Re: More FUD on the demise of the Mainframe
On 3 Aug 2010 07:46:03 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: I would not worry about FUD given the following statement from the article. Some companies still employ an older mainframe with a screen known as a 3270 terminal emulator, which evokes the decades-old Disk Operating System, or DOS, that predated Microsoft (MSFT) Windows As someone who used DOSSSHELL, one of the reasons I liked it is that it reminded me of ISPF. Thus the statement is relevant and meaningful to the readership of Newsweek. As someone whose mainframe training in the 1960's was OJT on DOS and a combination of OJT, some employer sponsored IBM courses and SHARE attendance in the late 1970s an 1980s, I question the need for operating specific college training. Given some of the sharp people I have met without a college degree, including my former boss who authorized both the courses and my SHARE participation I question the absolute need for a degree. The industry needs people who enjoy making certain the system is reliable and customizing it to meet the needs of the organization. Clark Morris From: Ken Porowski ken.porow...@cit.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Date: 08/03/2010 09:31 AM Subject:More FUD on the demise of the Mainframe http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/aug2010/tc2010082_274669.htm -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: More FUD on the demise of the Mainframe
On 3 Aug 2010 11:04:09 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main you wrote: The company commands 85 percent of the mainframe market and can't afford to abandon a technology that despite its age, still underpins some 10,000 mainframes that are used by 4,000 to 5,000 customers around the globe. and The number of mainframes today has dropped to about 10,000, from 30,000 to 40,000 in earlier decades, according to research firm IDC. My, oh, my... Any proof of that claims? I need something to swallow that statements... Two of the last three places where I contracted have gotten rid of their mainframes. Many organizations have consolidated data centers and reduced the number of mainframes owned by the organization. Most of the shops in the Maritime provinces of Canada that ran mainframes are no longer doing so. From what I see on this forum, the market is shrinking. Clark Morris Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: More FUD on the demise of the Mainframe
On 8/5/2010 at 02:37 PM, Clark Morris cfmpub...@ns.sympatico.ca wrote: As someone whose mainframe training in the 1960's was OJT on DOS and a combination of OJT, some employer sponsored IBM courses and SHARE attendance in the late 1970s an 1980s, I question the need for operating specific college training. Given some of the sharp people I have met without a college degree, including my former boss who authorized both the courses and my SHARE participation I question the absolute need for a degree. The industry needs people who enjoy making certain the system is reliable and customizing it to meet the needs of the organization. Ah, but that requires management that is willing for employees that are new to the role to take some time before becoming highly productive. Sadly, I think that these days employers expect to hire experts, pay them entry level wages, and then never pay for any further training for them as technology evolves. Further, they depend far too much on paper credentials in lieu of spending some time determining if the job applicant is a poseur or the real deal. Mark Post -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: More FUD on the demise of the Mainframe
If this myth needs to be busted, may I suggest that we involve the likes of Jamie Hyneman, Adam Savage, Tory Belleci, Kari Byron, and Grant Imahara? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: More FUD on the demise of the Mainframe
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Alan Schenck Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 9:03 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: More FUD on the demise of the Mainframe If this myth needs to be busted, may I suggest that we involve the likes of Jamie Hyneman, Adam Savage, Tory Belleci, Kari Byron, and Grant Imahara? Yeah! We can have them prove that the mainframe more cost effective by measuring the amount of C4 required per server to destroy the average data center. Or how many exploding hot water heaters are required. -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * (817)-961-6183 cell john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: More FUD on the demise of the Mainframe
Dude. One word cement truck. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: More FUD on the demise of the Mainframe
Alan Schenck wrote: Dude. One word cement truck. Clueless. -- Kind regards, -Steve Comstock The Trainer's Friend, Inc. 303-393-8716 http://www.trainersfriend.com * To get a good Return on your Investment, first make an investment! + Training your people is an excellent investment -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: More FUD on the demise of the Mainframe
