On 3 Aug 2010 07:46:03 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote:
I would not worry about FUD given the following statement from the article.
Some companies still employ an older mainframe with a screen known as a
3270 terminal emulator, which evokes the decades-old Disk Operating System,
or
On 3 Aug 2010 11:04:09 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote:
The company commands 85 percent of the mainframe market and can't afford
to abandon a technology that despite its age, still underpins some 10,000
mainframes that are used by 4,000 to 5,000 customers around the globe.
and
The
On 8/5/2010 at 02:37 PM, Clark Morris cfmpub...@ns.sympatico.ca wrote:
As someone whose mainframe training in the 1960's was OJT on DOS and a
combination of OJT, some employer sponsored IBM courses and SHARE
attendance in the late 1970s an 1980s, I question the need for
operating specific
If this myth needs to be busted, may I suggest that we involve the likes of
Jamie Hyneman, Adam Savage, Tory Belleci, Kari Byron, and Grant Imahara?
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If this myth needs to be busted, may I suggest
Dude. One word cement truck.
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Alan Schenck wrote:
Dude. One word cement truck.
Clueless.
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One of the larger explosions on Myth Busters was a cement truck. It was
completely packed with C4. When it went off, the cement truck disappeared.
On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Steve Comstock st...@trainersfriend.comwrote:
Alan Schenck wrote:
Dude. One word cement truck.
Alan Schenck wrote:
If this myth needs to be busted, may I suggest that we involve the likes of
Jamie Hyneman, Adam Savage, Tory Belleci, Kari Byron, and Grant Imahara?
Duh! I don't know any of those names. Sorry, but the allusion
is just lost, and I suspect I'm not the only one.
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TV show called mythbusters. Great program!
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Alan Schenck
out of curiosity, do you recall just how they managed to get ahold of *that
much* C4? you're talking about 8 CUBIC YARDS of the stuff in the mixer, if it
really really was completely packed .. I used the stuff on occasion in
viet-nam, and believe me, you don't need 8 cubic yards of that
On 3 Aug 2010 22:16:33 -0700, timothy.sipp...@us.ibm.com (Timothy
Sipples) wrote:
Yet that's exactly what's NOT happening (or at least not happening fast
enough) in the rest of computing -- and that's a big problem for individual
businesses and for the planet. Remember those old movies which
You have to stay in more, and watch TV.
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[mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Bonno, Tuco
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out of curiosity, do you recall just how they
IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu wrote on 08/03/2010
10:45:09 AM:
From: John P Kalinich jkali...@csc.com
I would not worry about FUD given the following statement from the
article.
Some companies still employ an older mainframe with a screen known as a
3270 terminal
Youtube of Cement truck turning into confetti.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gxm_qpKh7Jw
On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 12:17 PM, McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com
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[mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Bonno,
I'm still trying to figure out, what was the myth they were trying to expose?
I've watched the show a few times and always found it interesting, but each
time I have seen it, they were trying to get to the bottom of something, the
something in question being the myth . maybe I'm just ignernt
The myth was that someone took too long to empty the cement out of the truck,
allowed it to harden and then tried to use dynamite to clean out the hardened
cement.
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John
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ah. ok. thank you.
/s/ tuco bonno;
Graduate, College of Conflict Management;
University of SouthEast Asia;
I partied on the Ho Chi Minh Trail - tiến lên !!
The myth was that someone took too long to empty the cement out of the truck,
allowed it to harden and then tried to use dynamite to
Steve Comstock wrote:
Alan Schenck wrote:
If this myth needs to be busted, may I suggest that we involve the
likes of Jamie Hyneman, Adam Savage, Tory Belleci, Kari Byron, and
Grant Imahara?
Duh! I don't know any of those names. Sorry, but the allusion
is just lost, and I suspect I'm not
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out of curiosity, do you recall just how they managed to get ahold of *that much* C4? you're talking about 8 CUBIC YARDS of the stuff in the mixer, if it really really was completely packed .. I used the
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but how many people who read the article know what odiferous horse
hockey it is?
