Re: Considering Bypassing ERROR HOLD for OA58037

2019-09-18 Thread Gibney, Dave
I think I'm safe. Not nearly this volume and no dependency in SYS1.IMAGELIB

> -Original Message-
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> Behalf Of Brian Westerman
> Sent: Wednesday, September 18, 2019 1:12 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Considering Bypassing ERROR HOLD for OA58037
> 
> When you are only about 1/2 thorough the apar list, if you print more than
> 1000 jobs before restarting VPSIP, it would abend, the jobs all needed to
> use|need SYS1.IMAGELIB.  Then when we got to #18 on the list, the site
> could produce 84,000+ jobs (again all needed SYS1.IMAGELIB), before the
> abend.  Now with the next 3 apars, we appear to be able to print an
> unlimited number of jobs, but we split VPSIP into two separate regions and
> restart them both weekly just in case, but once we get the final 2 on, we will
> probably try to go without restarting any more.
> 
> BRian
> 
> 
> On Tue, 17 Sep 2019 18:44:02 +, Gibney, Dave 
> wrote:
> 
> >Well, I do run VPS/TCPIP
> >Key  Product Name
> >---  
> >012  DRS
> >001  VPS
> >004  VPS/PCL
> >002  VPS/TCPIP
> >
> >z/OS 2.1 at RSU1903 (RSU1908 included in the set that could come on with
> the error bypass.
> >We don't have many printers, but they are all TCP/IP network attached. So
> far I've not experienced (or at least not noticed) any of the errors in the 
> link.
> >
> >Since I found the Health Check disappointing, I could consider backing
> >the bypassed PTFs out. I haven't looked. Are the SMF fields with the
> >USERCSA data also part of one or more of the PTFs in this chain? There
> >were 27 that went on with the bypass and selecting UA94607. (And 31
> >others that had dependencies satisfied :) )
> >
> >Only running them in the sandboxes for now.
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On
> >> Behalf Of Brian Westerman
> >> Sent: Monday, September 16, 2019 9:22 PM
> >> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> >> Subject: Re: Considering Bypassing ERROR HOLD for OA58037
> >>
> >> That's part of a pretty long comedy of errors that apply to (mostly)
> >> LRS's VPSIP product.  If you are running VPSIP, like several of our
> >> sites, then you are likely aware of the issues that this whole string of
> aparas has caused.
> >>
> >> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-
> >> 3A__www.ibm.com_support_pages_debchk-2Ddeb-2Dlock-2Dnew-
> >> 2Dfunction-2Dlist-
> >>
> 2Dmaintenance=DwIFaQ=C3yme8gMkxg_ihJNXS06ZyWk4EJm8LdrrvxQ
> >> b-
> >>
> Je7sw=u9g8rUevBoyCPAdo5sWE9w=RfHnql3CpaS3KFsgCx5LqRORoZTp
> >> 07SIADw0RnXZmcA=4Cib0hikGVj-
> >> d0uZAk1aIUAIlm51FKWEuYtMho4Ehww=
> >>
> >> If you are not using VPSIP then it probably won't effect you either
> >> way to bypass the hold.
> >>
> >> Brian
> >>
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Re: Considering Bypassing ERROR HOLD for OA58037

2019-09-18 Thread Brian Westerman
That seems fair.  If you don't have VPSIP, or don't use it to the extent that 
some of our clients do, then you are good to go.

Brian

On Tue, 17 Sep 2019 20:10:32 +, Gibney, Dave  wrote:

>The only reason I considered the bypass was because the PE chain was 
>preventing the APPLY of the PTFs to aid detecting and migrating from USERCSA.
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On
>> Behalf Of Jousma, David
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2019 12:00 PM
>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>> Subject: Re: Considering Bypassing ERROR HOLD for OA58037
>> 
>> I'm getting confused by this thread.  I thought I recalled you had said the 
>> PTF
>> you were bypassing was for S16E?   All of those DEB Check PTF's are in
>> support of the changes needed for OSPROTECT.  And yes, we ran into the
>> S16E issue on certain application datasets, only in a blue moon.   
>> Eventually,
>> IBM got it all figured out, and the problem is fixed.   I do recall they 
>> said they
>> saw the problem in VPS, where VPS was opening/closing an IMAGELIB many
>> times.
>> 
>> But none of this had anything to do with USERKEY CSA.That’s an entirely
>> different animal, and needs to be rectified before going V2.4.
>> 
>> I suspect you won't have much luck backing these PTF's off because they
>> reach out and touch a lot of different modules.   The only real option would
>> be if you have a known complete backup of the entire SMPE environment
>> *before* the application of any of these PTF's.
>> 
>> Incidentally, we do have UA95897 applied for over a year now, and have not
>> run into the scenario that OA58037 describes.   Seems like a pretty small
>> window of problem, and even then, it was on a task/job that was being
>> cancelled to begin with.  I'd probably open ticket with IBM on that APAR, and
>> ask an opinion (which they may not give).
>> 
>> __
>> ___
>> Dave Jousma
>> AVP | Manager, Systems Engineering
>> 
>> Fifth Third Bank  |  1830 East Paris Ave, SE  |  MD RSCB2H  |  Grand Rapids, 
>> MI
>> 49546
>> 616.653.8429  |  fax: 616.653.2717
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On
>> Behalf Of Gibney, Dave
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2019 2:44 PM
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>> Subject: Re: Considering Bypassing ERROR HOLD for OA58037
>> 
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>> Well, I do run VPS/TCPIP
>> Key  Product Name
>> ---  
>> 012  DRS
>> 001  VPS
>> 004  VPS/PCL
>> 002  VPS/TCPIP
>> 
>> z/OS 2.1 at RSU1903 (RSU1908 included in the set that could come on with
>> the error bypass.
>> We don't have many printers, but they are all TCP/IP network attached. So
>> far I've not experienced (or at least not noticed) any of the errors in the 
>> link.
>> 
>> Since I found the Health Check disappointing, I could consider backing the
>> bypassed PTFs out. I haven't looked. Are the SMF fields with the USERCSA
>> data also part of one or more of the PTFs in this chain? There were 27 that
>> went on with the bypass and selecting UA94607. (And 31 others that had
>> dependencies satisfied :) )
>> 
>> Only running them in the sandboxes for now.
>> 
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On
>> > Behalf Of Brian Westerman
>> > Sent: Monday, September 16, 2019 9:22 PM
>> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>> > Subject: Re: Considering Bypassing ERROR HOLD for OA58037
>> >
>> > That's part of a pretty long comedy of errors that apply to (mostly)
>> > LRS's VPSIP product.  If you are running VPSIP, like several of our
>> > sites, then you are likely aware of the issues that this whole string of 
>> > aparas
>> has caused.
>> >
>> > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-
>> > 3A__www.ibm.com_support_pages_debchk-2Ddeb-2Dlock-2Dnew-
>> > 2Dfunction-2Dlist-
>> >
>> 2Dmaintenance=DwIFaQ=C3yme8gMkxg_ihJNXS06ZyWk4EJm8LdrrvxQ
>> > b-
>> >
>> Je7sw=u9g8rUevBoyCPAdo5sWE9w=RfHnql3CpaS3KFsgCx5LqRORoZTp
>> > 07SIADw0RnXZmcA=4Cib0hikGVj-
>> > d0uZAk1aIUAIlm51FKWEuYtMho4Ehww=
>> >
>> > If you are not using VPSIP then it probably won't effect you eithe

