Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread)
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Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread)
My wife who is Yorkshire born and bred asked me recently "what does baht'at" mean? This is from the Yorkshire folk song, On Ilkley Moor , baht'at. Drum roll.. It means "without a hat" Google the words of the song and you may be even more befuddled. On Sun, May 23, 2021, 08:18 Wayne Bickerdike wrote: > Nowt is largely Yorkshire for "nothing" in some regions "nobbut" is used, > meaning "nothing but" ie "he's nobbut a lad" > > On Sat, May 22, 2021, 08:10 Tom Brennan > wrote: > >> ... busy looking up "nowt" :) >> >> Tom (USA) >> >> On 5/21/2021 2:17 PM, Rupert Reynolds wrote: >> > Being English by birth, I remember working in Holland, and meeting >> someone >> > with the nickname "Suzie Did It On The Roof" (I didn't ask what she did >> on >> > that roof :-) ). The short "oo" as in "woof" caught me by surprise. >> Every >> > day is a school day, etc. >> > >> > But the UK/US one that gets me every time is "router". Here in England, >> > that's two words in one. A network router rhymes with fruit, boot, moot >> and >> > toot. With a woodworker's router, the "ou" is like gout, nowt, clout and >> > spout. >> > >> > "Two nations divided by a common language?" I say no. But I borrow >> American >> > words and phrases. Everyone does--is it time to call it "American" and >> be >> > obviously proud of it?" >> > >> > Roops >> > >> > >> > On Fri., May 21, 2021, 21:16 Paul Gilmartin, < >> > 000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: >> > >> >> On Fri, 21 May 2021 14:38:26 -0400, Bob Bridges wrote: >> >> >> >>> Heh. When I was in high school we moved from Minnesota (where "root" >> >> rhymes with "foot") to Pennsylvania (where "root" rhymes with >> "boot"). The >> >> kid who sat behind me in Biology class was named Scott Root. He >> thought I >> >> was making fun of his name every time I said "root". I learned to >> adjust >> >> to my new environment. >> >>> >> >> I'm reminded of a venerable signature file: >> >> "Both Robert Root and Douglas Core (who keeps losing his Mail) have >> >> accounts on my system, and I expect Susie Mailer-Daemon to sign up >> >> any day now." >> >> >> >> -- gil >> >> >> >> -- >> >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> >> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> >> >> > >> > -- >> > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> > >> > >> >> -- >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, >> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN >> > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread)
Nowt is largely Yorkshire for "nothing" in some regions "nobbut" is used, meaning "nothing but" ie "he's nobbut a lad" On Sat, May 22, 2021, 08:10 Tom Brennan wrote: > ... busy looking up "nowt" :) > > Tom (USA) > > On 5/21/2021 2:17 PM, Rupert Reynolds wrote: > > Being English by birth, I remember working in Holland, and meeting > someone > > with the nickname "Suzie Did It On The Roof" (I didn't ask what she did > on > > that roof :-) ). The short "oo" as in "woof" caught me by surprise. Every > > day is a school day, etc. > > > > But the UK/US one that gets me every time is "router". Here in England, > > that's two words in one. A network router rhymes with fruit, boot, moot > and > > toot. With a woodworker's router, the "ou" is like gout, nowt, clout and > > spout. > > > > "Two nations divided by a common language?" I say no. But I borrow > American > > words and phrases. Everyone does--is it time to call it "American" and be > > obviously proud of it?" > > > > Roops > > > > > > On Fri., May 21, 2021, 21:16 Paul Gilmartin, < > > 000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > > > >> On Fri, 21 May 2021 14:38:26 -0400, Bob Bridges wrote: > >> > >>> Heh. When I was in high school we moved from Minnesota (where "root" > >> rhymes with "foot") to Pennsylvania (where "root" rhymes with "boot"). > The > >> kid who sat behind me in Biology class was named Scott Root. He > thought I > >> was making fun of his name every time I said "root". I learned to > adjust > >> to my new environment. > >>> > >> I'm reminded of a venerable signature file: > >> "Both Robert Root and Douglas Core (who keeps losing his Mail) have > >> accounts on my system, and I expect Susie Mailer-Daemon to sign up > >> any day now." > >> > >> -- gil > >> > >> -- > >> For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > >> send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > >> > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread)