One of the larger explosions on Myth Busters was a cement truck. It was completely packed with C4. When it went off, the cement truck disappeared. On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Steve Comstock st...@trainersfriend.comwrote: Alan Schenck wrote: Dude. One word cement truck. Clueless. -- Kind regards, -Steve Comstock The Trainer's Friend, Inc. 303-393-8716 http://www.trainersfriend.com * To get a good Return on your Investment, first make an investment! + Training your people is an excellent investment -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- Mark D Pace Senior Systems Engineer Mainline Information Systems -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: More FUD on the demise of the Mainframe
Alan Schenck wrote: If this myth needs to be busted, may I suggest that we involve the likes of Jamie Hyneman, Adam Savage, Tory Belleci, Kari Byron, and Grant Imahara? Duh! I don't know any of those names. Sorry, but the allusion is just lost, and I suspect I'm not the only one. -- Kind regards, -Steve Comstock The Trainer's Friend, Inc. 303-393-8716 http://www.trainersfriend.com * To get a good Return on your Investment, first make an investment! + Training your people is an excellent investment -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: More FUD on the demise of the Mainframe
TV show called mythbusters. Great program! -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Steve Comstock Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 9:14 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: More FUD on the demise of the Mainframe Alan Schenck wrote: If this myth needs to be busted, may I suggest that we involve the likes of Jamie Hyneman, Adam Savage, Tory Belleci, Kari Byron, and Grant Imahara? Duh! I don't know any of those names. Sorry, but the allusion is just lost, and I suspect I'm not the only one. -- Kind regards, -Steve Comstock The Trainer's Friend, Inc. 303-393-8716 http://www.trainersfriend.com * To get a good Return on your Investment, first make an investment! + Training your people is an excellent investment -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: More FUD on the demise of the Mainframe
out of curiosity, do you recall just how they managed to get ahold of *that much* C4? you're talking about 8 CUBIC YARDS of the stuff in the mixer, if it really really was completely packed .. I used the stuff on occasion in viet-nam, and believe me, you don't need 8 cubic yards of that stuff to simply prove you can blow up one truck. /s/ tuco bonno; Graduate, College of Conflict Management; University of SouthEast Asia; I partied on the Ho Chi Minh Trail - tiến lên !! One of the larger explosions on Myth Busters was a cement truck. It was completely packed with C4. When it went off, the cement truck disappeared. On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 10:23 AM, Steve Comstock st...@trainersfriend.comwrote: Alan Schenck wrote: Dude. One word cement truck. Clueless. -- Kind regards, -Steve Comstock The Trainer's Friend, Inc. 303-393-8716 http://www.trainersfriend.com * To get a good Return on your Investment, first make an investment! + Training your people is an excellent investment -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- Mark D Pace Senior Systems Engineer Mainline Information Systems -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: More FUD on the demise of the Mainframe
On 3 Aug 2010 22:16:33 -0700, timothy.sipp...@us.ibm.com (Timothy Sipples) wrote: Yet that's exactly what's NOT happening (or at least not happening fast enough) in the rest of computing -- and that's a big problem for individual businesses and for the planet. Remember those old movies which talked about how the computer was so big, it took up a whole room? Well, unfortunately we've gone exactly backwards: the rooms have gotten bigger, not smaller, and now they're stuffed to the gills with lots of machines, each satisfying (if we're lucky) a tiny piece of the overall business's needs. Remember - those reading those reports and making decisions are managers, not techies, so the following is from their POV: The selling point is that server farms are easily expandable and easily distributed among multiple sites. This latter is a big plus for disaster preparedness management. IBM has responded to the expandability issue by offering more powerful computers where we don't pay for power we aren't ready for. But that model doesn't fit how our minds have worked in buying things all our lives.Even when we buy a large hamburger for half price, we feel guilty when we don't eat it all. Furthermore we see computers on every desk - we no longer think of the Big Raised Floor room with no windows that we don't enter anymore. In fact, we're computer users, when we started working, the bosses used Dictaphones and others did the actual writing and calculating. They had us learn spreadsheets - but now that we're the bosses, we still use spreadsheets and e-mail. We *know* computers are what we carry from meeting to meeting.To get more computer power, we just trade in our laptop for a new one. Some techies get more powerful boxes than we get, but we rate over most people. We're not all equal with one shared Big Blue Box. So IBM salesmen who used to have an easy sell, now have a much more difficult sell.Even for people who pride themselves on analyzing everything in detail, preconceptions matter. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: More FUD on the demise of the Mainframe