Re: Considering Bypassing ERROR HOLD for OA58037

2019-09-18 Thread Brian Westerman
You run into it when (for instance), VPSIP gets the 16e abend but won't come 
down.  Unfortunately, we found it the  'hard" way by cancelling VPSIP only to 
have to IPL when IGC00020 went into a tight loop.  It's still not completely 
fixed, but we know now not to let VPSIP get anywhere close to the limit before 
we recycle it.

Brian

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Re: Considering Bypassing ERROR HOLD for OA58037

2019-09-18 Thread Brian Westerman
I completely agree, when I apply maintenance, I ALWAYS create an entirely new 
target and dlib zone, and I keep the old one for at least a year.

Brian

On Tue, 17 Sep 2019 14:23:56 -0500, Tom Marchant  
wrote:

>On Tue, 17 Sep 2019 19:00:04 +, Jousma, David  wrote:
>
>>I suspect you won't have much luck backing these PTF's off because they reach 
>>out and touch a lot of different modules.   The only real option would be if 
>>you have a known complete backup of the entire SMPE environment *before* the 
>>application of any of these PTF's.
>
>Another reason to always clone target zones before applying maintenance.
>
>Here is another possible way to restore the PTFs that I have considered, but 
>haven't yet had a need to try.
>
>1. Clone your distribution zone and relate the cloned zone to your target zone.
>2. Accept everything that is keeping you from restoring the PTFs in your 
>cloned zone.
>3. Restore the PTFs.
>4. Relate the target zone back to the original distribution zone.
>
>Actually, if I was doing it, I would clone both the target and distribution 
>zones.
>
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Re: Considering Bypassing ERROR HOLD for OA58037

2019-09-18 Thread Brian Westerman
When you are only about 1/2 thorough the apar list, if you print more than 1000 
jobs before restarting VPSIP, it would abend, the jobs all needed to use|need 
SYS1.IMAGELIB.  Then when we got to #18 on the list, the site could produce 
84,000+ jobs (again all needed SYS1.IMAGELIB), before the abend.  Now with the 
next 3 apars, we appear to be able to print an unlimited number of jobs, but we 
split VPSIP into two separate regions and restart them both weekly just in 
case, but once we get the final 2 on, we will probably try to go without 
restarting any more.

BRian


On Tue, 17 Sep 2019 18:44:02 +, Gibney, Dave  wrote:

>Well, I do run VPS/TCPIP
>Key  Product Name 
>---   
>012  DRS
>001  VPS
>004  VPS/PCL
>002  VPS/TCPIP  
>
>z/OS 2.1 at RSU1903 (RSU1908 included in the set that could come on with the 
>error bypass. 
>We don't have many printers, but they are all TCP/IP network attached. So far 
>I've not experienced (or at least not noticed) any of the errors in the link.
>
>Since I found the Health Check disappointing, I could consider backing the 
>bypassed PTFs out. I haven't looked. Are the SMF fields with the USERCSA data 
>also part of one or more of the PTFs in this chain? There were 27 that went on 
>with the bypass and selecting UA94607. (And 31 others that had dependencies 
>satisfied :) )
>
>Only running them in the sandboxes for now.
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On
>> Behalf Of Brian Westerman
>> Sent: Monday, September 16, 2019 9:22 PM
>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>> Subject: Re: Considering Bypassing ERROR HOLD for OA58037
>> 
>> That's part of a pretty long comedy of errors that apply to (mostly) LRS's
>> VPSIP product.  If you are running VPSIP, like several of our sites, then you
>> are likely aware of the issues that this whole string of aparas has caused.
>> 
>> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-
>> 3A__www.ibm.com_support_pages_debchk-2Ddeb-2Dlock-2Dnew-
>> 2Dfunction-2Dlist-
>> 2Dmaintenance=DwIFaQ=C3yme8gMkxg_ihJNXS06ZyWk4EJm8LdrrvxQ
>> b-
>> Je7sw=u9g8rUevBoyCPAdo5sWE9w=RfHnql3CpaS3KFsgCx5LqRORoZTp
>> 07SIADw0RnXZmcA=4Cib0hikGVj-
>> d0uZAk1aIUAIlm51FKWEuYtMho4Ehww=
>> 
>> If you are not using VPSIP then it probably won't effect you either way to
>> bypass the hold.
>> 
>> Brian
>> 
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Re: Considering Bypassing ERROR HOLD for OA58037