As one who ~likes~ languages and accents, I'm inclined to mourn what I'm told is the gradual but inexorable disappearance of (for example) broad Yorkshire. It's too soon; I haven't learned all the accents there are, yet! But in practice I don't get a vote. The Midwestern-American accent that I grew up with is overpowering the English-speaking world, apparently, through the influence of television. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* I am a bomb technician. If you see me running, try and keep up! -a T-shirt on a bomb-squad member in Rio Rancho, NM */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Rupert Reynolds Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 17:18 Being English by birth, I remember working in Holland, and meeting someone with the nickname "Suzie Did It On The Roof" (I didn't ask what she did on that roof :-) ). The short "oo" as in "woof" caught me by surprise. Every day is a school day, etc. But the UK/US one that gets me every time is "router". Here in England, that's two words in one. A network router rhymes with fruit, boot, moot and toot. With a woodworker's router, the "ou" is like gout, nowt, clout and spout. "Two nations divided by a common language?" I say no. But I borrow American words and phrases. Everyone does--is it time to call it "American" and be obviously proud of it?" --- On Fri., May 21, 2021, 21:16 Paul Gilmartin, < 000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > I'm reminded of a venerable signature file: > "Both Robert Root and Douglas Core (who keeps losing his Mail) have > accounts on my system, and I expect Susie Mailer-Daemon to sign up any > day now." > --- On Fri, 21 May 2021 14:38:26 -0400, Bob Bridges wrote: > >Heh. When I was in high school we moved from Minnesota (where "root" > rhymes with "foot") to Pennsylvania (where "root" rhymes with "boot"). > The kid who sat behind me in Biology class was named Scott Root. He > thought I was making fun of his name every time I said "root". I > learned to adjust to my new environment. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread)
... busy looking up "nowt" :) Tom (USA) On 5/21/2021 2:17 PM, Rupert Reynolds wrote: Being English by birth, I remember working in Holland, and meeting someone with the nickname "Suzie Did It On The Roof" (I didn't ask what she did on that roof :-) ). The short "oo" as in "woof" caught me by surprise. Every day is a school day, etc. But the UK/US one that gets me every time is "router". Here in England, that's two words in one. A network router rhymes with fruit, boot, moot and toot. With a woodworker's router, the "ou" is like gout, nowt, clout and spout. "Two nations divided by a common language?" I say no. But I borrow American words and phrases. Everyone does--is it time to call it "American" and be obviously proud of it?" Roops On Fri., May 21, 2021, 21:16 Paul Gilmartin, < 000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: On Fri, 21 May 2021 14:38:26 -0400, Bob Bridges wrote: Heh. When I was in high school we moved from Minnesota (where "root" rhymes with "foot") to Pennsylvania (where "root" rhymes with "boot"). The kid who sat behind me in Biology class was named Scott Root. He thought I was making fun of his name every time I said "root". I learned to adjust to my new environment. I'm reminded of a venerable signature file: "Both Robert Root and Douglas Core (who keeps losing his Mail) have accounts on my system, and I expect Susie Mailer-Daemon to sign up any day now." -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread)
Being English by birth, I remember working in Holland, and meeting someone with the nickname "Suzie Did It On The Roof" (I didn't ask what she did on that roof :-) ). The short "oo" as in "woof" caught me by surprise. Every day is a school day, etc. But the UK/US one that gets me every time is "router". Here in England, that's two words in one. A network router rhymes with fruit, boot, moot and toot. With a woodworker's router, the "ou" is like gout, nowt, clout and spout. "Two nations divided by a common language?" I say no. But I borrow American words and phrases. Everyone does--is it time to call it "American" and be obviously proud of it?" Roops On Fri., May 21, 2021, 21:16 Paul Gilmartin, < 000433f07816-dmarc-requ...@listserv.ua.edu> wrote: > On Fri, 21 May 2021 14:38:26 -0400, Bob Bridges wrote: > > >Heh. When I was in high school we moved from Minnesota (where "root" > rhymes with "foot") to Pennsylvania (where "root" rhymes with "boot"). The > kid who sat behind me in Biology class was named Scott Root. He thought I > was making fun of his name every time I said "root". I learned to adjust > to my new environment. > > > I'm reminded of a venerable signature file: > "Both Robert Root and Douglas Core (who keeps losing his Mail) have > accounts on my system, and I expect Susie Mailer-Daemon to sign up > any day now." > > -- gil > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread)
