Re: CPACF for TN3270 encryption

2019-11-09 Thread ITschak Mugzach
there is a relatively new red piece on how to configure TLS with
tn3270: IBM z/OS IBM Personal Communications TTLS Enablement at
http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redpapers/pdfs/redp5538.pdf

ITschak

On Sat, Nov 9, 2019 at 4:08 AM Greg Boyd 
wrote:

> System SSL (aka TLS) will work without ICSF being active and without CEX
> cards being available.  You may not like the performance and some functions
> (i.e. specifically ECC) may not work.  Elliptic Curve (ECC) requires that
> CEX cards are available and ICSF is active, to drive those operations to
> the card.
>
> Keep in mind that TLS (and System SSL) have two phases:
>
> The handshake phase performs authentication and requires public/private
> keys which relies on either CEX cards or software routines.  A low number
> of handshakes per second can be handled in software, but if you have any
> volume, having the cards can provide a significant savings in MIPS as well
> as helping performance.  Handshakes also do some hashing, which is done on
> the CPACF (ICSF is not required on the latest versions of z/OS).
>
> The record phase uses symmetric encryption to protect the data and hashing
> for integrity.  The symmetric encryption is done on the CPACF, if you are
> using DES/TDES or AES (if that is what is negotiated).  Long ago, ICSF had
> to be active to do AES, if you were running on a machine that didn't
> support AES on the CPACF hardware ... circa z/890 and z990.  But ICSF is
> not required on the latest versions of z/OS, System SSL uses the native
> crypto instructions on the CPACF.  Hashing for the record phase is also
> done on the CPACF (no ICSF required, on current versions of z/OS) if you
> are using SHA-1, SHA-2.
>
> Greg Boyd
> Mainframe Crypto
> www.mainframecrypto.com
>
>
> On Fri, 8 Nov 2019 01:05:42 -0600, Barbara Nitz  wrote:
>
> >> Do we need ICSF to be running while implementing ATTLS ?
> >I ran AT-TLS on a 2.1 RDT system *without* ICSF without a problem. And it
> was for more than just TN3270 traffic at TLS 1.2. I haven't tried at a
> higher z/OS level, but I don't think you need ICSF.
> >
> >Regards, Barbara
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Re: CPACF for TN3270 encryption

2019-11-08 Thread Greg Boyd
System SSL (aka TLS) will work without ICSF being active and without CEX cards 
being available.  You may not like the performance and some functions (i.e. 
specifically ECC) may not work.  Elliptic Curve (ECC) requires that CEX cards 
are available and ICSF is active, to drive those operations to the card.

Keep in mind that TLS (and System SSL) have two phases:
  
The handshake phase performs authentication and requires public/private keys 
which relies on either CEX cards or software routines.  A low number of 
handshakes per second can be handled in software, but if you have any volume, 
having the cards can provide a significant savings in MIPS as well as helping 
performance.  Handshakes also do some hashing, which is done on the CPACF (ICSF 
is not required on the latest versions of z/OS).

The record phase uses symmetric encryption to protect the data and hashing for 
integrity.  The symmetric encryption is done on the CPACF, if you are using 
DES/TDES or AES (if that is what is negotiated).  Long ago, ICSF had to be 
active to do AES, if you were running on a machine that didn't support AES on 
the CPACF hardware ... circa z/890 and z990.  But ICSF is not required on the 
latest versions of z/OS, System SSL uses the native crypto instructions on the 
CPACF.  Hashing for the record phase is also done on the CPACF (no ICSF 
required, on current versions of z/OS) if you are using SHA-1, SHA-2. 

Greg Boyd
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On Fri, 8 Nov 2019 01:05:42 -0600, Barbara Nitz  wrote:

>> Do we need ICSF to be running while implementing ATTLS ?
>I ran AT-TLS on a 2.1 RDT system *without* ICSF without a problem. And it was 
>for more than just TN3270 traffic at TLS 1.2. I haven't tried at a higher z/OS 
>level, but I don't think you need ICSF. 
>
>Regards, Barbara
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Re: CPACF for TN3270 encryption

2019-11-07 Thread Barbara Nitz
> Do we need ICSF to be running while implementing ATTLS ?
I ran AT-TLS on a 2.1 RDT system *without* ICSF without a problem. And it was 
for more than just TN3270 traffic at TLS 1.2. I haven't tried at a higher z/OS 
level, but I don't think you need ICSF. 