2019-09-17 Thread Bruce Hewson
Hello Dave, 
yes you do need a newer level of MXG:-

Change 36.188  Support for new Bit 4 of SMF30_RAXFLAGS and creation of   
BUILD005   these new bit-level variables with explanation in label   
BUIL3005 SMF30_RAXFLAG0='RAX0*USERKEY*COMMON*AUDIT*ENABLED?' 
VMAC30   SMF30_RAXFLAG1='RAX1*USERKEY*COMON*AUDIT*USAGE?'
Oct 16, 2018 SMF30_RAXFLAG2='RAX2*USERKEY*CADS*USAGE?'   
 SMF30_RAXFLAG3='RAX3*USERKEY*CHANGE*KEY*USAGE?' 
 SMF30_RAXFLAG4='RAX4*USERKEY*RUCSA*USAGE?'  
   that are added to TYPE30_4/TYPE30_5/TYPE30_6/TYPE30_V 
   and PDB.STEPS for BUILDPDB (JES2) and BUILDPD3 (JES3).
   (Variable RAXFLAGS was added in MXG 35.09.)   
   Thanks to MP Welch, Bank of America, USA. 
 
Change 36.175  Support for SMF 30 User Key CSA Audit Enhancements adds   
VMAC30 new SMF30_RAXFLAGS to TYPE30_1, TYPE30_V, TYPE30_4 and
Sep 28, 2018   the TYPE30_5 datasets.  Change 35.212 (MXG 35.09+) Sep
Feb 28, 2018   2017 made the code change but the change text was still   
Sep 20, 2018   a "Reserved Change" until Feb 28, 2018, but had the old   
   35.212 Change Number, so it was only in CHANGESS member.  
   The IBM Record Change was made by APAR OA53355, but will  
   only be needed thru z/OS 2.3, as User Key Common Storage  
   usage support ends there. 
   This is Health Check ZOSMIGV22R3_NEXT_VSM_USERKEYCOMM.
   These APARs required no additional code changes:  
OA53434 Corrects IBM macros SMF30RPS,SMF30SDS lengths
not field lengths so it has no impact on MXG.
OA53289 Corrects value of SMF30HVR from zero to valid.   
OA45767 APAR that added the extra triplet caused OA53434 
See Change 36.188 which added new bit-level variables.   
 
Change 35.212  Support for SMF 30 User Key CSA Audit Enhancements adds   
VMAC30 new SMF30_RAXFLAGS to TYPE30_1, TYPE30_V, TYPE30_4 and
Sep 28, 2017   the TYPE30_5 datasets.  This code change has been in MXG  
Feb 28, 2018   35.09 and later, but this change text replaced previous   
   "Reserved Change" on Feb 28, 2018.  This field was added  
   by APAR OA53355, but will only be needed thru z/OS 2.3,   
   as User Key Common Storage usage support ends there.  
   This is Health Check ZOSMIGV22R3_NEXT_VSM_USERKEYCOMM.
   These APARs required no additional code changes:  
OA53434 Corrects ASM DSECT Lengths, no MXG impact
OA53289 Corrects value of SMF30HVR from zero to valid.   
OA45767 APAR that added the extra triplet caused OA53434 
 


On Tue, 17 Sep 2019 18:58:50 +, Gibney, Dave  wrote:

>Thank you, and also Dave Jousma who sent similar (same?) code privately. 
>I suspect my MXG level (V2929) needs some updating before I can run it. I 
>ordered 37.06 yesterday. Will install (or use the tricks to run mixed levels) 
>today.  
>I may try the techniques to run directly off of SMF and build PDB on the fly 
>also.
>

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Re: Considering Bypassing ERROR HOLD for OA58037

2019-09-17 Thread Gibney, Dave
The only reason I considered the bypass was because the PE chain was preventing 
the APPLY of the PTFs to aid detecting and migrating from USERCSA.

> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On
> Behalf Of Jousma, David
> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2019 12:00 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Considering Bypassing ERROR HOLD for OA58037
> 
> I'm getting confused by this thread.  I thought I recalled you had said the 
> PTF
> you were bypassing was for S16E?   All of those DEB Check PTF's are in
> support of the changes needed for OSPROTECT.  And yes, we ran into the
> S16E issue on certain application datasets, only in a blue moon.   Eventually,
> IBM got it all figured out, and the problem is fixed.   I do recall they said 
> they
> saw the problem in VPS, where VPS was opening/closing an IMAGELIB many
> times.
> 
> But none of this had anything to do with USERKEY CSA.That’s an entirely
> different animal, and needs to be rectified before going V2.4.
> 
> I suspect you won't have much luck backing these PTF's off because they
> reach out and touch a lot of different modules.   The only real option would
> be if you have a known complete backup of the entire SMPE environment
> *before* the application of any of these PTF's.
> 
> Incidentally, we do have UA95897 applied for over a year now, and have not
> run into the scenario that OA58037 describes.   Seems like a pretty small
> window of problem, and even then, it was on a task/job that was being
> cancelled to begin with.  I'd probably open ticket with IBM on that APAR, and
> ask an opinion (which they may not give).
> 
> __
> ___
> Dave Jousma
> AVP | Manager, Systems Engineering
> 
> Fifth Third Bank  |  1830 East Paris Ave, SE  |  MD RSCB2H  |  Grand Rapids, 
> MI
> 49546
> 616.653.8429  |  fax: 616.653.2717
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On
> Behalf Of Gibney, Dave
> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2019 2:44 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Considering Bypassing ERROR HOLD for OA58037
> 
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> Well, I do run VPS/TCPIP
> Key  Product Name
> ---  
> 012  DRS
> 001  VPS
> 004  VPS/PCL
> 002  VPS/TCPIP
> 
> z/OS 2.1 at RSU1903 (RSU1908 included in the set that could come on with
> the error bypass.
> We don't have many printers, but they are all TCP/IP network attached. So
> far I've not experienced (or at least not noticed) any of the errors in the 
> link.
> 
> Since I found the Health Check disappointing, I could consider backing the
> bypassed PTFs out. I haven't looked. Are the SMF fields with the USERCSA
> data also part of one or more of the PTFs in this chain? There were 27 that
> went on with the bypass and selecting UA94607. (And 31 others that had
> dependencies satisfied :) )
> 
> Only running them in the sandboxes for now.
> 
> > -----Original Message-
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On
> > Behalf Of Brian Westerman
> > Sent: Monday, September 16, 2019 9:22 PM
> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > Subject: Re: Considering Bypassing ERROR HOLD for OA58037
> >
> > That's part of a pretty long comedy of errors that apply to (mostly)
> > LRS's VPSIP product.  If you are running VPSIP, like several of our
> > sites, then you are likely aware of the issues that this whole string of 
> > aparas
> has caused.
> >
> > https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-
> > 3A__www.ibm.com_support_pages_debchk-2Ddeb-2Dlock-2Dnew-
> > 2Dfunction-2Dlist-
> >
> 2Dmaintenance=DwIFaQ=C3yme8gMkxg_ihJNXS06ZyWk4EJm8LdrrvxQ
> > b-
> >
> Je7sw=u9g8rUevBoyCPAdo5sWE9w=RfHnql3CpaS3KFsgCx5LqRORoZTp
> > 07SIADw0RnXZmcA=4Cib0hikGVj-
> > d0uZAk1aIUAIlm51FKWEuYtMho4Ehww=
> >
> > If you are not using VPSIP then it probably won't effect you either
> > way to bypass the hold.
> >
> > Brian
> >
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Re: Considering Bypassing ERROR HOLD for OA58037

2019-09-17 Thread Gibney, Dave
First, I consider many things. That doesn't mean I will ultimately decide to do 
them. If I consider further, I will of course start with RESTORE CHECK and 
evaluate the complexity, etc. 
Second, I ran ACCEPT for everything that would accept clean before I started 
this path. Applied all that was RSU* IBM*, or HIPER and not in error as a 
separate run before I did the bypass. So, I do a. Have back-ups of the state 
after ACCEPT and before APPLY(s) and b. It's a total of less that 100 PTFs 
total in the full difference between RSU1903 (prior and ACCEPTED state) and 
RSU1908 +error, now running in my sandboxes.

But, before I do anything in the way of backing out or going forward I will 
look further into the likelihood of this actually adversely effecting my 
systems.

> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On
> Behalf Of Tom Marchant
> Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2019 12:24 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Considering Bypassing ERROR HOLD for OA58037
> 
> On Tue, 17 Sep 2019 19:00:04 +, Jousma, David
>  wrote:
> 
> >I suspect you won't have much luck backing these PTF's off because they
> reach out and touch a lot of different modules.   The only real option would
> be if you have a known complete backup of the entire SMPE environment
> *before* the application of any of these PTF's.
> 
> Another reason to always clone target zones before applying maintenance.
> 
> Here is another possible way to restore the PTFs that I have considered, but
> haven't yet had a need to try.
> 
> 1. Clone your distribution zone and relate the cloned zone to your target
> zone.
> 2. Accept everything that is keeping you from restoring the PTFs in your
> cloned zone.
> 3. Restore the PTFs.
> 4. Relate the target zone back to the original distribution zone.
> 
> Actually, if I was doing it, I would clone both the target and distribution
> zones.
> 
> --
> Tom Marchant
> 
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Re: Considering Bypassing ERROR HOLD for OA58037

2019-09-17 Thread Allan Staller

Incidentally, we do have UA95897 applied for over a year now, and have not run 
into the scenario that OA58037 describes.   Seems like a pretty small window of 
problem, and even then, it was on a task/job that was being cancelled to begin 
with.  I'd probably open ticket with IBM on that APAR, and ask an opinion 
(which they may not give).


The above is what IBM told me as well.

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Re: Considering Bypassing ERROR HOLD for OA58037

2019-09-17 Thread Tom Marchant
On Tue, 17 Sep 2019 19:00:04 +, Jousma, David  wrote:

>I suspect you won't have much luck backing these PTF's off because they reach 
>out and touch a lot of different modules.   The only real option would be if 
>you have a known complete backup of the entire SMPE environment *before* the 
>application of any of these PTF's.

Another reason to always clone target zones before applying maintenance.