On Fri, 21 May 2021 14:38:26 -0400, Bob Bridges wrote: >Heh. When I was in high school we moved from Minnesota (where "root" rhymes >with "foot") to Pennsylvania (where "root" rhymes with "boot"). The kid who >sat behind me in Biology class was named Scott Root. He thought I was making >fun of his name every time I said "root". I learned to adjust to my new >environment. > I'm reminded of a venerable signature file: "Both Robert Root and Douglas Core (who keeps losing his Mail) have accounts on my system, and I expect Susie Mailer-Daemon to sign up any day now." -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread)
"ROUTE" has troubled/troubling us (people from India) too for a long time. Our English is influenced by both UK & US and we always had this trouble, rather our list of mixed pronunciation is quite long. On top of that we have our own languages too with very specific pronunciation of some sounds. In my local team, I have representation of multiple states of India, speaking five different languages. I do not understand 4 of them. You can imagine, how lucky I am that I get to hear same words with 4 different tone. By the way, India has 22 officially recognized languages (English is not part of these 22) and 1500+ dialects. Thanks, Prashant IBM Mainframe Discussion List wrote on 21-05-2021 23:24:41: > From: Jesse 1 Robinson > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Date: 21-05-2021 23:25 > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread) > Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List > > As if this topic were not tangled enough, it's complicated by U.S. > dialect differences. > > ROOT In some locales, this word rhymes with 'boot', in others it > rhymes with 'foot'. Many people can use both pronunciations interchangeably. > > ROUT This word in all dialects rhymes with 'scout'. Little effect on IT. > > ROUTE This word is most problematic, mainly because it's borrowed > from French. I'm among those who favor pronouncing borrowed words > with a nod to the original. However, saying it like 'boot' in our > biz is awkward because most people say it like 'scout'. It's a > little weird sitting in a group where everyone else is saying it a > differently from you. So I often slip into the 'scout' faction even > though it stings my tongue. As for 'Route 66', I think the influence > of the TV theme song puts everyone in the 'boot' camp. > > . > . > J.O.Skip Robinson > Southern California Edison Company > Electric Dragon Team Paddler > SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager > 323-715-0595 Mobile > 626-543-6132 Office ⇐=== NEW > robin...@sce.com > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw > Sent: Sunday, May 9, 2021 5:54 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: (External):Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread) > > *** EXTERNAL EMAIL - Use caution when opening links or attachments *** > > Coming from England, we always pronounce "route" with a long sound, > like "root". I understand that in the USA it is usually pronounced > the same as "rout". No problem. > > But in the song "Route 66" it is pronounced the same way we do in > England. Why is that? > > Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw > INVALID URI REMOVED > u=https-3A__rsclweb.com=DwIGaQ=jf_iaSHvJObTbx- > siA1ZOg=Ur1E6aBg8J5Ly5fwxcy465rbdOVQqELjmUekieXnIBY=_bvhOnPvpeB4KBISy8BIsA3yoq5SI3Y47mlWi0hdiN4=GnZ2SpRkBLDUCg3Y0IHHpazQo8rtthNKOtBDxKDxh70= > ‘Dance like no one is watching. Encrypt like everyone is.’ > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of Charles Mills > Sent: 09 May 2021 18:40 > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread) > > Can I get my CICS on Route 66? > > Charles > > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > ] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin > Sent: Sunday, May 9, 2021 6:43 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread) > > On Sun, 9 May 2021 12:14:25 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: > > >What if you spell it ÇICS? > > > Could that be added as a member alias? > > INVALID URI REMOVED > u=https-3A__miro.medium.com_max_1400_1-2AQvnk1NFFUeiNXiC7AF1owg.png=DwIGaQ=jf_iaSHvJObTbx- > siA1ZOg=Ur1E6aBg8J5Ly5fwxcy465rbdOVQqELjmUekieXnIBY=_bvhOnPvpeB4KBISy8BIsA3yoq5SI3Y47mlWi0hdiN4=VnlheqFm3veHKnMmENPbR4x- > rswLpuCT1Su0UuU86sk= > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > > This email has been scanned by BullGuard antivirus protection. > For more info visit www.bullguard.com > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread)