Regards, Barbara

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Re: CPACF for TN3270 encryption

2019-11-07 Thread Seymour J Metz
Not quite. FTP is fully capable of transmitting datasets with the correct 
options. That, however, is for z/OS<->z/OS, not for z/OS<->PC. If you need to 
transmit RECFM=U to a PC then you must encapsulate with, e.g., terse, xmit, zip.


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IMHO the problem is with using file utilities for datasets.

File - understood as MS-DOS, unix or Windows file - it is just (ordered)
set of bytes. No internal structure like blocks or records. File formats
like XLS, TXT, DOC are interpretation of some applications, it is not
visible
Dataset - set of block which may contain records. Structure, which is
lost every time you transfer dataset from host to PC or when you
transfer from host ...to host using file oriented tool like ftp.

Note when you download a dataset from host, i.e. using IND$FILE or ftp,
you always convert dataset to PC file. That could mean EBCDIC-ASCII
translation or not, but it always mean lost of dataset format. So, when
you want to upload the file to host again you have to provide "metadata"
like FB 80 or so. Othwerwise you'll get corrupt file - the content is
almost the same, but records are not.
Of course ftp or IND$FILE can handle FB dataset with no problem, it also
can handle VB datasets (in many cases). However RECFM=U datasets are
(for my humble knowledge) simply not handled properly. Excepions may
happen, but I never seen them. Nor working procedure how to transfer
RECFM=U dataset.

Remarks:
1. It has nothing to do with ADRDSSU. It is not problem of DSS, it is
just problem with RECFM=U, regardless of the tool which created dataset.
2. Usually the simplest solution of to "pack" RECFM=U dataset to some FB
dataset. Methods are TERSE or just XMIT. In both cases you get some FB
dataset, which can be downloaded from host to PC file and then uploaded
from PC file to host *with some additional information* about RECFM and
LRECL.
3. Maybe there are other tricks or methods. I'm glad to learn them.

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Re: CPACF for TN3270 encryption

2019-11-07 Thread R.S.

IMHO the problem is with using file utilities for datasets.

File - understood as MS-DOS, unix or Windows file - it is just (ordered) 
set of bytes. No internal structure like blocks or records. File formats 
like XLS, TXT, DOC are interpretation of some applications, it is not 
visible
Dataset - set of block which may contain records. Structure, which is 
lost every time you transfer dataset from host to PC or when you 
transfer from host ...to host using file oriented tool like ftp.


Note when you download a dataset from host, i.e. using IND$FILE or ftp, 
you always convert dataset to PC file. That could mean EBCDIC-ASCII 
translation or not, but it always mean lost of dataset format. So, when 
you want to upload the file to host again you have to provide "metadata" 
like FB 80 or so. Othwerwise you'll get corrupt file - the content is 
almost the same, but records are not.
Of course ftp or IND$FILE can handle FB dataset with no problem, it also 
can handle VB datasets (in many cases). However RECFM=U datasets are 
(for my humble knowledge) simply not handled properly. Excepions may 
happen, but I never seen them. Nor working procedure how to transfer 
RECFM=U dataset.


Remarks:
1. It has nothing to do with ADRDSSU. It is not problem of DSS, it is 
just problem with RECFM=U, regardless of the tool which created dataset.
2. Usually the simplest solution of to "pack" RECFM=U dataset to some FB 
dataset. Methods are TERSE or just XMIT. In both cases you get some FB 
dataset, which can be downloaded from host to PC file and then uploaded 
from PC file to host *with some additional information* about RECFM and 
LRECL.

3. Maybe there are other tricks or methods. I'm glad to learn them.

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Re: CPACF for TN3270 encryption

2019-11-07 Thread Tom Conley

On 11/7/2019 9:49 AM, Jake Anderson wrote:

Do we need ICSF to be running while implementing ATTLS ?



Jake,

Yes.

