Re: Mainframe t-shirt store

2021-05-19 Thread Bob Bridges 
Well, if we're going to go there, have you seen
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/1h1cyg/whats_the_most_intellectu
al_joke_you_know/?

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Re: Mainframe t-shirt store

2021-05-19 Thread Bob Bridges 
Very nice!  I buy my T-shirts sans message, on principle, but I'm sorely
tempted by two or three of these.  My favorite might be the one that says
"Up time measured in decades".

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If you haven't seen this, then check it out.

www.mainframestore.com

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Re: [External] Re: Mainframe t-shirt store

2021-05-15 Thread Pommier, Rex 
Not mainframe specific, but air handling for the datacenter.  We upgraded our 
air conditioners on second floor.  Wee planning on bringing them in via crane 
through second story window.  A/C manufacturer wouldn't allow us to lay them on 
their side to bring in, but were just fine with the installer taking a sawzall 
and cutting them into thirds so they could be brought in standing upright, up 
the elevator.  

Rex

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Just seemed easier to write at that moment  than Plug Compatible Mainframe, or 
PCM, which opens up another debate on for what PCM is an acronym.

"Yo mainframe so fat it cannot be thrown out a window and must be lifted  in 
and out with a crane costing thousands more in delivery and installation fees."

Been there, done that in my mainframe career. Both in and out the building 
windows that had to be removed to accommodate the heavy mainframe equipment.



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Re: Mainframe t-shirt store

2021-05-15 Thread Radoslaw Skorupka 
That's why I had to describe physical and environmental requirements for 
next data center.

Door dimensions were one of the "must have" parameters.
Amazing, we talked to several companies interested in 
adaptation/development of the DC - literally NO ONE HAD IDEA about the 
requirements! They were even unaware such requirements should be defined 
and documented somehow.


BTW: I visited many data centers and saw only ONE without drawbacks. Or 
I'm just unaware of something ;-)

Of course there are different levels of importancy for the requirements.

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W dniu 14.05.2021 o 21:26, Tom Brennan pisze:
And dimensions!  Late last year I was at a site that brought a new z15 
into their datacenter.  Remotely, we all "thought" the doorway was 
tall enough but later I was told someone measured the doorway without 
taking into consideration the 1/2" metal top door jamb. Luckily that 
part could be removed with a few screws and the mainframe made it 
through.  I wasn't there at the time, but later they showed me scratch 
marks in the paint at the top of the doorway, made even with the jamb 
removed.  Push!!


On 5/14/2021 10:47 AM, Gary Eheman wrote:
I get it.  Like, "Yo mainframe so fat it requires floor loading 
calculations  be performed before it can enter the room."  ;-)


On Fri, 14 May 2021 07:54:20 -0700, Charles Mills  
wrote:



It's a joke.

Charles


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On Thu, 13 May 2021 17:58:55 +, PINION, RICHARD W. 
 wrote:



If you haven't seen this, then check it out.

www.mainframestore.com


As a guy who has spent more than 30 years at both IBM and FSI 
building hybrid mainframes for customers that I could both lift and 
throw out of a window if I had a reason, I can say that there are 
certainly two t-shirt designs on that site that were ill conceived.  
No thanks.




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Re: Mainframe t-shirt store

2021-05-14 Thread Tom Brennan 
Wow!  And now I know what spandrels and mullions are, since Wiki makes 
links out of words I probably don't know (and they were right).


On 5/14/2021 2:09 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote:

Your windows didn't throw themselves?  
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hancock_Tower>


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Friday Story: Throwing things out the window reminds me of when I worked
on the 3rd floor of the Edison Building in Long Beach, CA (visible in
one of the scenes in "It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World"), and someone ran up
to me telling me I better go move my car.  It was parked outside near an
old apartment building where a woman was throwing heavy things (TV,
furniture, etc.) out the 2nd story window while yelling loudly at
someone.  My car was just below the window and somehow managed to avoid
being hit.

On 5/14/2021 1:11 PM, Tom Brennan wrote:

Got it, thanks.  At first I was thinking zBX too, but that wasn't
available 30 years ago.  Then thought maybe AS/400, which people (not
me) sometimes call Mainframes.

Now I'm trying to remember if I ever threw one of my old x86 boxes out
the window.  Probably out the door, but not a window.

On 5/14/2021 12:57 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote:

Had I seen the term hybrid mainframe out of context then I would have
taken it as ZBX, but I assume that Greg meant a small system
compatible with a mainframe, e.g., P/390, PDT.

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Subject: Re: Mainframe t-shirt store

Maybe just for me, but what's a Hybrid Mainframe?

On 5/14/2021 9:58 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:

That depends on what you mean by "mainframe". By the classic
definition, those aren't mainframes.


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On Thu, 13 May 2021 17:58:55 +, PINION, RICHARD W.
 wrote:


If you haven't seen this, then check it out.

http://secure-web.cisco.com/127-m0Rgk2KvVVd1YOv2m0zSRN9stAg9WKS6Q9-z8f757Gxr6TV-q8N2GCpy_BZICAVMAZTFiNxjQ2PP4fajkbfT56jLCbF4lhR53Zb-CazxD2YmghpWZIxRmzoAg_KOEiWoaU9hx1mHede5G0mQNJkuFzvgW7t0b_848NkDGZC4cPuHCMmJBxSvJNIjTCOc1AfR8HiLD5H991l10g3YmUaHO4J2ZA82aMlDCMfc2Nfuk2iSgdWjNFhVG-Xi_YlQpShaQElVGJyMKqjwFqrYi1xSo7JPkFOXbEiWHzfHDmVhmBvZs-s_EaNBPxHVkaP8DoUBKX4_TbI16boanoi2oDApV1Js3yL3ElbighVAIBFgx-tkAsvFFjU3ApiS1rdUI-KNPOBrChRHYVOaqLp6GhZtiw01Vjg_m_jjaJ3pxI9UmEhJrH0-45V4yQcyvLMnS/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mainframestore.com



As a guy who has spent more than 30 years at both IBM and FSI
building hybrid mainframes for customers that I could both lift and
throw out of a window if I had a reason, I can say that there are
certainly two t-shirt designs on that site that were ill conceived.
No thanks.