You have to stay in more, and watch TV. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Steve Comstock Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 7:14 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] More FUD on the demise of the Mainframe Alan Schenck wrote: If this myth needs to be busted, may I suggest that we involve the likes of Jamie Hyneman, Adam Savage, Tory Belleci, Kari Byron, and Grant Imahara? Duh! I don't know any of those names. Sorry, but the allusion is just lost, and I suspect I'm not the only one. -- Kind regards, -Steve Comstock The Trainer's Friend, Inc. 303-393-8716 http://www.trainersfriend.com * To get a good Return on your Investment, first make an investment! + Training your people is an excellent investment -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: More FUD on the demise of the Mainframe
-Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Bonno, Tuco Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 10:17 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: More FUD on the demise of the Mainframe out of curiosity, do you recall just how they managed to get ahold of *that much* C4? you're talking about 8 CUBIC YARDS of the stuff in the mixer, if it really really was completely packed .. I used the stuff on occasion in viet-nam, and believe me, you don't need 8 cubic yards of that stuff to simply prove you can blow up one truck. They have connections. In this case with the local FBI office. I don't know how much of what explosive was actually used. The trunk was not just blown up. It was disintegrated. Only bite sized pieces left. And not many of them. -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * (817)-961-6183 cell john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: More FUD on the demise of the Mainframe
IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu wrote on 08/03/2010 10:45:09 AM: From: John P Kalinich jkali...@csc.com I would not worry about FUD given the following statement from the article. Some companies still employ an older mainframe with a screen known as a 3270 terminal emulator, which evokes the decades-old Disk Operating System, or DOS, that predated Microsoft (MSFT) Windows but how many people who read the article know what odiferous horse hockey it is? pup137 - The information contained in this communication (including any attachments hereto) is confidential and is intended solely for the personal and confidential use of the individual or entity to whom it is addressed. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient or an agent responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this communication in error and that any review, dissemination, copying, or unauthorized use of this information, or the taking of any action in reliance on the contents of this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by e-mail, and delete the original message. Thank you -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: More FUD on the demise of the Mainframe
Youtube of Cement truck turning into confetti. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gxm_qpKh7Jw On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 12:17 PM, McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com wrote: -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Bonno, Tuco Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 10:17 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: More FUD on the demise of the Mainframe out of curiosity, do you recall just how they managed to get ahold of *that much* C4? you're talking about 8 CUBIC YARDS of the stuff in the mixer, if it really really was completely packed .. I used the stuff on occasion in viet-nam, and believe me, you don't need 8 cubic yards of that stuff to simply prove you can blow up one truck. They have connections. In this case with the local FBI office. I don't know how much of what explosive was actually used. The trunk was not just blown up. It was disintegrated. Only bite sized pieces left. And not many of them. -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * (817)-961-6183 cell john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- Mark D Pace Senior Systems Engineer Mainline Information Systems -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: More FUD on the demise of the Mainframe