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Re: CPACF for TN3270 encryption

2019-11-07 Thread Jake Anderson
Do we need ICSF to be running while implementing ATTLS ?

On Wed, 30 Oct, 2019, 2:22 PM Mike Wawiorko, <
014ab5cdfb21-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote:

> 3270 with SSL/TLS is implemented in System SSL - if you really need to
> know more I'd read up on that.
>
> Another PAGENT policy function IPSEC tunnels does have the option for ZIIP
> assist so if you're running 3270 or other traffic within tunnels you may be
> using ZIIP.
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Re: CPACF for TN3270 encryption

2019-10-30 Thread Mike Wawiorko
3270 with SSL/TLS is implemented in System SSL - if you really need to know 
more I'd read up on that.

Another PAGENT policy function IPSEC tunnels does have the option for ZIIP 
assist so if you're running 3270 or other traffic within tunnels you may be 
using ZIIP.

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Re: CPACF for TN3270 encryption

2019-10-29 Thread Phil Smith III
Jake Anderson asked:
>Is it possible to encrypt TN3270 connectivity using CPACF ?

 

And then later added:

 

>We got this feature along with our z14 so wanted to make use of this and am
>not sure if PAGENT traffic can be offloaded to zIIP

 

Just to be clear: CPACF is crypto in the chip (much like Intel AES-NI), has 
nothing to do with zIIP. Not clear whether you were thinking they were related.

 

As Radoslaw noted, it can be hard to tell where encryption is happening, but my 
expectation would be that whatever is doing your TN3270 encryption would use 
CPACF if available. If it's not, it's pretty primitive; CPACF has been around 
at least a decade, things really should be using it by now.

 

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Re: CPACF for TN3270 encryption

2019-10-29 Thread Jake Anderson
We got this feature along with our z14 so wanted to make use of this and am
not sure if PAGENT traffic can be offloaded to zIIP

On Tue, 29 Oct, 2019, 9:26 PM R.S.,  wrote:

> Michael,
> It's not so easy.
> You use encrypted communication. That's what you know.
> However you don't know what hardware is used for enciphering/deciphering
> data.
> I'm rather sure that it is NOT CryptoExpress card (let's omit
> handshaking). Note, CPACF is not CryptoExpress. You can have CPACF and
> no CryptoExpress cards. You cannot have CryptoExpress cards without
> CPACF, but this is not interesting in this case.
> However sometimes it is not worth to use crypto hardware for very small
> data blocks. Like in terminal communication. In such case it can be
> software algorithm, which means CPU cycles. Or not, because AFAIK it can
> be offloaded to zIIP.
>
> --
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> Lodz, Poland
>
>
>
>
>
>
> W dniu 2019-10-29 o 10:47, Michael Babcock pisze:
> > I can’t say I’m 100% sure but highly suspect it does.  We don’t have our
> > crypto express cards configured yet so I know it’s not using them.
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 4:44 AM Jake Anderson 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> "We use Rockets’s Bluezone for our 3270 emulator and all 3270 traffic
> uses
> >> TLS 1.2 via IBM’s policy agent"
> >>
> >> All its workload goes to CPACF ?
> >>
> >> On Tue, 29 Oct, 2019, 1:42 PM Michael Babcock, 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> We use Rockets’s Bluezone for our 3270 emulator and all 3270 traffic
> uses
> >>> TLS 1.2 via IBM’s policy agent.
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 4:03 AM Jake Anderson <
> justmainfra...@gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
>  Hi
> 
>  Is it possible to encrypt TN3270 connectivity using CPACF ?
> 
>  Just trying to understand its functionality and has anyone tried this
>  functionality implementated for TN3270 connectivity.
> 
>  Jake
> 
> 
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Re: CPACF for TN3270 encryption

2019-10-29 Thread R.S.

Michael,
It's not so easy.
You use encrypted communication. That's what you know.
However you don't know what hardware is used for enciphering/deciphering 
data.
I'm rather sure that it is NOT CryptoExpress card (let's omit 
handshaking). Note, CPACF is not CryptoExpress. You can have CPACF and 
no CryptoExpress cards. You cannot have CryptoExpress cards without 
CPACF, but this is not interesting in this case.
However sometimes it is not worth to use crypto hardware for very small 
data blocks. Like in terminal communication. In such case it can be 
software algorithm, which means CPU cycles. Or not, because AFAIK it can 
be offloaded to zIIP.