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Re: Mainframe t-shirt store

2021-05-14 Thread Seymour J Metz 
Your windows didn't throw themselves?  
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hancock_Tower>


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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Tom 
Brennan [t...@tombrennansoftware.com]
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Friday Story: Throwing things out the window reminds me of when I worked
on the 3rd floor of the Edison Building in Long Beach, CA (visible in
one of the scenes in "It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World"), and someone ran up
to me telling me I better go move my car.  It was parked outside near an
old apartment building where a woman was throwing heavy things (TV,
furniture, etc.) out the 2nd story window while yelling loudly at
someone.  My car was just below the window and somehow managed to avoid
being hit.

On 5/14/2021 1:11 PM, Tom Brennan wrote:
> Got it, thanks.  At first I was thinking zBX too, but that wasn't
> available 30 years ago.  Then thought maybe AS/400, which people (not
> me) sometimes call Mainframes.
>
> Now I'm trying to remember if I ever threw one of my old x86 boxes out
> the window.  Probably out the door, but not a window.
>
> On 5/14/2021 12:57 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>> Had I seen the term hybrid mainframe out of context then I would have
>> taken it as ZBX, but I assume that Greg meant a small system
>> compatible with a mainframe, e.g., P/390, PDT.
>>
>> --
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>> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
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>>
>> 
>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on
>> behalf of Tom Brennan 
>> Sent: Friday, May 14, 2021 3:32 PM
>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>> Subject: Re: Mainframe t-shirt store
>>
>> Maybe just for me, but what's a Hybrid Mainframe?
>>
>> On 5/14/2021 9:58 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>>> That depends on what you mean by "mainframe". By the classic
>>> definition, those aren't mainframes.
>>>
>>>
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>>> behalf of Gary Eheman [ehe...@funsoft.com]
>>> Sent: Friday, May 14, 2021 10:25 AM
>>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>>> Subject: Re: Mainframe t-shirt store
>>>
>>> On Thu, 13 May 2021 17:58:55 +, PINION, RICHARD W.
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> If you haven't seen this, then check it out.
>>>>
>>>> http://secure-web.cisco.com/127-m0Rgk2KvVVd1YOv2m0zSRN9stAg9WKS6Q9-z8f757Gxr6TV-q8N2GCpy_BZICAVMAZTFiNxjQ2PP4fajkbfT56jLCbF4lhR53Zb-CazxD2YmghpWZIxRmzoAg_KOEiWoaU9hx1mHede5G0mQNJkuFzvgW7t0b_848NkDGZC4cPuHCMmJBxSvJNIjTCOc1AfR8HiLD5H991l10g3YmUaHO4J2ZA82aMlDCMfc2Nfuk2iSgdWjNFhVG-Xi_YlQpShaQElVGJyMKqjwFqrYi1xSo7JPkFOXbEiWHzfHDmVhmBvZs-s_EaNBPxHVkaP8DoUBKX4_TbI16boanoi2oDApV1Js3yL3ElbighVAIBFgx-tkAsvFFjU3ApiS1rdUI-KNPOBrChRHYVOaqLp6GhZtiw01Vjg_m_jjaJ3pxI9UmEhJrH0-45V4yQcyvLMnS/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mainframestore.com
>>>>
>>>
>>> As a guy who has spent more than 30 years at both IBM and FSI
>>> building hybrid mainframes for customers that I could both lift and
>>> throw out of a window if I had a reason, I can say that there are
>>> certainly two t-shirt designs on that site that were ill conceived.
>>> No thanks.
>>>
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Re: Mainframe t-shirt store

2021-05-14 Thread Seymour J Metz 
I've never seen the term "Plug Compatible Mainframe"; it looks like a backronym 
by someone who had never seen the beast. PCM is Plug Compatible Manufacturer, 
which is why the term was applied to, e.g., terminals.


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From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of 
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Just seemed easier to write at that moment  than Plug Compatible Mainframe, or 
PCM, which opens up another debate on for what PCM is an acronym.

"Yo mainframe so fat it cannot be thrown out a window and must be lifted  in 
and out with a crane costing thousands more in delivery and installation fees."

Been there, done that in my mainframe career. Both in and out the building 
windows that had to be removed to accommodate the heavy mainframe equipment.