--unsnip---
We should be working to help our management realize
On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Rick Fochtman rfocht...@ync.net wrote:
We should be working to help our management realize just what that horse
hockey really means. NOTHING!!!
But they're so cute, on their little skates, with their four legs going in
all directions...
I would not worry about FUD given the following statement from the article.
Some companies still employ an older mainframe with a screen known as a
3270 terminal emulator, which evokes the decades-old Disk Operating System,
or DOS, that predated Microsoft (MSFT) Windows
John P Kalinich wrote:
I would not worry about FUD given the following statement from the article.
Some companies still employ an older mainframe with a screen known as a
3270 terminal emulator, which evokes the decades-old Disk Operating System,
or DOS, that predated Microsoft (MSFT) Windows
I guess if we did it consistently and often enough we might get a
reporter or two to check their facts but as they are probably not
Mainframe savvy (or even tech savvy) I doubt it would get anywhere.
Perhaps if we targeted the editor of the publication pointing out the
shoddy reporting of their
On 3 Aug 2010 09:10:45 -0700, ken.porow...@cit.com (Ken Porowski)
wrote:
I guess if we did it consistently and often enough we might get a
reporter or two to check their facts but as they are probably not
Mainframe savvy (or even tech savvy) I doubt it would get anywhere.
Perhaps if we targeted
--snip--
Yeah, so, do we have a responsiblity to point up the error of such
careless reporting? Is it in our (mainframer's) best interest to send
emails decrying the sloppy reporting? Do we let the myth continue?
snip--
I guess if we did it consistently and often enough we might get a
reporter or two to check their facts but as they are probably not
Mainframe savvy (or even tech savvy) I doubt it would get anywhere.
Perhaps if we targeted the
--snip---
I would not worry about FUD given the following statement from the article.
Some companies still employ an older mainframe with a screen known as a
3270 terminal emulator, which evokes the decades-old Disk
Too much trouble.. send him and the other mouse-twitching folks to Kolyma.
=
--snip---
=
=I would not worry about FUD given the following statement from the
= article.
=
=Some companies still employ an older mainframe with a
The company commands 85 percent of the mainframe market and can't afford
to abandon a technology that despite its age, still underpins some 10,000
mainframes that are used by 4,000 to 5,000 customers around the globe.
and
The number of mainframes today has dropped to about 10,000, from 30,000
better yet, to Vorkuta (or did they dismantle that place after 1989?)
/s/ tuco bonno;
Graduate, College of Conflict Management;
University of SouthEast Asia;
I partied on the Ho Chi Minh Trail - tiến lên !!
Too much trouble.. send him and the other mouse-twitching folks to
Kolyma.
Serious topic yaw here. Koyma was / is more famous..
= better yet, to Vorkuta (or did they dismantle that place after 1989?)
=
= /s/ tuco bonno;
= Graduate, College of Conflict Management;
= University of SouthEast Asia;
= I partied on the Ho Chi Minh Trail - tiến lên !!
=
=
=
=Too
---snip-
The company commands 85 percent of the mainframe market and can't afford
to abandon a technology that despite its age, still underpins some 10,000
mainframes that are used by 4,000 to 5,000 customers around
--snip---
better yet, to Vorkuta (or did they dismantle that place after 1989?)
/s/ tuco bonno;
Graduate, College of Conflict Management;
University of SouthEast Asia;
I partied on the Ho Chi Minh Trail - tiến lên !!
I think my experience in Milwaukee bears out the quoted text below.
When I first started as a systems programmer, there were
approximately 30 to 40 mainframe shops. We had a group that met
quarterly until about 1991, and we'd often get at least 30 shops
represented. Now, to my best
I see the same thing here in Tallahassee. In the early 80's every State
agency, the school board, the county government, and multiple banks all had
mainframes and staff. That was probably 15-20 mainframes. Now there are
about 5 left in the State. The school board, county government and banks
There's a lot of sloppy reporting in the world. But it still amazes me that
so many people would get things so wrong when it comes to the number of
machines and what it signifies.
If the world of computing were actually materially advancing, we would
fully expect the number of machines to
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