Re: zEC12, and previous generations, "why?" type question - GPU computing.

2012-09-07 Thread William Donzelli
> Mainframes? The 8100 was a series of small machines that grew out of > the 3790. They were no more mainframes than their competitor, the S/1. > Perhaps you are thinking of DPPX/370, which ran on the 9370. It is debatable (although maybe we shouldn't here!) - 8100 was a DPD product, not GSD like

Re: zEC12, and previous generations, "why?" type question - GPU computing.

2012-09-07 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In , on 09/06/2012 at 08:07 PM, William Donzelli said: >the 8100 series (the mainframes Mainframes? The 8100 was a series of small machines that grew out of the 3790. They were no more mainframes than their competitor, the S/1. Perhaps you are thinking of DPPX/370, which ran on the 9370. --

Re: zEC12, and previous generations, "why?" type question - GPU computing.

2012-09-06 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
y hole). re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012l.html#72 zEC12, and previous generations, "why?" type question - GPU computing http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012l.html#74 zEC12, and previous generations, "why?" type question - GPU computing http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2

Re: zEC12, and previous generations, "why?" type question - GPU computing.

2012-09-06 Thread William Donzelli
> 360s, 370s, etc ... have been microcode implemented on variety of other > kinds of engines. circa 1980 there was an effort to replace the wide > variety of internet microprocessors used for controllers, low&mid range > 370s, the planned as/400 replacement for s/38, etc ... all with 801/risc > Ili

Re: zEC12, and previous generations, "why?" type question - GPU computing.

2012-09-06 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
e recipe a > bit. But history didn't happen that way. re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012l.html#72 zEC12, and previous generations, "why?" type question - GPU computing http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012l.html#74 zEC12, and previous generations, "why?" type question - GP

Re: zEC12, and previous generations, "why?" type question - GPU computing.

2012-09-06 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
n/2012l.html#72 zEC12, and previous generations, "why?" type question - GPU computing http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012l.html#74 zEC12, and previous generations, "why?" type question - GPU computing between xt/at/370 and p370/p390 was a74 (7437) done in POK by the same group t

Re: zEC12, and previous generations, "why?" type question - GPU computing.

2012-09-06 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In , on 09/06/2012 at 01:58 AM, George Henke said: >I believe IBM produced a pc with a 370 to run VM on a PC. XT/370 and AT/370 used a 68000 with custom microcode and a second 68000 with standard microcode. The software for it was VM/PC. Note that the later P/370 and R/370 cards implemented

Re: zEC12, and previous generations, "why?" type question - GPU computing.

2012-09-06 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
gahe...@gmail.com (George Henke) writes: > I believe IBM produced a pc with a 370 to run VM on a PC. Merrill Lynch > had one. Somewhere in the late 80's I believe. re: http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2012l.html#72 zEC12, and previous generations, "why?" type question - GPU co

Re: zEC12, and previous generations, "why?" type question - GPU computing.

2012-09-06 Thread Lloyd Fuller
previous generations, "why?" type question - GPU computing. AT/370. On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 2:07 AM, Leopold Strauss < leopold.stra...@isis-papyrus.com> wrote: > Yes. > > It was a microprogrammed motorola-68000-chip, which was used. Name was > similar to PC/370,

Re: zEC12, and previous generations, "why?" type question - GPU computing.

2012-09-06 Thread zMan
AT/370. On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 2:07 AM, Leopold Strauss < leopold.stra...@isis-papyrus.com> wrote: > Yes. > > It was a microprogrammed motorola-68000-chip, which was used. Name was > similar to PC/370, but I am not sure about that. > Many years ago the company, where I was employeed at that tim,

Re: zEC12, and previous generations, "why?" type question - GPU computing.

2012-09-06 Thread Lloyd Fuller
- Original Message From: zMan To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Sent: Wed, September 5, 2012 5:17:37 PM Subject: Re: zEC12, and previous generations, "why?" type question - GPU computing. On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) < shmuel+...@patriot.net> wro

Re: zEC12, and previous generations, "why?" type question - GPU computing.

2012-09-05 Thread Leopold Strauss
Yes. It was a microprogrammed motorola-68000-chip, which was used. Name was similar to PC/370, but I am not sure about that. Many years ago the company, where I was employeed at that tim, had one for short for testing-purposes. Ibelieve to remember, it was the time, where 3033-systems came up

Re: zEC12, and previous generations, "why?" type question - GPU computing.

2012-09-05 Thread George Henke
I believe IBM produced a pc with a 370 to run VM on a PC. Merrill Lynch had one. Somewhere in the late 80's I believe. On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 1:52 AM, Timothy Sipples1 wrote: > Yes, there are organizations that use zEnterprise servers for "heavy > numeric computation." Like decimal floating po

Re: zEC12, and previous generations, "why?" type question - GPU computing.

2012-09-05 Thread Timothy Sipples1
Yes, there are organizations that use zEnterprise servers for "heavy numeric computation." Like decimal floating point. Cryptography is another excellent example. And you can buy optional CryptoExpress adapters if you want to augment the excellent capabilities found in every machine. You can also b

Re: zEC12, and previous generations, "why?" type question - GPU computing.

2012-09-05 Thread Anne & Lynn Wheeler
t...@harminc.net (Tony Harminc) writes: > There *was* a single-chip 370 produced by someone in the late 70s - a > "168i". I think it was a university or research institute, but not > IBM. I'm not finding anything on Google with a casual search, but > things like this are easily overwhelmed. SLAC d

Re: zEC12, and previous generations, "why?" type question - GPU computing.

2012-09-05 Thread Tony Harminc
On 5 September 2012 17:17, zMan wrote: > On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) > wrote: > >> The z architecture is fine for numeric computations. The problem is >> that the implementation is competing with processors manufactured in >> bulk. If IBM could sell millions of z box

Re: zEC12, and previous generations, "why?" type question - GPU computing.

2012-09-05 Thread Conlin, Pete
t;>Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2012 1:07 PM >>To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >>Subject: Re: zEC12, and previous generations, "why?" type question - GPU >>computing. >>> On 9/5/2012 at 12:45 PM, "McKown, John" >>> wrote: >>> I gue

Re: zEC12, and previous generations, "why?" type question - GPU computing.

2012-09-05 Thread zMan
On Wed, Sep 5, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) < shmuel+...@patriot.net> wrote: > In , > on 09/05/2012 >at 11:45 AM, "McKown, John" said: > > >If it is because the z architecture is "not good" at numeric > >computation, > > The z architecture is fine for numeric computations. The pr

Re: zEC12, and previous generations, "why?" type question - GPU computing.

2012-09-05 Thread Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)
In , on 09/05/2012 at 11:45 AM, "McKown, John" said: >If it is because the z architecture is "not good" at numeric >computation, The z architecture is fine for numeric computations. The problem is that the implementation is competing with processors manufactured in bulk. If IBM could sell mil

Re: zEC12, and previous generations, "why?" type question - GPU computing.

2012-09-05 Thread Mark Post
>>> On 9/5/2012 at 12:45 PM, "McKown, John" >>> wrote: > I guess that I should preface this with another question. Does anybody use a > z for heavy numeric computation anymore? Or has that all gone to Intel and > Power boxes? Why is that? If it is because the z architecture is "not good" > at

zEC12, and previous generations, "why?" type question - GPU computing.

2012-09-05 Thread McKown, John
I guess that I should preface this with another question. Does anybody use a z for heavy numeric computation anymore? Or has that all gone to Intel and Power boxes? Why is that? If it is because the z architecture is "not good" at numeric computation, I have a question. The internals of the z ha