On Fri, 14 May 2021 19:57:37 +, Seymour J Metz  wrote:

>Had I seen the term hybrid mainframe out of context then I would have taken it 
>as ZBX, but I assume that Greg meant a small system compatible with a 
>mainframe, e.g., P/390, PDT.
>
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>
>
>From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
>Tom Brennan 
>Sent: Friday, May 14, 2021 3:32 PM
>To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>Subject: Re: Mainframe t-shirt store
>
>Maybe just for me, but what's a Hybrid Mainframe?
>
>On 5/14/2021 9:58 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>> That depends on what you mean by "mainframe". By the classic definition, 
>> those aren't mainframes.
>>
>>
>> --
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>> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
>>
>> 
>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of 
>> Gary Eheman [ehe...@funsoft.com]
>> Sent: Friday, May 14, 2021 10:25 AM
>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>> Subject: Re: Mainframe t-shirt store
>>
>> On Thu, 13 May 2021 17:58:55 +, PINION, RICHARD W. 
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> If you haven't seen this, then check it out.
>>>
>>> http://secure-web.cisco.com/127-m0Rgk2KvVVd1YOv2m0zSRN9stAg9WKS6Q9-z8f757Gxr6TV-q8N2GCpy_BZICAVMAZTFiNxjQ2PP4fajkbfT56jLCbF4lhR53Zb-CazxD2YmghpWZIxRmzoAg_KOEiWoaU9hx1mHede5G0mQNJkuFzvgW7t0b_848NkDGZC4cPuHCMmJBxSvJNIjTCOc1AfR8HiLD5H991l10g3YmUaHO4J2ZA82aMlDCMfc2Nfuk2iSgdWjNFhVG-Xi_YlQpShaQElVGJyMKqjwFqrYi1xSo7JPkFOXbEiWHzfHDmVhmBvZs-s_EaNBPxHVkaP8DoUBKX4_TbI16boanoi2oDApV1Js3yL3ElbighVAIBFgx-tkAsvFFjU3ApiS1rdUI-KNPOBrChRHYVOaqLp6GhZtiw01Vjg_m_jjaJ3pxI9UmEhJrH0-45V4yQcyvLMnS/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mainframestore.com
>>
>> As a guy who has spent more than 30 years at both IBM and FSI building 
>> hybrid mainframes for customers that I could both lift and throw out of a 
>> window if I had a reason, I can say that there are certainly two t-shirt 
>> designs on that site that were ill conceived.  No thanks.
>>
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Re: Mainframe t-shirt store

2021-05-14 Thread Gary Eheman 
Just seemed easier to write at that moment  than Plug Compatible Mainframe, or 
PCM, which opens up another debate on for what PCM is an acronym.

"Yo mainframe so fat it cannot be thrown out a window and must be lifted  in 
and out with a crane costing thousands more in delivery and installation fees."

Been there, done that in my mainframe career. Both in and out the building 
windows that had to be removed to accommodate the heavy mainframe equipment.

On Fri, 14 May 2021 19:57:37 +, Seymour J Metz  wrote:

>Had I seen the term hybrid mainframe out of context then I would have taken it 
>as ZBX, but I assume that Greg meant a small system compatible with a 
>mainframe, e.g., P/390, PDT.
>
>--
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>
>
>
>From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List  on behalf of 
>Tom Brennan 
>Sent: Friday, May 14, 2021 3:32 PM
>To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>Subject: Re: Mainframe t-shirt store
>
>Maybe just for me, but what's a Hybrid Mainframe?
>
>On 5/14/2021 9:58 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
>> That depends on what you mean by "mainframe". By the classic definition, 
>> those aren't mainframes.
>>
>>
>> --
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>> http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3
>>
>> 
>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of 
>> Gary Eheman [ehe...@funsoft.com]
>> Sent: Friday, May 14, 2021 10:25 AM
>> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
>> Subject: Re: Mainframe t-shirt store
>>
>> On Thu, 13 May 2021 17:58:55 +, PINION, RICHARD W. 
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> If you haven't seen this, then check it out.
>>>
>>> http://secure-web.cisco.com/127-m0Rgk2KvVVd1YOv2m0zSRN9stAg9WKS6Q9-z8f757Gxr6TV-q8N2GCpy_BZICAVMAZTFiNxjQ2PP4fajkbfT56jLCbF4lhR53Zb-CazxD2YmghpWZIxRmzoAg_KOEiWoaU9hx1mHede5G0mQNJkuFzvgW7t0b_848NkDGZC4cPuHCMmJBxSvJNIjTCOc1AfR8HiLD5H991l10g3YmUaHO4J2ZA82aMlDCMfc2Nfuk2iSgdWjNFhVG-Xi_YlQpShaQElVGJyMKqjwFqrYi1xSo7JPkFOXbEiWHzfHDmVhmBvZs-s_EaNBPxHVkaP8DoUBKX4_TbI16boanoi2oDApV1Js3yL3ElbighVAIBFgx-tkAsvFFjU3ApiS1rdUI-KNPOBrChRHYVOaqLp6GhZtiw01Vjg_m_jjaJ3pxI9UmEhJrH0-45V4yQcyvLMnS/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mainframestore.com
>>
>> As a guy who has spent more than 30 years at both IBM and FSI building 
>> hybrid mainframes for customers that I could both lift and throw out of a 
>> window if I had a reason, I can say that there are certainly two t-shirt 
>> designs on that site that were ill conceived.  No thanks.
>>
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Re: Mainframe t-shirt store

2021-05-14 Thread Tom Brennan 
Friday Story: Throwing things out the window reminds me of when I worked 
on the 3rd floor of the Edison Building in Long Beach, CA (visible in 
one of the scenes in "It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World"), and someone ran up 
to me telling me I better go move my car.  It was parked outside near an 
old apartment building where a woman was throwing heavy things (TV, 
furniture, etc.) out the 2nd story window while yelling loudly at 
someone.  My car was just below the window and somehow managed to avoid 
being hit.


On 5/14/2021 1:11 PM, Tom Brennan wrote:
Got it, thanks.  At first I was thinking zBX too, but that wasn't 
available 30 years ago.  Then thought maybe AS/400, which people (not 
me) sometimes call Mainframes.


Now I'm trying to remember if I ever threw one of my old x86 boxes out 
the window.  Probably out the door, but not a window.