I'm still trying to figure out, what was the myth they were trying to expose? I've watched the show a few times and always found it interesting, but each time I have seen it, they were trying to get to the bottom of something, the something in question being the myth . maybe I'm just ignernt [sic] about cement-trucks-and-C4-explosives myths. /s/ tuco bonno; Graduate, College of Conflict Management; University of SouthEast Asia; I partied on the Ho Chi Minh Trail - tiến lên !! -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Mark Pace Sent: Wednesday, 04 August, 2010 01:24 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: More FUD on the demise of the Mainframe Youtube of Cement truck turning into confetti. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gxm_qpKh7Jw On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 12:17 PM, McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com wrote: -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Bonno, Tuco Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 10:17 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: More FUD on the demise of the Mainframe out of curiosity, do you recall just how they managed to get ahold of *that much* C4? you're talking about 8 CUBIC YARDS of the stuff in the mixer, if it really really was completely packed .. I used the stuff on occasion in viet-nam, and believe me, you don't need 8 cubic yards of that stuff to simply prove you can blow up one truck. They have connections. In this case with the local FBI office. I don't know how much of what explosive was actually used. The trunk was not just blown up. It was disintegrated. Only bite sized pieces left. And not many of them. -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * (817)-961-6183 cell john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- Mark D Pace Senior Systems Engineer Mainline Information Systems -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: More FUD on the demise of the Mainframe
The myth was that someone took too long to empty the cement out of the truck, allowed it to harden and then tried to use dynamite to clean out the hardened cement. Regards, John 513-723-7527 john.king...@convergys.com From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Bonno, Tuco [t...@cio.sc.gov] Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 1:37 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: More FUD on the demise of the Mainframe I'm still trying to figure out, what was the myth they were trying to expose? I've watched the show a few times and always found it interesting, but each time I have seen it, they were trying to get to the bottom of something, the something in question being the myth . maybe I'm just ignernt [sic] about cement-trucks-and-C4-explosives myths. /s/ tuco bonno; Graduate, College of Conflict Management; University of SouthEast Asia; I partied on the Ho Chi Minh Trail - tiến lên !! -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Mark Pace Sent: Wednesday, 04 August, 2010 01:24 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: More FUD on the demise of the Mainframe Youtube of Cement truck turning into confetti. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gxm_qpKh7Jw On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 12:17 PM, McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com wrote: -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Bonno, Tuco Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 10:17 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: More FUD on the demise of the Mainframe out of curiosity, do you recall just how they managed to get ahold of *that much* C4? you're talking about 8 CUBIC YARDS of the stuff in the mixer, if it really really was completely packed .. I used the stuff on occasion in viet-nam, and believe me, you don't need 8 cubic yards of that stuff to simply prove you can blow up one truck. They have connections. In this case with the local FBI office. I don't know how much of what explosive was actually used. The trunk was not just blown up. It was disintegrated. Only bite sized pieces left. And not many of them. -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * (817)-961-6183 cell john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- Mark D Pace Senior Systems Engineer Mainline Information Systems -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html NOTICE: The information contained in this electronic mail transmission is intended by Convergys Corporation for the use of the named individual or entity to which it is directed and may contain information that is privileged or otherwise confidential. If you have received this electronic mail transmission in error, please delete it from your system without copying or forwarding it, and notify the sender of the error by reply email or by telephone (collect), so that the sender's address records can be corrected. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: More FUD on the demise of the Mainframe