Here is another possible way to restore the PTFs that I have considered, but 
haven't yet had a need to try.

1. Clone your distribution zone and relate the cloned zone to your target zone.
2. Accept everything that is keeping you from restoring the PTFs in your cloned 
zone.
3. Restore the PTFs.
4. Relate the target zone back to the original distribution zone.

Actually, if I was doing it, I would clone both the target and distribution 
zones.

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Re: Considering Bypassing ERROR HOLD for OA58037

2019-09-17 Thread Jousma, David
I'm getting confused by this thread.  I thought I recalled you had said the PTF 
you were bypassing was for S16E?   All of those DEB Check PTF's are in support 
of the changes needed for OSPROTECT.  And yes, we ran into the S16E issue on 
certain application datasets, only in a blue moon.   Eventually, IBM got it all 
figured out, and the problem is fixed.   I do recall they said they saw the 
problem in VPS, where VPS was opening/closing an IMAGELIB many times.

But none of this had anything to do with USERKEY CSA.That’s an entirely 
different animal, and needs to be rectified before going V2.4.

I suspect you won't have much luck backing these PTF's off because they reach 
out and touch a lot of different modules.   The only real option would be if 
you have a known complete backup of the entire SMPE environment *before* the 
application of any of these PTF's.

Incidentally, we do have UA95897 applied for over a year now, and have not run 
into the scenario that OA58037 describes.   Seems like a pretty small window of 
problem, and even then, it was on a task/job that was being cancelled to begin 
with.  I'd probably open ticket with IBM on that APAR, and ask an opinion 
(which they may not give).

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Well, I do run VPS/TCPIP
Key  Product Name
---   
012  DRS
001  VPS
004  VPS/PCL
002  VPS/TCPIP  

z/OS 2.1 at RSU1903 (RSU1908 included in the set that could come on with the 
error bypass. 
We don't have many printers, but they are all TCP/IP network attached. So far 
I've not experienced (or at least not noticed) any of the errors in the link.

Since I found the Health Check disappointing, I could consider backing the 
bypassed PTFs out. I haven't looked. Are the SMF fields with the USERCSA data 
also part of one or more of the PTFs in this chain? There were 27 that went on 
with the bypass and selecting UA94607. (And 31 others that had dependencies 
satisfied :) )

Only running them in the sandboxes for now.
 
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On 
> Behalf Of Brian Westerman
> Sent: Monday, September 16, 2019 9:22 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Considering Bypassing ERROR HOLD for OA58037
> 
> That's part of a pretty long comedy of errors that apply to (mostly) 
> LRS's VPSIP product.  If you are running VPSIP, like several of our 
> sites, then you are likely aware of the issues that this whole string of 
> aparas has caused.
> 
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-
> 3A__www.ibm.com_support_pages_debchk-2Ddeb-2Dlock-2Dnew-
> 2Dfunction-2Dlist-
> 2Dmaintenance=DwIFaQ=C3yme8gMkxg_ihJNXS06ZyWk4EJm8LdrrvxQ
> b-
> Je7sw=u9g8rUevBoyCPAdo5sWE9w=RfHnql3CpaS3KFsgCx5LqRORoZTp
> 07SIADw0RnXZmcA=4Cib0hikGVj-
> d0uZAk1aIUAIlm51FKWEuYtMho4Ehww=
> 
> If you are not using VPSIP then it probably won't effect you either 
> way to bypass the hold.
> 
> Brian
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Re: Considering Bypassing ERROR HOLD for OA58037

2019-09-17 Thread Gibney, Dave
Thank you, and also Dave Jousma who sent similar (same?) code privately. 
I suspect my MXG level (V2929) needs some updating before I can run it. I 
ordered 37.06 yesterday. Will install (or use the tricks to run mixed levels) 
today.  
I may try the techniques to run directly off of SMF and build PDB on the fly 
also.

And, thank you for the offer, Andrew Rowley. But, we've already paid Barry and 
I don't like to do free trial stuff when I know I'll never be buying the 
product.