On 5/14/2021 12:57 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
Had I seen the term hybrid mainframe out of context then I would have 
taken it as ZBX, but I assume that Greg meant a small system 
compatible with a mainframe, e.g., P/390, PDT.


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Maybe just for me, but what's a Hybrid Mainframe?

On 5/14/2021 9:58 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
That depends on what you mean by "mainframe". By the classic 
definition, those aren't mainframes.



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On Thu, 13 May 2021 17:58:55 +, PINION, RICHARD W. 
 wrote:



If you haven't seen this, then check it out.

http://secure-web.cisco.com/127-m0Rgk2KvVVd1YOv2m0zSRN9stAg9WKS6Q9-z8f757Gxr6TV-q8N2GCpy_BZICAVMAZTFiNxjQ2PP4fajkbfT56jLCbF4lhR53Zb-CazxD2YmghpWZIxRmzoAg_KOEiWoaU9hx1mHede5G0mQNJkuFzvgW7t0b_848NkDGZC4cPuHCMmJBxSvJNIjTCOc1AfR8HiLD5H991l10g3YmUaHO4J2ZA82aMlDCMfc2Nfuk2iSgdWjNFhVG-Xi_YlQpShaQElVGJyMKqjwFqrYi1xSo7JPkFOXbEiWHzfHDmVhmBvZs-s_EaNBPxHVkaP8DoUBKX4_TbI16boanoi2oDApV1Js3yL3ElbighVAIBFgx-tkAsvFFjU3ApiS1rdUI-KNPOBrChRHYVOaqLp6GhZtiw01Vjg_m_jjaJ3pxI9UmEhJrH0-45V4yQcyvLMnS/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mainframestore.com 



As a guy who has spent more than 30 years at both IBM and FSI 
building hybrid mainframes for customers that I could both lift and 
throw out of a window if I had a reason, I can say that there are 
certainly two t-shirt designs on that site that were ill conceived.  
No thanks.


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Re: Mainframe t-shirt store

2021-05-14 Thread Tom Brennan 
Got it, thanks.  At first I was thinking zBX too, but that wasn't 
available 30 years ago.  Then thought maybe AS/400, which people (not 
me) sometimes call Mainframes.


Now I'm trying to remember if I ever threw one of my old x86 boxes out 
the window.  Probably out the door, but not a window.


On 5/14/2021 12:57 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote:

Had I seen the term hybrid mainframe out of context then I would have taken it 
as ZBX, but I assume that Greg meant a small system compatible with a 
mainframe, e.g., P/390, PDT.

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Maybe just for me, but what's a Hybrid Mainframe?

On 5/14/2021 9:58 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:

That depends on what you mean by "mainframe". By the classic definition, those 
aren't mainframes.


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On Thu, 13 May 2021 17:58:55 +, PINION, RICHARD W. 
 wrote:


If you haven't seen this, then check it out.

http://secure-web.cisco.com/127-m0Rgk2KvVVd1YOv2m0zSRN9stAg9WKS6Q9-z8f757Gxr6TV-q8N2GCpy_BZICAVMAZTFiNxjQ2PP4fajkbfT56jLCbF4lhR53Zb-CazxD2YmghpWZIxRmzoAg_KOEiWoaU9hx1mHede5G0mQNJkuFzvgW7t0b_848NkDGZC4cPuHCMmJBxSvJNIjTCOc1AfR8HiLD5H991l10g3YmUaHO4J2ZA82aMlDCMfc2Nfuk2iSgdWjNFhVG-Xi_YlQpShaQElVGJyMKqjwFqrYi1xSo7JPkFOXbEiWHzfHDmVhmBvZs-s_EaNBPxHVkaP8DoUBKX4_TbI16boanoi2oDApV1Js3yL3ElbighVAIBFgx-tkAsvFFjU3ApiS1rdUI-KNPOBrChRHYVOaqLp6GhZtiw01Vjg_m_jjaJ3pxI9UmEhJrH0-45V4yQcyvLMnS/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mainframestore.com


As a guy who has spent more than 30 years at both IBM and FSI building hybrid 
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site that were ill conceived.  No thanks.

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Re: Mainframe t-shirt store

2021-05-14 Thread Seymour J Metz 
Had I seen the term hybrid mainframe out of context then I would have taken it 
as ZBX, but I assume that Greg meant a small system compatible with a 
mainframe, e.g., P/390, PDT.

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Maybe just for me, but what's a Hybrid Mainframe?

On 5/14/2021 9:58 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
> That depends on what you mean by "mainframe". By the classic definition, 
> those aren't mainframes.
>
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>
> On Thu, 13 May 2021 17:58:55 +, PINION, RICHARD W. 
>  wrote:
>
>> If you haven't seen this, then check it out.
>>
>> http://secure-web.cisco.com/127-m0Rgk2KvVVd1YOv2m0zSRN9stAg9WKS6Q9-z8f757Gxr6TV-q8N2GCpy_BZICAVMAZTFiNxjQ2PP4fajkbfT56jLCbF4lhR53Zb-CazxD2YmghpWZIxRmzoAg_KOEiWoaU9hx1mHede5G0mQNJkuFzvgW7t0b_848NkDGZC4cPuHCMmJBxSvJNIjTCOc1AfR8HiLD5H991l10g3YmUaHO4J2ZA82aMlDCMfc2Nfuk2iSgdWjNFhVG-Xi_YlQpShaQElVGJyMKqjwFqrYi1xSo7JPkFOXbEiWHzfHDmVhmBvZs-s_EaNBPxHVkaP8DoUBKX4_TbI16boanoi2oDApV1Js3yL3ElbighVAIBFgx-tkAsvFFjU3ApiS1rdUI-KNPOBrChRHYVOaqLp6GhZtiw01Vjg_m_jjaJ3pxI9UmEhJrH0-45V4yQcyvLMnS/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mainframestore.com
>
> As a guy who has spent more than 30 years at both IBM and FSI building hybrid 
> mainframes for customers that I could both lift and throw out of a window if 
> I had a reason, I can say that there are certainly two t-shirt designs on 
> that site that were ill conceived.  No thanks.
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Re: Mainframe t-shirt store

2021-05-14 Thread Tom Brennan 

Maybe just for me, but what's a Hybrid Mainframe?

