Re: IBM-MAIN longevity (was Re: Share Attendance)

[Rick Fochtman]

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If so, and if someone will give me the missing date ranges, I'll look 
around and try to find my archives which should be pretty complete.  (I 
just hope that I don't have to get them off of a 3480 cartridge, which I 
basically can't do.)
   



Probably easier than 9-track tape.

 



I believe there's a company, with a name something like "Data Recovery 
Services", that could probably recover data even from a 7-track/200 BPI 
tape. I heard about it somewhere when I was still working, but never 
followed it up.


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Re: IBM-MAIN longevity (was Re: Share Attendance)

[Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.)]

In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, on 07/30/2008
   at 11:44 AM, Leonard D Woren <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

>If so, and if someone will give me the missing date ranges, I'll look 
>around and try to find my archives which should be pretty complete.  (I 
>just hope that I don't have to get them off of a 3480 cartridge, which I 
>basically can't do.)

Probably easier than 9-track tape.
 
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Re: IBM-MAIN longevity

[Linda Mooney]

I got one of her nanoseconds!  I also have a packet of peper -er, picoseconds.  
I was a student and attended one of her lectures.  Amazing woman.  I remember 
somebody there saying something like - I could never do that!  to which Grace 
Hopper's reply was Of course not! You have already decided that you can't.

Linda Mooney

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> On 30 Jul 2008 13:08:25 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ken Porowski) 
> wrote: 
> 
> >Just browsed the messages from Jan 3, 1992 on the death of Grace Murray 
> >Hopper 
> 
> Wow, that long ago. I guess those of us who have been given a 
> nanosecond from her are getting rarer. 
> 
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Re: IBM-MAIN longevity

[Anne & Lynn Wheeler]

The following message is a courtesy copy of an article
that has been posted to bit.listserv.ibm-main,alt.folklore.computers as well.


re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008k.html#81 IBM-MAIN longevity
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008k.html#83 IBM-MAIN longevity

some old VMSHARE related email
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/lhwemail.html#vmshare

lsoft's listserv history:
http://www.lsoft.com/products/listserv-history.asp#bitnet

from above:

BITNET

In 1985, BITNET was THE academic network. The Internet did not exist
yet, and its ancestor, the ARPAnet, was still mostly a defense
network. A few US universities were connected to the ARPAnet, but in
Europe the only large, non dial-up network was BITNET. BITNET had a
Network Information Centre, called BITNIC or just "the NIC". Like most
BITNET sites at the time, the NIC was using an IBM mainframe running
VM/CMS.

... snip ...

some old email exchanged with the person responsible for setting
up EARN (we also exchanged offspring one summer):
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001h.html#email840320
in this post
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2001h.html#65 UUCP email

misc. past posts mentioning bitnet and/or earn (european bitnet):
http://www/garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#bitnet

BITNET wiki page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BITNET

various BITNET archive files:
http://nethistory.dumbentia.com/archive.html

the arpanet great cutover to tcp/ip was on 1/1/83 ... at the time
arpanet was somewhere between 100 and 255 nodes (depending on how
accounted for) ... while the internal network was starting to push 1000
nodes (which it reached later in 1983).

there was csnet and then various regional networks running tcp/ip (and
other protocols).

the internal network (using technology similar to bitnet & earn) was
larger than arpanet/csnet/internet/etc from just about the beginning
until summer of 85 (the internal network was accounted for separately
from bitnet & earn). 
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#internalnet

one of the reasons why internal network lagged behind in numbers
was that there were starting to be deployed increasing numbers of
workstations and PCs as nodes with TCP/IP ... while internal networking
remained mainframes with workstations and PCs interfacing via various
terminal emulations mechanisms
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#emulation

NSF then announced RFP for T1 "high speed" backbone ... that was
utilized to interconnect some of the regional academic (tcp/ip)
networks. tcp/ip was technology basis for the modern internet, nsfnet
was operational basis for the modern internet, and CIX was the
busines/commercial basis for the modern internet.
http://www.cix.org/
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commercial_Internet_eXchange

misc. past posts mentioning nsfnet
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subnetwork.html#nsfnet
and old nsfnet related email from the period
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/lhwemail.html#nsfnet

old reference to getting corporate csnet connection in '82
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/98.html#email821022
in this post
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/98.html#59 Ok Computer

old reference to internal network announcement of the 1000th node in '83
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/99.html#112

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Bruce Black #2 all-time (was Re: IBM-MAIN longevity)

[Pinnacle]

this has summary of posts/month, this month's top posters
and all-time top posters (although some are multiple counted
under different email addresses)
http://groups.google.com/group/bit.listserv.ibm-main/about

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Re: IBM-MAIN longevity

[Howard Brazee]

On 30 Jul 2008 13:08:25 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ken Porowski)
wrote:

>Just browsed the messages from Jan 3, 1992 on the death of Grace Murray
>Hopper 

Wow, that long ago.   I guess those of us who have been given a
nanosecond from her are getting rarer.

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Re: IBM-MAIN longevity

[Ken Porowski]

Just browsed the messages from Jan 3, 1992 on the death of Grace Murray
Hopper 

Grace Hopper is known worldwide for her work with the first large-scale 
digital computer, the Mark I. "It was 51 feet long, eight feet high, 
eight feet deep, " she said.  "And it had 72 words of storage and could 
perform three additions a second." 

Wonder what that is in MIPS ...