Heh. When I was in high school we moved from Minnesota (where "root" rhymes with "foot") to Pennsylvania (where "root" rhymes with "boot"). The kid who sat behind me in Biology class was named Scott Root. He thought I was making fun of his name every time I said "root". I learned to adjust to my new environment. Same vowel change in "roof" and "hoof". --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* I don't want to achieve immortality through my work, I want to achieve it through not dying. -Woody Allen */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Jesse 1 Robinson Sent: Friday, May 21, 2021 13:55 As if this topic were not tangled enough, it's complicated by U.S. dialect differences. ROOT In some locales, this word rhymes with 'boot', in others it rhymes with 'foot'. Many people can use both pronunciations interchangeably. ROUT This word in all dialects rhymes with 'scout'. Little effect on IT. ROUTE This word is most problematic, mainly because it's borrowed from French. I'm among those who favor pronouncing borrowed words with a nod to the original. However, saying it like 'boot' in our biz is awkward because most people say it like 'scout'. It's a little weird sitting in a group where everyone else is saying it a differently from you. So I often slip into the 'scout' faction even though it stings my tongue. As for 'Route 66', I think the influence of the TV theme song puts everyone in the 'boot' camp. -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw Sent: Sunday, May 9, 2021 5:54 PM Coming from England, we always pronounce "route" with a long sound, like "root". I understand that in the USA it is usually pronounced the same as "rout". No problem. But in the song "Route 66" it is pronounced the same way we do in England. Why is that? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: 09 May 2021 18:40 Can I get my CICS on Route 66? -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Sunday, May 9, 2021 6:43 AM Could that be added as a member alias? https://miro.medium.com/max/1400/1*Qvnk1NFFUeiNXiC7AF1owg.png --- On Sun, 9 May 2021 12:14:25 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >What if you spell it ÇICS? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread)
As if this topic were not tangled enough, it's complicated by U.S. dialect differences. ROOT In some locales, this word rhymes with 'boot', in others it rhymes with 'foot'. Many people can use both pronunciations interchangeably. ROUT This word in all dialects rhymes with 'scout'. Little effect on IT. ROUTE This word is most problematic, mainly because it's borrowed from French. I'm among those who favor pronouncing borrowed words with a nod to the original. However, saying it like 'boot' in our biz is awkward because most people say it like 'scout'. It's a little weird sitting in a group where everyone else is saying it a differently from you. So I often slip into the 'scout' faction even though it stings my tongue. As for 'Route 66', I think the influence of the TV theme song puts everyone in the 'boot' camp. . . J.O.Skip Robinson Southern California Edison Company Electric Dragon Team Paddler SHARE MVS Program Co-Manager 323-715-0595 Mobile 626-543-6132 Office ⇐=== NEW robin...@sce.com -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw Sent: Sunday, May 9, 2021 5:54 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: (External):Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread) *** EXTERNAL EMAIL - Use caution when opening links or attachments *** Coming from England, we always pronounce "route" with a long sound, like "root". I understand that in the USA it is usually pronounced the same as "rout". No problem. But in the song "Route 66" it is pronounced the same way we do in England. Why is that? Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw https://rsclweb.com ‘Dance like no one is watching. Encrypt like everyone is.’ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: 09 May 2021 18:40 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread) Can I get my CICS on Route 66? Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Sunday, May 9, 2021 6:43 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread) On Sun, 9 May 2021 12:14:25 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >What if you spell it ÇICS? > Could that be added as a member alias? https://miro.medium.com/max/1400/1*Qvnk1NFFUeiNXiC7AF1owg.png -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN This email has been scanned by BullGuard antivirus protection. For more info visit www.bullguard.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread)