On 5/14/2021 9:58 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:

That depends on what you mean by "mainframe". By the classic definition, those 
aren't mainframes.


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On Thu, 13 May 2021 17:58:55 +, PINION, RICHARD W. 
 wrote:


If you haven't seen this, then check it out.

http://secure-web.cisco.com/127-m0Rgk2KvVVd1YOv2m0zSRN9stAg9WKS6Q9-z8f757Gxr6TV-q8N2GCpy_BZICAVMAZTFiNxjQ2PP4fajkbfT56jLCbF4lhR53Zb-CazxD2YmghpWZIxRmzoAg_KOEiWoaU9hx1mHede5G0mQNJkuFzvgW7t0b_848NkDGZC4cPuHCMmJBxSvJNIjTCOc1AfR8HiLD5H991l10g3YmUaHO4J2ZA82aMlDCMfc2Nfuk2iSgdWjNFhVG-Xi_YlQpShaQElVGJyMKqjwFqrYi1xSo7JPkFOXbEiWHzfHDmVhmBvZs-s_EaNBPxHVkaP8DoUBKX4_TbI16boanoi2oDApV1Js3yL3ElbighVAIBFgx-tkAsvFFjU3ApiS1rdUI-KNPOBrChRHYVOaqLp6GhZtiw01Vjg_m_jjaJ3pxI9UmEhJrH0-45V4yQcyvLMnS/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mainframestore.com


As a guy who has spent more than 30 years at both IBM and FSI building hybrid 
mainframes for customers that I could both lift and throw out of a window if I 
had a reason, I can say that there are certainly two t-shirt designs on that 
site that were ill conceived.  No thanks.

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Re: Mainframe t-shirt store

2021-05-14 Thread Tom Brennan 
And dimensions!  Late last year I was at a site that brought a new z15 
into their datacenter.  Remotely, we all "thought" the doorway was tall 
enough but later I was told someone measured the doorway without taking 
into consideration the 1/2" metal top door jamb.  Luckily that part 
could be removed with a few screws and the mainframe made it through.  I 
wasn't there at the time, but later they showed me scratch marks in the 
paint at the top of the doorway, made even with the jamb removed.  Push!!


On 5/14/2021 10:47 AM, Gary Eheman wrote:

I get it.  Like, "Yo mainframe so fat it requires floor loading calculations  be 
performed before it can enter the room."  ;-)

On Fri, 14 May 2021 07:54:20 -0700, Charles Mills  wrote:


It's a joke.

Charles


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On Thu, 13 May 2021 17:58:55 +, PINION, RICHARD W. 
 wrote:


If you haven't seen this, then check it out.

www.mainframestore.com


As a guy who has spent more than 30 years at both IBM and FSI building hybrid 
mainframes for customers that I could both lift and throw out of a window if I 
had a reason, I can say that there are certainly two t-shirt designs on that 
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2021-05-14 Thread Gary Eheman 
I get it.  Like, "Yo mainframe so fat it requires floor loading calculations  
be performed before it can enter the room."  ;-)

On Fri, 14 May 2021 07:54:20 -0700, Charles Mills  wrote:

>It's a joke.
>
>Charles
>
>
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>On Thu, 13 May 2021 17:58:55 +, PINION, RICHARD W. 
> wrote:
>
>>If you haven't seen this, then check it out.
>>
>>www.mainframestore.com
>
>As a guy who has spent more than 30 years at both IBM and FSI building hybrid 
>mainframes for customers that I could both lift and throw out of a window if I 
>had a reason, I can say that there are certainly two t-shirt designs on that 
>site that were ill conceived.  No thanks.
>
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Re: Mainframe t-shirt store

2021-05-14 Thread Carmen Vitullo 
Back in my Boeing days mainframe systems were defined as any Large scale 
system processor, Cray, PDP/Vax CDC SCS systems, some of these boxes 
were much smaller that today's new z15 processors, some much larger :)


Carmen

On 5/14/2021 11:58 AM, Seymour J Metz wrote:

That depends on what you mean by "mainframe". By the classic definition, those 
aren't mainframes.


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On Thu, 13 May 2021 17:58:55 +, PINION, RICHARD W. 
 wrote:


If you haven't seen this, then check it out.

http://secure-web.cisco.com/127-m0Rgk2KvVVd1YOv2m0zSRN9stAg9WKS6Q9-z8f757Gxr6TV-q8N2GCpy_BZICAVMAZTFiNxjQ2PP4fajkbfT56jLCbF4lhR53Zb-CazxD2YmghpWZIxRmzoAg_KOEiWoaU9hx1mHede5G0mQNJkuFzvgW7t0b_848NkDGZC4cPuHCMmJBxSvJNIjTCOc1AfR8HiLD5H991l10g3YmUaHO4J2ZA82aMlDCMfc2Nfuk2iSgdWjNFhVG-Xi_YlQpShaQElVGJyMKqjwFqrYi1xSo7JPkFOXbEiWHzfHDmVhmBvZs-s_EaNBPxHVkaP8DoUBKX4_TbI16boanoi2oDApV1Js3yL3ElbighVAIBFgx-tkAsvFFjU3ApiS1rdUI-KNPOBrChRHYVOaqLp6GhZtiw01Vjg_m_jjaJ3pxI9UmEhJrH0-45V4yQcyvLMnS/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mainframestore.com

As a guy who has spent more than 30 years at both IBM and FSI building hybrid 
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site that were ill conceived.  No thanks.

