it you have the problem no matter what so you use SHARE to the biggest advantage and call a rotten APPLE just that. Ed On Dec 17, 2013, at 4:35 PM, Scott Ford wrote: Ed, Unfortunately, it's like being a large sales IBM customer and all of a sudden you decide to switch mainframe vendor what happens ? Money talks in my experience so far. It's a pity too. Scott ford www.identityforge.com from my IPAD 'Infinite wisdom through infinite means' On Dec 17, 2013, at 1:07 PM, Ed Gould edgould1...@comcast.net wrote: Dana: Not sure I agree with you 100 percent. I think that a long time ago that IBM sat up and listened at SHARE was just around the time of OCO. IBM sent a strong contingent to SHARE about documentation and they seemed to listen! For a while documentation got a lot better (except for OE stuff which has never been adequate). Ed On Dec 17, 2013, at 9:01 AM, Dana Mitchell wrote: On Tue, 17 Dec 2013 14:13:12 +, Staller, Allan allan.stal...@kbmg.com wrote: Are you listening IBM? Unless someone can make a compelling business case that IBM improving the documentation will increase IBM's revenue (EPS) in some major way, then it's going to continue to get it's funding cut as it has in the past. Dana -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM- MAIN - - For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM- MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS 2.1 DVD Collection - Software Products
When I was re-assigned to the various collection kits about three years ago, I checked the coverage of the platform. When I worked on the initial releases back in MVS days, we covered 95-99% of the entire platform including much of the ITSO offerings. When I re-inherited the zOS collection, I found that our coverage had dropped to less than 20% of the SWG related products that run on z/OS. The corporate strategy in intervening years was away from monolithic platform collections to Information Centers and that trend is continuing. Do I personally prefer a monolithic collection? Yes! However I also remember the time when we had to devote an entire physical room to house the physical books previous to that ;-) Can we go back to a monolithic collection? No. The corporate direction to Information Centers and, soon, Knowledge Centers (KC) -- especially the latter -- is supposed to help re-federate information. KC is currently in beta. Sincerely, Kevin Minerley LookAt architect from its inception Original MVS, AIX, VM CDROM doc collection builder. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS 2.1 DVD Collection - Software Products
On Mon, 16 Dec 2013 06:13:38 -0600, Kevin Minerley wrote: Can we go back to a monolithic collection? No. The corporate direction to Information Centers and, soon, Knowledge Centers (KC) -- especially the latter -- is supposed to help re-federate information. KC is currently in beta. Pity. The information centres are appalling point-and-click constructs. I occasionally have to use the CICS one - I don't know what I'm looking for, and the site doesn't help. It's faster to come in via google. That should be considered a serious slap-down. I just tried the KC for z/OS - the search couldn't find a reference for RMF ... Hello ... bad start. When I hit the (z/OS) library, I know what I want, and I can get to what I need in a (relative) hurry. The KC must offer at least that functionality. I don't need eye-candy, I need information. And the site had better stay up - note the next post from Bob. Shane ... (not beating up on Kevin, just the Corporate direction) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS 2.1 DVD Collection - Software Products
Until KC is fully in place, we will try to provide quarterly updates of the elements and features xks shelves when they change and we do try to ensure the are ALS indexed so that the search is nearly that of a BOO (it uses a BKI under the covers against the PDFs). This includes task shelves such as messages and codes. We have made all shelves downloadable from the external IBM Publications Center. Softcopy Librarian still works with them. Ideal? No. Best we can do with the remaining resources as KC is the only thing being resourced. I am assured by corporate that once they fully index KC (slated for GA, not beta) that searches will work well. Also, google will be allowed to crawl them which was never permitted for the BOO/PDFs (it was permitted for Information Centers). Kevin Minerley -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
z/OS 2.1 DVD Collection - Software Products
Greetings all, In recent years, IBM provided a z/OS DVD Collection download which contained copies of both z/OS and software product manuals (e.g., SK3T-4271-31). Prior to z/OS 1.11, these were provided as two separate collections. The newest collection for 2.1 (SK4T-4949-00) only contains the z/OS manuals and not those for software products. I haven't been able to find an updated collection for software products. Is IBM still providing such a collection and what is the publication number is? Regards, Bob Robert S. Hansel Lead RACF Specialist RSH Consulting, Inc. 617-969-8211 www.linkedin.com/in/roberthansel http://twitter.com/RSH_RACF www.rshconsulting.com - 2013-2014 RACF Training - Audit Compliance Roadmap - Boston - APR 22-25, 2014 - Intro Basic Admin - WebEx - FEB 3-7, 2014 - Intro Basic Admin - WebEx - JUN 9-13, 2014 - Securing z/OS UNIX - WebEx - MAR 4-7, 2014 - -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: z/OS 2.1 DVD Collection - Software Products
I asked the same question some time ago and did not receive a satisfactory answer. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Robert S. Hansel (RSH) Sent: Saturday, December 14, 2013 3:34 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: z/OS 2.1 DVD Collection - Software Products Greetings all, In recent years, IBM provided a z/OS DVD Collection download which contained copies of both z/OS and software product manuals (e.g., SK3T-4271-31). Prior to z/OS 1.11, these were provided as two separate collections. The newest collection for 2.1 (SK4T-4949-00) only contains the z/OS manuals and not those for software products. I haven't been able to find an updated collection for software products. Is IBM still providing such a collection and what is the publication number is? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