ah. ok. thank you. /s/ tuco bonno; Graduate, College of Conflict Management; University of SouthEast Asia; I partied on the Ho Chi Minh Trail - tiến lên !! The myth was that someone took too long to empty the cement out of the truck, allowed it to harden and then tried to use dynamite to clean out the hardened cement. I'm still trying to figure out, what was the myth they were trying to expose? I've watched the show a few times and always found it interesting, but each time I have seen it, they were trying to get to the bottom of something, the something in question being the myth . maybe I'm just ignernt [sic] about cement-trucks-and-C4-explosives myths. /s/ tuco bonno; Graduate, College of Conflict Management; University of SouthEast Asia; I partied on the Ho Chi Minh Trail - tiến lên !! -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Mark Pace Sent: Wednesday, 04 August, 2010 01:24 PM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: More FUD on the demise of the Mainframe Youtube of Cement truck turning into confetti. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gxm_qpKh7Jw On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 12:17 PM, McKown, John john.mck...@healthmarkets.com wrote: -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:ibm-m...@bama.ua.edu] On Behalf Of Bonno, Tuco Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2010 10:17 AM To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Subject: Re: More FUD on the demise of the Mainframe out of curiosity, do you recall just how they managed to get ahold of *that much* C4? you're talking about 8 CUBIC YARDS of the stuff in the mixer, if it really really was completely packed .. I used the stuff on occasion in viet-nam, and believe me, you don't need 8 cubic yards of that stuff to simply prove you can blow up one truck. They have connections. In this case with the local FBI office. I don't know how much of what explosive was actually used. The trunk was not just blown up. It was disintegrated. Only bite sized pieces left. And not many of them. -- John McKown Systems Engineer IV IT Administrative Services Group HealthMarkets(r) 9151 Boulevard 26 * N. Richland Hills * TX 76010 (817) 255-3225 phone * (817)-961-6183 cell john.mck...@healthmarkets.com * www.HealthMarkets.com Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message may contain confidential or proprietary information. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. HealthMarkets(r) is the brand name for products underwritten and issued by the insurance subsidiaries of HealthMarkets, Inc. -The Chesapeake Life Insurance Company(r), Mid-West National Life Insurance Company of TennesseeSM and The MEGA Life and Health Insurance Company.SM -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- Mark D Pace Senior Systems Engineer Mainline Information Systems -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html NOTICE: The information contained in this electronic mail transmission is intended by Convergys Corporation for the use of the named individual or entity to which it is directed and may contain information that is privileged or otherwise confidential. If you have received this electronic mail transmission in error, please delete it from your system without copying or forwarding it, and notify the sender of the error by reply email or by telephone (collect), so that the sender's address records can be corrected. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: More FUD on the demise of the Mainframe
Steve Comstock wrote: Alan Schenck wrote: If this myth needs to be busted, may I suggest that we involve the likes of Jamie Hyneman, Adam Savage, Tory Belleci, Kari Byron, and Grant Imahara? Duh! I don't know any of those names. Sorry, but the allusion is just lost, and I suspect I'm not the only one. Check out MythBusters on the Discovery Channel. :-) Rick -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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-snip out of curiosity, do you recall just how they managed to get ahold of *that much* C4? you're talking about 8 CUBIC YARDS of the stuff in the mixer, if it really really was completely packed .. I used the stuff on occasion in viet-nam, and believe me, you don't need 8 cubic yards of that stuff to simply prove you can blow up one truck. ---unsnip- AMEN to that! Thoroughly nasty stuff. Let's stay on topic here. Rick -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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-snip--- but how many people who read the article know what odiferous horse hockey it is? --unsnip--- We should be working to help our management realize just what that horse hockey really means. NOTHING!!! Rick -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Rick Fochtman rfocht...@ync.net wrote: We should be working to help our management realize just what that horse hockey really means. NOTHING!!! But they're so cute, on their little skates, with their four legs going in all directions... -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: More FUD on the demise of the Mainframe