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2021-05-14 Thread Seymour J Metz 
That depends on what you mean by "mainframe". By the classic definition, those 
aren't mainframes.


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On Thu, 13 May 2021 17:58:55 +, PINION, RICHARD W. 
 wrote:

>If you haven't seen this, then check it out.
>
>http://secure-web.cisco.com/127-m0Rgk2KvVVd1YOv2m0zSRN9stAg9WKS6Q9-z8f757Gxr6TV-q8N2GCpy_BZICAVMAZTFiNxjQ2PP4fajkbfT56jLCbF4lhR53Zb-CazxD2YmghpWZIxRmzoAg_KOEiWoaU9hx1mHede5G0mQNJkuFzvgW7t0b_848NkDGZC4cPuHCMmJBxSvJNIjTCOc1AfR8HiLD5H991l10g3YmUaHO4J2ZA82aMlDCMfc2Nfuk2iSgdWjNFhVG-Xi_YlQpShaQElVGJyMKqjwFqrYi1xSo7JPkFOXbEiWHzfHDmVhmBvZs-s_EaNBPxHVkaP8DoUBKX4_TbI16boanoi2oDApV1Js3yL3ElbighVAIBFgx-tkAsvFFjU3ApiS1rdUI-KNPOBrChRHYVOaqLp6GhZtiw01Vjg_m_jjaJ3pxI9UmEhJrH0-45V4yQcyvLMnS/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mainframestore.com

As a guy who has spent more than 30 years at both IBM and FSI building hybrid 
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Re: Mainframe t-shirt store

2021-05-14 Thread Charles Mills 
It's a joke.

Charles


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On Thu, 13 May 2021 17:58:55 +, PINION, RICHARD W. 
 wrote:

>If you haven't seen this, then check it out.
>
>www.mainframestore.com

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2021-05-14 Thread Gary Eheman 
On Thu, 13 May 2021 17:58:55 +, PINION, RICHARD W. 
 wrote:

>If you haven't seen this, then check it out.
>
>www.mainframestore.com

As a guy who has spent more than 30 years at both IBM and FSI building hybrid 
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Re: Mainframe t-shirt store

2021-05-13 Thread Seymour J Metz 
I must admit that I've only ordered mundane items like a water bottle and 
shirts. The thong must be one of their defaults; it's not something that I 
would have explicitly selected when I created the designs.

A bit of history; for decades I'd been hoping for somebody to create certain 
designs. I finally admitted that it wouldn't happen unless I became that 
somebody. So much for the Army teaching me "Never volunteer"!


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You too could own a shmuel thong!

Charles


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You might try a different browser.

It's not mainframe, but you might get a chuckle out of
<https://www.cafepress.com/dd/110398041>.

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2021-05-13 Thread Seymour J Metz 
"A man's reach should exceed his grasp, else what's a heaven for" -> "A man's P 
should exceed his V, else whats a semaphore" -> "A mans P should exceed his V, 
else what's a metaphor" ; see 
<http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3/humor/spoilers.pdf>, and note that the phores are 
in the meta position on the benzine ring. This and 
<https://www.cafepress.com/dd/110398741> are only two of many Benzene Ring 
jokes floating around.

 Willy was a chemist
 Willy is no more
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 Was H2SO4!


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I don't get it.  But it seems to have something to do with my special
purpose.

On 5/13/2021 12:29 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote:
> You might try a different browser.
>
> It's not mainframe, but you might get a chuckle out of 
> <https://www.cafepress.com/dd/110398041>.
>

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Re: Mainframe t-shirt store

2021-05-13 Thread Tom Brennan 
I don't get it.  But it seems to have something to do with my special 
purpose.


On 5/13/2021 12:29 PM, Seymour J Metz wrote:

You might try a different browser.

It's not mainframe, but you might get a chuckle out of 
.



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Re: Mainframe t-shirt store

2021-05-13 Thread Charles Mills 
They have enough SKUs to justify the use of Db2.

Charles


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 ...it gets to the point to checkout/pay, and it freezes.  Must not be running 
on a mainframe!!
Mitch
 

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Re: Mainframe t-shirt store

2021-05-13 Thread Charles Mills 
You too could own a shmuel thong!

Charles


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You might try a different browser.

It's not mainframe, but you might get a chuckle out of
<https://www.cafepress.com/dd/110398041>.

M-MAIN

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Re: Mainframe t-shirt store

2021-05-13 Thread Radoslaw Skorupka 

W dniu 13.05.2021 o 19:58, PINION, RICHARD W. pisze:

If you haven't seen this, then check it out.

www.mainframestore.com


To be honest, my team and me created our own mainframe t-shirts. All 
blue with white inscription:

MAINFRAME  DB2
MAINFRAME CICS/MQ
MAINFRAME ISPW
MAINFRAME RACF
MAINFRAME storage
MAINFRAME ControlM
and...
MAINFRAME HEGEMON - that's for me :-)))

Disclaimer: t-shirts were my idea, but my inscription was chosen by the 
group. Actually they sometimes called me that.
I'm pretty sure no one would use it: I ordered it in small company in 
Andrespol.


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Re: Mainframe t-shirt store

2021-05-13 Thread Seymour J Metz 
You might try a different browser.