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> Sent: Monday, September 16, 2019 9:46 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Considering Bypassing ERROR HOLD for OA58037
> 
> On Mon, 16 Sep 2019 23:15:40 +, Gibney, Dave 
> wrote:
> 
> >Well, I did do this. But, I am not sure it was worth it. The
> ZOSMIGV2R3_NEXT_VSM_USERKEYCOMM check only tells me what I
> already knew. That I have some address spaces using user key common. I
> had hoped it went further and identified them. I know one for sure.
> >
> >Yes, I do see the info on interpreting SMF30_UserKeyCsaUsage and
> SMF30_UserKeyCadsUsage. So, I guess my next step is to see if my MXG
> level has this support, or do I need to update (in part, or fully) MXG.
> >
> 
> I forget who I got this code from, one of the list members websites:-
> 
> 
> // EXPORT SYMLIST=*
> //*
> // SET  DATE='06/01/2019' <<== SET Search Date
> // SET  SYSN=SYS1 <<== SET SYSTEM NAME
> // SET SMFID=PRD1 <<== SET SMF ID
> -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -   63 Line(s) not 
> Displayed
> //SYSINDD  *,SYMBOLS=EXECSYS
> 
> %INCLUDE SOURCLIB(TYPE30,SMFINTRV);
> 
>  DATA LIMIT;
>SET PDB.SMFINTRV ;
>IF CPUTM NE .  ;
> IF SMF30_RAXFLAGS='00'X THEN DELETE;
> IF SMF30_RAXFLAGS='40'X THEN DELETE;
> IF SMF30_RAXFLAGS='80'X THEN DELETE;
> /* 1000 = 80 = AUDIT ON  */
> /* 1001 = 90 = CHANGE KEY*/
> /* 1010 = A0 = CADS USAGE*/
> /* 1011 = B0 = CADS+CHANGE KEY   */
> /* 1100 = C0 = CSA USAGE */
> /* 1101 = D0 = CSA+CHANGE KEY*/
> /* 1110 = E0 = CSA+CADS  */
> /*  = F0 = CSA+CADS+CHANGEKEY*/
> IF SMF30_RAXFLAGS='90'X THEN USERKEY='CHGKEY' ;
> IF SMF30_RAXFLAGS='A0'X THEN USERKEY='CADS' ;
> IF SMF30_RAXFLAGS='B0'X THEN USERKEY='CADS+CHGKEY' ;
> IF SMF30_RAXFLAGS='C0'X THEN USERKEY='CSA' ;
> IF SMF30_RAXFLAGS='D0'X THEN USERKEY='CSA+CHGKEY' ;
> IF SMF30_RAXFLAGS='E0'X THEN USERKEY='CSA+CADS' ;
> IF SMF30_RAXFLAGS='F0'X THEN USERKEY='CSA+CADS+CHGKEY' ;
>RUN;
> 
>  PROC MEANS DATA=LIMIT SUM NWAY MISSING NONOBS PRINT;
> CLASS  SYSTEM JOB PROGRAM SMF30_RAXFLAGS USERKEY;
> VAR CPUTM;
>  OUTPUT OUT=POSTAV1(DROP=_TYPE_) SUM = GCPU  ;
> 
>  OPTIONS LS=80 ;
> 
>  PROC PRINTTO FILE=USERKEY ;
> 
>  PROC PRINT DATA=POSTAV1;
>TITLE1 ' ' ;
>TITLE2 'SMF30_USERKEY  ';
>ID SYSTEM PROGRAM SMF30_RAXFLAGS USERKEY ;
>VAR JOB;
>RUN;
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Re: Considering Bypassing ERROR HOLD for OA58037

2019-09-17 Thread Allan Staller
That is a LONG*** pe chain to restore/re-apply

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Gibney, Dave
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2019 1:44 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Considering Bypassing ERROR HOLD for OA58037

Well, I do run VPS/TCPIP
Key  Product Name
---  
012  DRS
001  VPS
004  VPS/PCL
002  VPS/TCPIP

z/OS 2.1 at RSU1903 (RSU1908 included in the set that could come on with the 
error bypass.
We don't have many printers, but they are all TCP/IP network attached. So far 
I've not experienced (or at least not noticed) any of the errors in the link.

Since I found the Health Check disappointing, I could consider backing the 
bypassed PTFs out. I haven't looked. Are the SMF fields with the USERCSA data 
also part of one or more of the PTFs in this chain? There were 27 that went on 
with the bypass and selecting UA94607. (And 31 others that had dependencies 
satisfied :) )

Only running them in the sandboxes for now.

> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On
> Behalf Of Brian Westerman
> Sent: Monday, September 16, 2019 9:22 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Considering Bypassing ERROR HOLD for OA58037
>
> That's part of a pretty long comedy of errors that apply to (mostly)
> LRS's VPSIP product.  If you are running VPSIP, like several of our
> sites, then you are likely aware of the issues that this whole string of 
> aparas has caused.
>
> https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Furld
> efense.proofpoint.com%2Fv2%2Furl%3Fu%3Dhttps-data=02%7C01%7Callan
> .staller%40HCL.COM%7C86f7d61528b346b4d1da08d73b9f2984%7C189de737c93a4f
> 5a8b686f4ca9941912%7C0%7C1%7C637043427118885256sdata=oli6MDONl2sj
> 4xIwtOJ2Jkl5YzCyWwOJtfmqF2lpY7o%3Dreserved=0
> 3A__www.ibm.com_support_pages_debchk-2Ddeb-2Dlock-2Dnew-
> 2Dfunction-2Dlist-
> 2Dmaintenance=DwIFaQ=C3yme8gMkxg_ihJNXS06ZyWk4EJm8LdrrvxQ
> b-
> Je7sw=u9g8rUevBoyCPAdo5sWE9w=RfHnql3CpaS3KFsgCx5LqRORoZTp
> 07SIADw0RnXZmcA=4Cib0hikGVj-
> d0uZAk1aIUAIlm51FKWEuYtMho4Ehww=
>
> If you are not using VPSIP then it probably won't effect you either
> way to bypass the hold.
>
> Brian
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Re: Considering Bypassing ERROR HOLD for OA58037

2019-09-17 Thread Gibney, Dave
Well, I do run VPS/TCPIP
Key  Product Name 
---   
012  DRS
001  VPS
004  VPS/PCL
002  VPS/TCPIP  

z/OS 2.1 at RSU1903 (RSU1908 included in the set that could come on with the 
error bypass. 
We don't have many printers, but they are all TCP/IP network attached. So far 
I've not experienced (or at least not noticed) any of the errors in the link.

Since I found the Health Check disappointing, I could consider backing the 
bypassed PTFs out. I haven't looked. Are the SMF fields with the USERCSA data 
also part of one or more of the PTFs in this chain? There were 27 that went on 
with the bypass and selecting UA94607. (And 31 others that had dependencies 
satisfied :) )

Only running them in the sandboxes for now.
 