I would not worry about FUD given the following statement from the article. Some companies still employ an older mainframe with a screen known as a 3270 terminal emulator, which evokes the decades-old Disk Operating System, or DOS, that predated Microsoft (MSFT) Windows From: Ken Porowski ken.porow...@cit.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Date: 08/03/2010 09:31 AM Subject:More FUD on the demise of the Mainframe http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/aug2010/tc2010082_274669.htm -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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John P Kalinich wrote: I would not worry about FUD given the following statement from the article. Some companies still employ an older mainframe with a screen known as a 3270 terminal emulator, which evokes the decades-old Disk Operating System, or DOS, that predated Microsoft (MSFT) Windows Yeah, so, do we have a responsiblity to point up the error of such careless reporting? Is it in our (mainframer's) best interest to send emails decrying the sloppy reporting? Do we let the myth continue? From: Ken Porowski ken.porow...@cit.com To: IBM-MAIN@bama.ua.edu Date: 08/03/2010 09:31 AM Subject:More FUD on the demise of the Mainframe http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/aug2010/tc2010082_274669.htm -- Kind regards, -Steve Comstock The Trainer's Friend, Inc. 303-393-8716 http://www.trainersfriend.com * To get a good Return on your Investment, first make an investment! + Training your people is an excellent investment -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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I guess if we did it consistently and often enough we might get a reporter or two to check their facts but as they are probably not Mainframe savvy (or even tech savvy) I doubt it would get anywhere. Perhaps if we targeted the editor of the publication pointing out the shoddy reporting of their staff it might get further. -Original Message- Steve Comstock John P Kalinich wrote: I would not worry about FUD given the following statement from the article. Some companies still employ an older mainframe with a screen known as a 3270 terminal emulator, which evokes the decades-old Disk Operating System, or DOS, that predated Microsoft (MSFT) Windows Yeah, so, do we have a responsiblity to point up the error of such careless reporting? Is it in our (mainframer's) best interest to send emails decrying the sloppy reporting? Do we let the myth continue? From: Ken Porowski http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/aug2010/tc2010082_27466 9.htm Kind regards, -Steve Comstock The Trainer's Friend, Inc. 303-393-8716 http://www.trainersfriend.com * To get a good Return on your Investment, first make an investment! + Training your people is an excellent investment -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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On 3 Aug 2010 09:10:45 -0700, ken.porow...@cit.com (Ken Porowski) wrote: I guess if we did it consistently and often enough we might get a reporter or two to check their facts but as they are probably not Mainframe savvy (or even tech savvy) I doubt it would get anywhere. Perhaps if we targeted the editor of the publication pointing out the shoddy reporting of their staff it might get further. When I've personally been involved in something that was reported, I have had issues with what I read or saw. And that was with trained professionals doing the reporting.Moving to anybody can publish anything on-line, that low level has dropped considerably. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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--snip-- Yeah, so, do we have a responsiblity to point up the error of such careless reporting? Is it in our (mainframer's) best interest to send emails decrying the sloppy reporting? Do we let the myth continue? -unsnip-- IMHO, the sole purpose in life for a myth is to be destroyed by truthful and honest reporting. And the sole purpose in life for a myth-maker is to be spattered with rotten eggs, rotten vegetables and whatever other offal can be found handy. Rick -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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snip-- I guess if we did it consistently and often enough we might get a reporter or two to check their facts but as they are probably not Mainframe savvy (or even tech savvy) I doubt it would get anywhere. Perhaps if we targeted the editor of the publication pointing out the shoddy reporting of their staff it might get further. --unsnip I'd prefer to target the reporters. There are more of them and my new .45-70 rifle needs to be sighted in. :-) Rick -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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--snip--- I would not worry about FUD given the following statement from the article. Some companies still employ an older mainframe with a screen known as a 3270 terminal emulator, which evokes the decades-old Disk Operating System, or DOS, that predated Microsoft (MSFT) Windows --unsnip Set this guy down in front of a basic set of manuals. Warm his drawers with a riding crop or similar instrument untill he's digested some modern information and started to learn about a serious system. :-) Rick -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Too much trouble.. send him and the other mouse-twitching folks to Kolyma. = --snip--- = =I would not worry about FUD given the following statement from the = article. = =Some companies still employ an older mainframe with a screen known as a =3270 terminal emulator, which evokes the decades-old Disk Operating = System, =or DOS, that predated Microsoft (MSFT) Windows = = = --unsnip = Set this guy down in front of a basic set of manuals. Warm his drawers = with a riding crop or similar instrument untill he's digested some = modern information and started to learn about a serious system. :-) = = Rick = = -- = For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, = send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO = Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html = John Cassidy (Dipl.-Ingr.) Kapellenstr. 21a D-65193 Wiesbaden EU Mobile: +49 (0) 170 794 3616 http://www.JDCassidy.net http://en.federaleurope.org/ http://sva-zhosting.com/en/index.php -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: More FUD on the demise of the Mainframe