It's not mainframe, but you might get a chuckle out of 
<https://www.cafepress.com/dd/110398041>.


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 ...it gets to the point to checkout/pay, and it freezes.  Must not be running 
on a mainframe!!
Mitch


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To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
Sent: Thu, May 13, 2021 12:58 pm
Subject: Mainframe t-shirt store

If you haven't seen this, then check it out.

http://secure-web.cisco.com/1EdQGMd3va9ZEG6Y5tW-mwgq81QZ_2cxV1p6Icx4vZbzbDdAplQO3dIx4l8w4-DaHidZfCnTeGaxiGY5AakF0B2sZK4yJHVpdQQtPtMEndzPSYahjYZjMGOVSnJy3V5jE1YfyYSW2W00t6GxpDfQYjwjJN5aopMLHpvwWewRgRep4eA6H_9m32s3obu3V9IYuxslfQLunPqcqXcjkntxPL4G2XiqfBoWoK5ZGprfgsXQ3wDdsP2DKe_zhVfRtLoxe0kVmRK6lK3NT4bnfoMa2PTOh0l1f1-FVwLB1HamnDtxqJAatwh_Wc_jj469_R4WhLhuqGJlVv1Wxdvj7bnOkgTbWWLeR7JqS7JBF8EW3Rbu1_DoRfNz13P01aBwJIEphCAACDKx7Cq42hrPLf0SPagtn00SnlfDstNaY-5dlmCqt0bdarmSnqLq1J58Is-kG/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mainframestore.com
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Re: Mainframe t-shirt store

2021-05-13 Thread Seymour J Metz 
Not quite: foo.bar and www.foo.bar might both be domains with web sites, in 
which case it matters that you use the correct domain in the URL. I refer to 
the way in which web browsers autocomplete as a "Molly Malone":

She died of a faever
From which none could save her
And that was the end of sweet Molly Malone

See spelling checkers and grammar checkers to see just how evil such an 
autocorrect, lacking feedback, can be.


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On Thu, 13 May 2021 18:24:44 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:

>A blast from the past! ITYM RFC 3986, unless they've also replaced that.
>
OK. I stand slightly corrected:
   The prefix "URL:" (with or without a trailing space) was formerly
   recommended as a way to help distinguish a URI from other bracketed
   designators, though it is not commonly used in practice and is no
   longer recommended.

Drat!  Now I must memorize that one.

The "www" is superfluous; it gets redirected.

On Thu, 13 May 2021 13:16:42 -0500, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
>On Thu, 13 May 2021 17:58:55 +, PINION, RICHARD W. wrote:
>
>>If you haven't seen this, then check it out.
>>
>>http://secure-web.cisco.com/1K4BMsnRLELKhpANA42OPQn8F0spoa2vF5lQkWzfdpmbMvHtKu6q2Dmed_xkhfqbCMQBS458Qb1eYddIA7Z2ygIXb9hsYky-2HCRfCxHFMCnpTZBuDvGmRUe3Gj-eMOKdoQFxIU25IOgdIaaQAN7FlGy1Y_l9LY3nbBBD-jUNouTLyHusOaXlzcF3rLFU3QKAtXz9oWRcrzK5gVtjt4wDugt_WyCY0FU2yaPzJQ2akjlm6hzYp6Ng1Rx-TMSR4d0nT-dLiIzjafuGh2KLYVUsQXpdNM4AKRpHRARKi4Z5pQMyHzFYv94wLn3in6kRVU4_cRY3X8M3-4MqgKO2hVs71St_jB2Mbc3vgZuuKjZp16XKKXQZqSojYrLfUR-oaEn7klA314VbbCNv0bg8v1jK2LeaoyUph5IapIWBGmTZ_eFExIbOElZ9duwTY6TCxv-9/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mainframestore.com
>>
>LISTSERV recognizes URLs better if RFC 1738 compliant:
>https://secure-web.cisco.com/1RR9AcI_PJsHR-vHUsYISoq685IhcFY1qHQBRxVOiiWLz8YbFSjRN1tFcRTybfsL34iNEanqOSeCHo9uUcbBrjtP7_YbCoyCKySwLPshA8m1yVnBO4PJFyAJ1M9mdZr1zWBs-V43Umxq1LflnXln9KhZPnumcG28YWI2eDtSjzRdFykD1fXkyb_jlScMunjQ0ppiul4U40ZYVedg-3-8ZjjL97G_wpyvSBWnzQA7QJ5qj7Mwza3BnlfGov06EeeizPEzNKhTT_Rk9px6WWtezeVlKki32HQTXQE9wzeRR_hbD-uTYYTHKXnYRmggmzjO3JotV5bso_f-qSxedX3mtYDl7JKdfUVVMuoNKzJ3pUolU2TtFz76ApSYRESqiXt21rhLJmLTi2kw8ZN3n8P-Fc_LTAVuqOIHHsnZSKm59JDwvZ_1gseINBJzjz0jLZHD6/https%3A%2F%2Fmainframestore.com%2F>

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Re: Mainframe t-shirt store

2021-05-13 Thread Paul Gilmartin 
On Thu, 13 May 2021 18:24:44 +, Seymour J Metz wrote:

>A blast from the past! ITYM RFC 3986, unless they've also replaced that.
>
OK. I stand slightly corrected:
   The prefix "URL:" (with or without a trailing space) was formerly
   recommended as a way to help distinguish a URI from other bracketed
   designators, though it is not commonly used in practice and is no
   longer recommended.

Drat!  Now I must memorize that one.

The "www" is superfluous; it gets redirected.