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On
> Behalf Of Brian Westerman
> Sent: Monday, September 16, 2019 9:22 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Considering Bypassing ERROR HOLD for OA58037
> 
> That's part of a pretty long comedy of errors that apply to (mostly) LRS's
> VPSIP product.  If you are running VPSIP, like several of our sites, then you
> are likely aware of the issues that this whole string of aparas has caused.
> 
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-
> 3A__www.ibm.com_support_pages_debchk-2Ddeb-2Dlock-2Dnew-
> 2Dfunction-2Dlist-
> 2Dmaintenance=DwIFaQ=C3yme8gMkxg_ihJNXS06ZyWk4EJm8LdrrvxQ
> b-
> Je7sw=u9g8rUevBoyCPAdo5sWE9w=RfHnql3CpaS3KFsgCx5LqRORoZTp
> 07SIADw0RnXZmcA=4Cib0hikGVj-
> d0uZAk1aIUAIlm51FKWEuYtMho4Ehww=
> 
> If you are not using VPSIP then it probably won't effect you either way to
> bypass the hold.
> 
> Brian
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Re: Considering Bypassing ERROR HOLD for OA58037

2019-09-16 Thread Bruce Hewson
On Mon, 16 Sep 2019 23:15:40 +, Gibney, Dave  wrote:

>Well, I did do this. But, I am not sure it was worth it. The 
>ZOSMIGV2R3_NEXT_VSM_USERKEYCOMM check only tells me what I already knew. That 
>I have some address spaces using user key common. I had hoped it went further 
>and identified them. I know one for sure.
>
>Yes, I do see the info on interpreting SMF30_UserKeyCsaUsage and 
>SMF30_UserKeyCadsUsage. So, I guess my next step is to see if my MXG level has 
>this support, or do I need to update (in part, or fully) MXG. 
>

I forget who I got this code from, one of the list members websites:-


// EXPORT SYMLIST=*
//*
// SET  DATE='06/01/2019' <<== SET Search Date 
// SET  SYSN=SYS1 <<== SET SYSTEM NAME 
// SET SMFID=PRD1 <<== SET SMF ID  
-  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -  -   63 Line(s) not Displayed
//SYSINDD  *,SYMBOLS=EXECSYS   
   
%INCLUDE SOURCLIB(TYPE30,SMFINTRV);
   
 DATA LIMIT;   
   SET PDB.SMFINTRV ;  
   IF CPUTM NE .  ;
IF SMF30_RAXFLAGS='00'X THEN DELETE;   
IF SMF30_RAXFLAGS='40'X THEN DELETE;   
IF SMF30_RAXFLAGS='80'X THEN DELETE;   
/* 1000 = 80 = AUDIT ON  */
/* 1001 = 90 = CHANGE KEY*/
/* 1010 = A0 = CADS USAGE*/
/* 1011 = B0 = CADS+CHANGE KEY   */
/* 1100 = C0 = CSA USAGE */
/* 1101 = D0 = CSA+CHANGE KEY*/
/* 1110 = E0 = CSA+CADS  */
/*  = F0 = CSA+CADS+CHANGEKEY*/
IF SMF30_RAXFLAGS='90'X THEN USERKEY='CHGKEY' ;
IF SMF30_RAXFLAGS='A0'X THEN USERKEY='CADS' ;  
IF SMF30_RAXFLAGS='B0'X THEN USERKEY='CADS+CHGKEY' ;   
IF SMF30_RAXFLAGS='C0'X THEN USERKEY='CSA' ;   
IF SMF30_RAXFLAGS='D0'X THEN USERKEY='CSA+CHGKEY' ;
IF SMF30_RAXFLAGS='E0'X THEN USERKEY='CSA+CADS' ;  
IF SMF30_RAXFLAGS='F0'X THEN USERKEY='CSA+CADS+CHGKEY' ;   
   RUN;
   
 PROC MEANS DATA=LIMIT SUM NWAY MISSING NONOBS PRINT;  
CLASS  SYSTEM JOB PROGRAM SMF30_RAXFLAGS USERKEY;  
VAR CPUTM; 
 OUTPUT OUT=POSTAV1(DROP=_TYPE_) SUM = GCPU  ; 
   
 OPTIONS LS=80 ;   
   
 PROC PRINTTO FILE=USERKEY ;   
   
 PROC PRINT DATA=POSTAV1;  
   TITLE1 ' ' ;
   TITLE2 'SMF30_USERKEY  ';   
   ID SYSTEM PROGRAM SMF30_RAXFLAGS USERKEY ;  
   VAR JOB;
   RUN;
/* 

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Re: Considering Bypassing ERROR HOLD for OA58037

2019-09-16 Thread Brian Westerman
That's part of a pretty long comedy of errors that apply to (mostly) LRS's 
VPSIP product.  If you are running VPSIP, like several of our sites, then you 
are likely aware of the issues that this whole string of aparas has caused.

https://www.ibm.com/support/pages/debchk-deb-lock-new-function-list-maintenance

If you are not using VPSIP then it probably won't effect you either way to 
bypass the hold.

Brian

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Re: Considering Bypassing ERROR HOLD for OA58037

2019-09-16 Thread Andrew Rowley

On 17/09/2019 9:15 am, Gibney, Dave wrote:

Yes, I do see the info on interpreting SMF30_UserKeyCsaUsage and 
SMF30_UserKeyCadsUsage. So, I guess my next step is to see if my MXG level has 
this support, or do I need to update (in part, or fully) MXG.

Or, alternatively, is there some ICE tool support for this question.