The company commands 85 percent of the mainframe market and can't afford to abandon a technology that despite its age, still underpins some 10,000 mainframes that are used by 4,000 to 5,000 customers around the globe. and The number of mainframes today has dropped to about 10,000, from 30,000 to 40,000 in earlier decades, according to research firm IDC. My, oh, my... Any proof of that claims? I need something to swallow that statements... Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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better yet, to Vorkuta (or did they dismantle that place after 1989?) /s/ tuco bonno; Graduate, College of Conflict Management; University of SouthEast Asia; I partied on the Ho Chi Minh Trail - tiến lên !! Too much trouble.. send him and the other mouse-twitching folks to Kolyma. = --snip--- = =I would not worry about FUD given the following statement from the = article. = =Some companies still employ an older mainframe with a screen known as a =3270 terminal emulator, which evokes the decades-old Disk Operating = System, =or DOS, that predated Microsoft (MSFT) Windows = = = --unsnip = Set this guy down in front of a basic set of manuals. Warm his drawers = with a riding crop or similar instrument untill he's digested some = modern information and started to learn about a serious system. :-) = = Rick = = -- = For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, = send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO = Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html = John Cassidy (Dipl.-Ingr.) Kapellenstr. 21a D-65193 Wiesbaden EU Mobile: +49 (0) 170 794 3616 http://www.JDCassidy.net http://en.federaleurope.org/ http://sva-zhosting.com/en/index.php -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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Serious topic yaw here. Koyma was / is more famous.. = better yet, to Vorkuta (or did they dismantle that place after 1989?) = = /s/ tuco bonno; = Graduate, College of Conflict Management; = University of SouthEast Asia; = I partied on the Ho Chi Minh Trail - tiến lên !! = = = =Too much trouble.. send him and the other mouse-twitching folks = to Kolyma. = = = = = --snip--- = = = =I would not worry about FUD given the following statement from the = = article. = = = =Some companies still employ an older mainframe with a screen known as = a = =3270 terminal emulator, which evokes the decades-old Disk Operating = = System, = =or DOS, that predated Microsoft (MSFT) Windows = = = = = = = --unsnip = = Set this guy down in front of a basic set of manuals. Warm his drawers = = with a riding crop or similar instrument untill he's digested some = = modern information and started to learn about a serious system. :-) = = = = Rick = = = = -- = = For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, = = send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO = = Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html = = = = = John Cassidy (Dipl.-Ingr.) = = Kapellenstr. 21a = = D-65193 Wiesbaden = = EU = = = = Mobile: +49 (0) 170 794 3616 = = = http://www.JDCassidy.net = = http://en.federaleurope.org/ = = http://sva-zhosting.com/en/index.php = = -- = For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, = send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO = Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html = = -- = For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, = send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO = Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html = John Cassidy (Dipl.-Ingr.) Kapellenstr. 21a D-65193 Wiesbaden EU Mobile: +49 (0) 170 794 3616 http://www.JDCassidy.net http://en.federaleurope.org/ http://sva-zhosting.com/en/index.php -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: More FUD on the demise of the Mainframe