On Thu, 13 May 2021 13:16:42 -0500, Paul Gilmartin wrote:
>On Thu, 13 May 2021 17:58:55 +, PINION, RICHARD W. wrote:
>
>>If you haven't seen this, then check it out.
>>
>>www.mainframestore.com
>>
>LISTSERV recognizes URLs better if RFC 1738 compliant:
>https://mainframestore.com/>

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Re: Mainframe t-shirt store

2021-05-13 Thread Bill Johnson 
So did I.


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Thursday, May 13, 2021, 2:32 PM, PINION, RICHARD W. 
 wrote:

I just made a purchase.

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[External Email. Exercise caution when clicking links or opening attachments.]

 ...it gets to the point to checkout/pay, and it freezes.  Must not be running 
on a mainframe!!
Mitch


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Sent: Thu, May 13, 2021 12:58 pm
Subject: Mainframe t-shirt store

If you haven't seen this, then check it out.

https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.mainframestore.com__;!!HnnddUIWDII9UQ!A_iwkkEpm93I_wDKXxSKogKHBM36CcMKTlO6TUVGjjWn04tzqfjoGuXZhGbsBqs6QoA$
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2021-05-13 Thread PINION, RICHARD W. 
I just made a purchase.

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Mitch Mccluhan
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 ...it gets to the point to checkout/pay, and it freezes.  Must not be running 
on a mainframe!!
Mitch


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Sent: Thu, May 13, 2021 12:58 pm
Subject: Mainframe t-shirt store

If you haven't seen this, then check it out.

https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.mainframestore.com__;!!HnnddUIWDII9UQ!A_iwkkEpm93I_wDKXxSKogKHBM36CcMKTlO6TUVGjjWn04tzqfjoGuXZhGbsBqs6QoA$
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Re: Mainframe t-shirt store

2021-05-13 Thread Mitch Mccluhan 
 ...it gets to the point to checkout/pay, and it freezes.  Must not be running 
on a mainframe!!
Mitch
 
 
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If you haven't seen this, then check it out.

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Re: Mainframe t-shirt store

2021-05-13 Thread Seymour J Metz 
A blast from the past! ITYM RFC 3986, unless they've also replaced that.


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On Thu, 13 May 2021 17:58:55 +, PINION, RICHARD W. wrote:

>If you haven't seen this, then check it out.
>
>http://secure-web.cisco.com/1uH0ZSu--Yv3h-0skmrLGpYB0jdT0oN61UgdaR1MnPNZs3ZandjEgxt-k6ytLhA5vRhWOg5bHAIxmrL3Ef-M7nKaPrxgKyCyhEUK6bIYjiYjAMHT5TXSM06yUqVeI-DThhnP1FeXKE9H_-gAFMbXFP6hzds5RJ2B4y66675cIv7XLNOQGnub-aF2zPAfRJ2xTseRl_Ks2v-SNJDjvdHU_ULAO3d2OyJZtcn-AAzhFeG_Y4khl6LD2ETiO_84Tu1pD--3qxmDCMM6s7_8BdFzgfgXRJt-A6va7YLbzQ0-Ts96D7BGhGK0zRR-ENQz5zJQinVx_2u2BvSRn6r_ZdCo2gwcrE8Fu3EFa153gmMT1NeCzss_DVq97m57OgkxvnNk5w49FngVqEVVPjpeGXIB6Npxk6VysBLz7_OkTK0vh904R3WrJzPwrKpJiCC8e1V9R/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mainframestore.com
>
LISTSERV recognizes URLs better if RFC 1738 compliant:
https://secure-web.cisco.com/1wDZFLzFGO_GtFkCKJhPnVaodA79kKTnAtdVMEzYN2xVRe4xbjeupIFKKj4u6fv2ippTsT7pZ7SnYEV3oeYrOcBE3TgPEegQkBExGiOBzrPLW75Kll3S8xmx4zta-7iNBpVLnslduS3EXGwPuHVnj7O8Y6ANVjdYENbtUa5qmrY4_RBDZWYqJFAuxjHEOOcakEXCP424ZEluRaWNYIawGcmvSPJwyeWIJyl62C6Q4FdFcTWH3Mia6S4Ohv-CiWxnv6DGJUlhbvkXs0yMnFXQISVMjvn4by8jGhwruIoE8zuL-wUf8KX_HyuDLv5qDe7qpyKqJhMiz_6MXBYO02rDwLzV25u_hPTfmREMHTYi6wceHMK6GlADQJYIkjUFgTVrdE0Z-x-rocbp_793rEaaV4vfjp3jLkGYe1Z1vHWwXE7E5GpRmJt4xqMd6I8OQvKzv/https%3A%2F%2Fmainframestore.com%2F>

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Re: Mainframe t-shirt store

2021-05-13 Thread PINION, RICHARD W. 
Sorry about that, I guess my employer's email protection software mangled the 
URL.

three w's dot mainframestore dot com

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On Thu, 13 May 2021 17:58:55 +, PINION, RICHARD W. wrote:

>If you haven't seen this, then check it out.
>
>https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.mainframestore.com__;!!HnnddUIWD
>II9UQ!Eoxkd9zCNBBnIiboiQTCEPSkjs5CuOSv4rHJv6GVO8ieZoeiQND9EK25H_DMJ86rP
>vo$
>
LISTSERV recognizes URLs better if RFC 1738 compliant:
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Re: Mainframe t-shirt store

2021-05-13 Thread Paul Gilmartin 
On Thu, 13 May 2021 17:58:55 +, PINION, RICHARD W. wrote:

>If you haven't seen this, then check it out.
>
>www.mainframestore.com
>
LISTSERV recognizes URLs better if RFC 1738 compliant:
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