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W dniu 2019-10-29 o 10:47, Michael Babcock pisze:

I can’t say I’m 100% sure but highly suspect it does.  We don’t have our
crypto express cards configured yet so I know it’s not using them.

On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 4:44 AM Jake Anderson 
wrote:


"We use Rockets’s Bluezone for our 3270 emulator and all 3270 traffic uses
TLS 1.2 via IBM’s policy agent"

All its workload goes to CPACF ?

On Tue, 29 Oct, 2019, 1:42 PM Michael Babcock, 
wrote:


We use Rockets’s Bluezone for our 3270 emulator and all 3270 traffic uses
TLS 1.2 via IBM’s policy agent.

On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 4:03 AM Jake Anderson 
wrote:


Hi

Is it possible to encrypt TN3270 connectivity using CPACF ?

Just trying to understand its functionality and has anyone tried this
functionality implementated for TN3270 connectivity.

Jake





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Re: CPACF for TN3270 encryption

2019-10-29 Thread Mike Wawiorko
Try this aging SHARE presentation from 2014. You'll probably find a more recent 
one if your search the web or SHARE.

https://share.confex.com/share/123/webprogram/Handout/Session15660/SharePittsburgh15660_Aug2014_System_SSL_And_Crypto.pdf


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Re: CPACF for TN3270 encryption

2019-10-29 Thread Michael Babcock
I can’t say I’m 100% sure but highly suspect it does.  We don’t have our
crypto express cards configured yet so I know it’s not using them.

On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 4:44 AM Jake Anderson 
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> "We use Rockets’s Bluezone for our 3270 emulator and all 3270 traffic uses
> TLS 1.2 via IBM’s policy agent"
>
> All its workload goes to CPACF ?
>
> On Tue, 29 Oct, 2019, 1:42 PM Michael Babcock, 
> wrote:
>
> > We use Rockets’s Bluezone for our 3270 emulator and all 3270 traffic uses
> > TLS 1.2 via IBM’s policy agent.
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 4:03 AM Jake Anderson 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > Is it possible to encrypt TN3270 connectivity using CPACF ?
> > >
> > > Just trying to understand its functionality and has anyone tried this
> > > functionality implementated for TN3270 connectivity.
> > >
> > > Jake
> > >
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Re: CPACF for TN3270 encryption

2019-10-29 Thread Jake Anderson
"We use Rockets’s Bluezone for our 3270 emulator and all 3270 traffic uses
TLS 1.2 via IBM’s policy agent"

All its workload goes to CPACF ?

On Tue, 29 Oct, 2019, 1:42 PM Michael Babcock, 
wrote:

> We use Rockets’s Bluezone for our 3270 emulator and all 3270 traffic uses
> TLS 1.2 via IBM’s policy agent.
>
> On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 4:03 AM Jake Anderson 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi
> >
> > Is it possible to encrypt TN3270 connectivity using CPACF ?
> >
> > Just trying to understand its functionality and has anyone tried this
> > functionality implementated for TN3270 connectivity.
> >
> > Jake
> >
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Re: CPACF for TN3270 encryption

2019-10-29 Thread Michael Babcock
We use Rockets’s Bluezone for our 3270 emulator and all 3270 traffic uses
TLS 1.2 via IBM’s policy agent.

On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 4:03 AM Jake Anderson 
wrote:

> Hi
>
> Is it possible to encrypt TN3270 connectivity using CPACF ?
>
> Just trying to understand its functionality and has anyone tried this
> functionality implementated for TN3270 connectivity.
>
> Jake
>
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Re: CPACF for TN3270 encryption

2019-10-29 Thread ITschak Mugzach
Yes, if you use the policy agent (PAGENT).

ITschak

On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 11:03 AM Jake Anderson 
wrote:

> Hi
>
> Is it possible to encrypt TN3270 connectivity using CPACF ?
>
> Just trying to understand its functionality and has anyone tried this
> functionality implementated for TN3270 connectivity.
>
> Jake
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