You could use the EasySMF 30 day trial to find the address spaces.

https://www.blackhillsoftware.com/30-day-trial/


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Re: Considering Bypassing ERROR HOLD for OA58037

2019-09-16 Thread Gibney, Dave
Well, I did do this. But, I am not sure it was worth it. The 
ZOSMIGV2R3_NEXT_VSM_USERKEYCOMM check only tells me what I already knew. That I 
have some address spaces using user key common. I had hoped it went further and 
identified them. I know one for sure.

Yes, I do see the info on interpreting SMF30_UserKeyCsaUsage and 
SMF30_UserKeyCadsUsage. So, I guess my next step is to see if my MXG level has 
this support, or do I need to update (in part, or fully) MXG. 

Or, alternatively, is there some ICE tool support for this question.

> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On
> Behalf Of Allan Staller
> Sent: Monday, September 16, 2019 5:26 AM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Considering Bypassing ERROR HOLD for OA58037
> 
> I just this the same thing. The DEBCHK lock function is a pe-chain that seems
> it has run on for about 18 months.
> I ended up bypassing 2 APARs that do not affect my installation.
> 
> OA58037 is according to L2 support, a very specific set of conditions.
> 
> IMO, it is OK to bypass an error hold, as long as you are aware of the
> consequences (why else would IBM have written the code?).
> It should not be done lightly, but it is OK to do so.
> 
> HTH,
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On
> Behalf Of Gibney, Dave
> Sent: Friday, September 13, 2019 5:27 PM
> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Subject: Considering Bypassing ERROR HOLD for OA58037
> 
> For your Friday :)
> This APAR is holding UA96589 for OA51485. Since OA51485 is an INTEGRITY
> PROBLEM, there is very little info on it. Reading OA51485, I think the issue 
> is
> unlikely on my systems(s) I would likely on implement this bypass in
> sandboxes and maybe development LPARs.
> 
> The reason is that I would really like to have the
> ZOSMIGV2R3_NEXT_VSM_USERKEYCOMM health check from
> OA53355/UA94607 But, UA94607 needs UA93212 which needs UA97270
> which needs UA96464 which needs UA96468 which needs UA96527 which
> needs UA96536 which needs UA96586 which needs  the held UA96589
> 
> As mentioned, I doubt I will encounter the problem of OA51485 or consider it
> a fatal issue if I do.
> OA58037: ABEND 16E RC=0 after CANCEL is issued during OPEN processing
> 19/08/12 PTF PECHANGE z/OS APAR status • OPEN Error description • This
> problem happens when a CANCEL is issued while the Access • Method
> Executors are processing an OPEN.
> • When this occurs, IFG0RR0A is called because of the ABEND13E. It • starts
> clean up and IFG0RR0B calls IGG020T1, which in turn goes • to IGG0201Z, it
> issues LOCKEXCL, which receives RSN - x'0C07'.
> • IGG0201Z at DEBCHKRB can handle that return, but makes one • additional
> check for - DEBXDEBLOCKX. It is not on so we continue • with ABEND16E-00,
> • • DEBCHK/K •
> 
> 
> The SMP/E APPLY step I've been cloning for decades includes a commented
> out BYPASS(
> /*HOLDERROR( )
> So I must have done this at least once before. I have no recollection as to
> when or why 
> 
> Dave Gibney
> Information Technology Services
> Washington State University
> 
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Re: Considering Bypassing ERROR HOLD for OA58037

2019-09-16 Thread Allan Staller
I just this the same thing. The DEBCHK lock function is a pe-chain that seems 
it has run on for about 18 months.
I ended up bypassing 2 APARs that do not affect my installation.

OA58037 is according to L2 support, a very specific set of conditions.

IMO, it is OK to bypass an error hold, as long as you are aware of the 
consequences (why else would IBM have written the code?).
It should not be done lightly, but it is OK to do so.

HTH,

-Original Message-
From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  On Behalf Of 
Gibney, Dave
Sent: Friday, September 13, 2019 5:27 PM
To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Subject: Considering Bypassing ERROR HOLD for OA58037

For your Friday :)
This APAR is holding UA96589 for OA51485. Since OA51485 is an INTEGRITY 
PROBLEM, there is very little info on it. Reading OA51485, I think the issue is 
unlikely on my systems(s) I would likely on implement this bypass in sandboxes 
and maybe development LPARs.

The reason is that I would really like to have the 
ZOSMIGV2R3_NEXT_VSM_USERKEYCOMM health check from OA53355/UA94607 But, UA94607 
needs UA93212 which needs UA97270 which needs UA96464 which needs UA96468 which 
needs UA96527 which needs UA96536 which needs UA96586 which needs  the held 
UA96589

As mentioned, I doubt I will encounter the problem of OA51485 or consider it a 
fatal issue if I do.
OA58037: ABEND 16E RC=0 after CANCEL is issued during OPEN processing 19/08/12 
PTF PECHANGE z/OS APAR status • OPEN Error description • This problem happens 
when a CANCEL is issued while the Access • Method Executors are processing an 
OPEN.
• When this occurs, IFG0RR0A is called because of the ABEND13E. It • starts 
clean up and IFG0RR0B calls IGG020T1, which in turn goes • to IGG0201Z, it 
issues LOCKEXCL, which receives RSN - x'0C07'.
• IGG0201Z at DEBCHKRB can handle that return, but makes one • additional check 
for - DEBXDEBLOCKX. It is not on so we continue • with ABEND16E-00, • • 
DEBCHK/K •


The SMP/E APPLY step I've been cloning for decades includes a commented out
BYPASS(
/*HOLDERROR( )
So I must have done this at least once before. I have no recollection as to 
when or why 

Dave Gibney
Information Technology Services
Washington State University


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