---snip- The company commands 85 percent of the mainframe market and can't afford to abandon a technology that despite its age, still underpins some 10,000 mainframes that are used by 4,000 to 5,000 customers around the globe. and The number of mainframes today has dropped to about 10,000, from 30,000 to 40,000 in earlier decades, according to research firm IDC. My, oh, my... Any proof of that claims? I need something to swallow that statements... unsnip--- A couple quarts or liters of some good Tenessee Sourmash (bourbon whiskey) ought to be about right... :-) Rick -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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--snip--- better yet, to Vorkuta (or did they dismantle that place after 1989?) /s/ tuco bonno; Graduate, College of Conflict Management; University of SouthEast Asia; I partied on the Ho Chi Minh Trail - tiến lên !! ---unsnip- Au Shau valley, up by the DMz was a real picnic, too. :-) Rick -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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I think my experience in Milwaukee bears out the quoted text below. When I first started as a systems programmer, there were approximately 30 to 40 mainframe shops. We had a group that met quarterly until about 1991, and we'd often get at least 30 shops represented. Now, to my best estimate, there are about 10 shops in the area It's no proof, but, the numbers I give are in alignment with those quoted below. Eric Bielefeld On Tue, 3 Aug 2010 13:03:40 -0500, Elardus Engelbrecht elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za wrote: The number of mainframes today has dropped to about 10,000, from 30,000 to 40,000 in earlier decades, according to research firm IDC. My, oh, my... Any proof of that claims? I need something to swallow that statements... Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
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I see the same thing here in Tallahassee. In the early 80's every State agency, the school board, the county government, and multiple banks all had mainframes and staff. That was probably 15-20 mainframes. Now there are about 5 left in the State. The school board, county government and banks have mostly gone to AS400/iSeries/System I. On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 4:22 PM, Eric Bielefeld eric-ibmm...@wi.rr.comwrote: I think my experience in Milwaukee bears out the quoted text below. When I first started as a systems programmer, there were approximately 30 to 40 mainframe shops. We had a group that met quarterly until about 1991, and we'd often get at least 30 shops represented. Now, to my best estimate, there are about 10 shops in the area It's no proof, but, the numbers I give are in alignment with those quoted below. Eric Bielefeld On Tue, 3 Aug 2010 13:03:40 -0500, Elardus Engelbrecht elardus.engelbre...@sita.co.za wrote: The number of mainframes today has dropped to about 10,000, from 30,000 to 40,000 in earlier decades, according to research firm IDC. My, oh, my... Any proof of that claims? I need something to swallow that statements... Groete / Greetings Elardus Engelbrecht -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html -- Mark D Pace Senior Systems Engineer Mainline Information Systems -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
Re: More FUD on the demise of the Mainframe
There's a lot of sloppy reporting in the world. But it still amazes me that so many people would get things so wrong when it comes to the number of machines and what it signifies. If the world of computing were actually materially advancing, we would fully expect the number of machines to collapse to equal the number of data centers (perhaps plus one). So that number would typically be two (or perhaps three): one (or two) for the primary data center, and one for the alternate data center. Any more than that means there are capacity constraints and/or inefficiencies yet to be conquered. That's *exactly* what's happening/has happened as mainframe computing continues to push the envelope furthest and farthest. The System z machines are getting so powerful, so efficient, so thoroughly virtualized, that the vast majority of customers only need a couple to run their entire businesses, and with the highest possible qualities of service. And IBM is quite happy with that outcome, because it represents the highest achievement in real-world computing, the maximum bang-for-the-buck. It's exactly what customers want (maximum efficiency), and it's exactly what IBM is building. Citigroup said just that in the zEnterprise announcement: they can do much more work on many fewer machines, and that's such an obvious and clear measure of business computing efficiency (do more with less). Yet that's exactly what's NOT happening (or at least not happening fast enough) in the rest of computing -- and that's a big problem for individual businesses and for the planet. Remember those old movies which talked about how the computer was so big, it took up a whole room? Well, unfortunately we've gone exactly backwards: the rooms have gotten bigger, not smaller, and now they're stuffed to the gills with lots of machines, each satisfying (if we're lucky) a tiny piece of the overall business's needs. This is progress? Heck, no! So let's consider what modern really means. If one machine can do the work of thousands, in a fraction of the space/power/cooling, isn't that the more modern machine? For sure, yes, it has got to be. - - - - - Timothy Sipples Resident Enterprise Architect STG Value Creation Complex Deals Team IBM Growth Markets (Based in Singapore) E-Mail: timothy.sipp...@us.ibm.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@bama.ua.edu with the message: GET IBM-MAIN INFO Search the archives at http://bama.ua.edu/archives/ibm-main.html