You could probably fit 10 full blown z10's in the same footprint (not
counting clearance requirements) and they would probably require less
power and cooling too!

 

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google has bit.listserv gateway back to 1991

this has summary of posts/month, this month's top posters and all-time
top posters (although some are multiple counted under different email
addresses) http://groups.google.com/group/bit.listserv.ibm-main/about

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Re: IBM-MAIN longevity

[Anne & Lynn Wheeler]

The following message is a courtesy copy of an article
that has been posted to bit.listserv.ibm-main as well.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (John P Kalinich) writes:
> Yes, the usual suspects...Metz, Zelden, Jaffe.

re:
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/2008k.html#81 IBM-MAIN longevity

google has bit.listserv gateway back to 1991

this has summary of posts/month, this month's top posters
and all-time top posters (although some are multiple counted
under different email addresses)
http://groups.google.com/group/bit.listserv.ibm-main/about

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Re: IBM-MAIN longevity

[John P Kalinich]

Ken P of the IBM Mainframe Discussion List  wrote on
07/30/2008 02:16:26 PM:

> Ahh yes, back to the history lessons on IBM-MAIN ...
>
> Didn't someone post (sometime around IBM-MAIN's anniversary) the all
> time top posters, etc. ?
>

Yes, the usual suspects...Metz, Zelden, Jaffe.

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Re: IBM-MAIN longevity

[Ken Porowski]

Ahh yes, back to the history lessons on IBM-MAIN ... 

Didn't someone post (sometime around IBM-MAIN's anniversary) the all
time top posters, etc. ?

-Original Message-
Anne & Lynn Wheeler

The following message is a courtesy copy of an article that has been
posted to bit.listserv.ibm-main as well.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leonard D Woren) writes:
> Rats... I didn't subscribe until July 1986.  Unless it's already been 
> done somewhere, someday I'm going to dig up all of the list traffic 
> and produce a graph of average posts/day by month.  Another graph that

> might be amusing would be tallies of subscribers by number of years 
> subscribed.  Of course, with email addresses changing this would be a 
> quite difficult statistic to do accurately.  (I'm on about my 6th 
> email address for this list and now change it semi-regularly due to
> spam.)

... how 'bout vmshare from a decade earlier (Aug76)
http://vm.marist.edu/~vmshare/

... although I didn't get connected until a couple yrs later ... but did
establish procedure to get monthly copy of all vmshare files and make
them available on HONE system
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#hone

... the internal world-wide online (vm370-based) sales & marketing
system

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Re: IBM-MAIN longevity

[Anne & Lynn Wheeler]

The following message is a courtesy copy of an article
that has been posted to bit.listserv.ibm-main as well.


[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Leonard D Woren) writes:
> Rats... I didn't subscribe until July 1986.  Unless it's already been
> done somewhere, someday I'm going to dig up all of the list traffic
> and produce a graph of average posts/day by month.  Another graph that
> might be amusing would be tallies of subscribers by number of years
> subscribed.  Of course, with email addresses changing this would be a
> quite difficult statistic to do accurately.  (I'm on about my 6th
> email address for this list and now change it semi-regularly due to
> spam.)

... how 'bout vmshare from a decade earlier (Aug76) 
http://vm.marist.edu/~vmshare/

... although I didn't get connected until a couple yrs later ... but did
establish procedure to get monthly copy of all vmshare files and make
them available on HONE system
http://www.garlic.com/~lynn/subtopic.html#hone

... the internal world-wide online (vm370-based) sales & marketing
system

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Re: IBM-MAIN longevity (was Re: Share Attendance)

[Ed Finnell]

 
In a message dated 7/30/2008 1:44:32 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

around and try to find my archives which should be pretty  complete.  (I 
just hope that I don't have to get them off of a 3480  cartridge, which I 
basically can't do.)


>>
Darren will have to answer when he gets loose.  I think there was a bad tape 
somewhere along the line but was able to piece  most of it back together.







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Re: IBM-MAIN longevity (was Re: Share Attendance)

[Leonard D Woren]

Ted MacNEIL wrote on 7/30/2008 11:36 AM:

My understanding is that some of the early years were lost from the archives.
  


If so, and if someone will give me the missing date ranges, I'll look 
around and try to find my archives which should be pretty complete.  (I 
just hope that I don't have to get them off of a 3480 cartridge, which I 
basically can't do.)



And, quite frankly, I cannot even remember when I started my first subscription.
  


The reason that I remember is because I had just started at USC 
(University of Southern California) in mid-July 1986 and a coworker had 
me subscribe to IBM-MAIN.



/Leonard

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Re: IBM-MAIN longevity (was Re: Share Attendance)

[Ed Finnell]

 
In a message dated 7/30/2008 1:24:19 P.M. Central Daylight Time,  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

be amusing would be tallies of subscribers by number of years  
subscribed.  Of course, with email addresses changing this would be a  
quite difficult statistic to do accurately.  (I'm on about my 6th  email 
address for this list and now change it semi-regularly due to  spam.)


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I'm sure LSOFT has this just don't know how  far back they go.







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Re: IBM-MAIN longevity (was Re: Share Attendance)

[Ted MacNEIL]

>Unless it's already been done somewhere, someday I'm going to dig up all of 
>the list traffic and 
produce a graph of average posts/day by month.

My understanding is that some of the early years were lost from the archives.

And, quite frankly, I cannot even remember when I started my first subscription.

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