We used the term in the 1960's in the UK. The Aussies probably pinched it after the invasion of Barry Humphries and Bazza McKenzie. On Wed, May 12, 2021 at 7:25 AM Charles Mills wrote: > Someone corrected me that it is Australian, not British, usage. > > > https://sites.google.com/site/oshearobertp/publications/words-americans-should-avoid-saying-to-australasians > > Charles > > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Bob Bridges > Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2021 2:02 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread) > > Really? I haven't heard that one. Can I find the British definition of > "root" in a dictionary somewhere (so as to spare those present the > embarrassment of explaining)? > > --- > Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 > > /* Religion is the last stronghold of freedom. When the state forces the > church to surrender, its victory will be complete. Of course it will insist > that it respects "the separation of church and state" -- as defined by the > stateIf the state can define golf and Scouting, why should it leave > defining Catholicism and Judaism to priests and rabbis? This isn't a > prophecy. It's a simple extrapolation from experience, and we'll have no > right to be surprised when it comes to pass. -Joseph Sobran, 2001-07-05 */ > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf > Of Charles Mills > Sent: Sunday, May 9, 2021 23:18 > > It is indeed odd. We pronounce it both ways. Indeed, we say "root" 66. But > "I took a different 'rout' across town." > > Further, here we root for our favorite sports teams. My understanding is > that in England, rooting is not something one does in polite company. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- Wayne V. Bickerdike -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread)
And that is why, if a hacker installs a root kit on your server, you are really screwed. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2021 2:21 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread) On Tue, 11 May 2021 17:01:55 -0400, Bob Bridges wrote: >Really? I haven't heard that one. Can I find the British definition of >"root" in a dictionary somewhere (so as to spare those present the >embarrassment of explaining)? > https://www.google.com/search?q=root+strine -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread)
Someone corrected me that it is Australian, not British, usage. https://sites.google.com/site/oshearobertp/publications/words-americans-should-avoid-saying-to-australasians Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Bob Bridges Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2021 2:02 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread) Really? I haven't heard that one. Can I find the British definition of "root" in a dictionary somewhere (so as to spare those present the embarrassment of explaining)? --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* Religion is the last stronghold of freedom. When the state forces the church to surrender, its victory will be complete. Of course it will insist that it respects "the separation of church and state" -- as defined by the stateIf the state can define golf and Scouting, why should it leave defining Catholicism and Judaism to priests and rabbis? This isn't a prophecy. It's a simple extrapolation from experience, and we'll have no right to be surprised when it comes to pass. -Joseph Sobran, 2001-07-05 */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Sunday, May 9, 2021 23:18 It is indeed odd. We pronounce it both ways. Indeed, we say "root" 66. But "I took a different 'rout' across town." Further, here we root for our favorite sports teams. My understanding is that in England, rooting is not something one does in polite company. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread)
On Tue, 11 May 2021 17:01:55 -0400, Bob Bridges wrote: >Really? I haven't heard that one. Can I find the British definition of >"root" in a dictionary somewhere (so as to spare those present the >embarrassment of explaining)? > https://www.google.com/search?q=root+strine -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread)
Really? I haven't heard that one. Can I find the British definition of "root" in a dictionary somewhere (so as to spare those present the embarrassment of explaining)? --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* Religion is the last stronghold of freedom. When the state forces the church to surrender, its victory will be complete. Of course it will insist that it respects "the separation of church and state" -- as defined by the stateIf the state can define golf and Scouting, why should it leave defining Catholicism and Judaism to priests and rabbis? This isn't a prophecy. It's a simple extrapolation from experience, and we'll have no right to be surprised when it comes to pass. -Joseph Sobran, 2001-07-05 */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Sunday, May 9, 2021 23:18 It is indeed odd. We pronounce it both ways. Indeed, we say "root" 66. But "I took a different 'rout' across town." Further, here we root for our favorite sports teams. My understanding is that in England, rooting is not something one does in polite company. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Actually I hear "rooot" and "rout" pretty much interchangeably, depending on where you are in the US. I may be wrong, but I think it was usually "rooot" in the Midwest, "rout" east of the Appalachians. I may be remembering wrong, though. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* A University without students is like an ointment without a fly. -Ed Nather, professor of astronomy at UT-Austin */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw Sent: Sunday, May 9, 2021 20:54 Coming from England, we always pronounce "route" with a long sound, like "root". I understand that in the USA it is usually pronounced the same as "rout". No problem. But in the song "Route 66" it is pronounced the same way we do in England. Why is that? -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Ah, Bloomington-Normal. I did some months more than a decade ago, and I still remember it fondly. The work I did at State Farm didn't please me so much, but as a place to live, Bloomington suited me right to the ground: Just the right size, in wide flat country where I can see the sky for miles. Three miles in any direction you're back in cornfields; big enough to supply all the amenities I wanted, not so big that I couldn't hear robins in the morning. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* Sure, I make my password my pet's name. My macaw's name is W47qY!3k, but I change it every 90 days. */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Mike Schwab Sent: Sunday, May 9, 2021 15:39 State Farm and Country Companies in Bloomington Normal IL are on Route 66 (4 lane bypass Veterans Parkway). Illinois State University has their computer center a few blocks off the downtown route. Horace Mann does and Franklin Life used to in Springfield IL on old Route 66 (5th&6th / 9th). Central Management Services, Secretary of State, formerly State Police for State of Illinois a couple of blocks off the 2nd street route. And that would cover the segment between Joliet and Edwardsville in Illinois. And not certain there weren't other mainframes. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Never heard "immz". I have heard "zoss". Regarding "ra-keff" (but further afield), when I moved from the Midwest to Pennsylvania I noticed that many people pronounced my birth state "wess-KAHN-sin". We always say "wih-SKAHN-sin". Subtle difference in the 'k' sound, but it was plain enough to my ear. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* The way to keep a secret is to keep it. -Bob Bridges' advice to young children */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of David Spiegel Sent: Saturday, May 8, 2021 23:42 This reminds me of a story. Back in 2000, I was doing an ACF2 to RACF conversion and one of the customer's people kept saying Ra-Keff (instead of Rack-Eff.) This REALLY got on my nerves. As an aside, a former colleague (with a British accent) always says ZOSS (instead of Zed-Oh-Ess or Zee-Oh-Ess). (He's not really British.) Have you ever heard ANYONE say IMZ (instead of Eye-Emm-Ess)? --- On 2021-05-08 17:02, Bob Bridges wrote: > I grew up with "doss" and "see-eye-see-ess", but even here in the East I've > heard "kicks" often enough that I can adjust now if that's what the current > crowd uses. Actually I think sysprogs say "kicks" more than application > programmers, for some reason. > > I've heard "sicks" just once, I believe, but I don't remember where the > speaker was from. > > "Rack-eff", of course, so I guess I could excuse either "pee-rack-eff" or > "prack-eff". Dunno what it is, though. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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You bet. I worked with IBM Hursley (where CICS is developed) in the late 80's and early 90's, and CICS was and always has been pronounced "Kicks" here in the UK. On 10/05/2021 16:10, Joel C. Ewing wrote: > IBM classes in US in early 1980's seemed to consistently pronounce CICS > as C-I-C-S (see-eye-see-ess), so that's the custom we adopted and taught > at our installation when we started using the product. > > One of our SysProgs got heavily involved with CICS development in > Hursley Park, U.K. in 1990's because of some design issues we were > having with CICS, and IBM ended up paying his way to visit IBM Hursley > for a week. At IBM Hursley they consistently called it "Kicks", so our > CICS support SysProgs also got used to that convention as well. Our > applications people continued to call it C-I-C-S. > > Not sure which source to take as authoritative, but "Kicks" takes less > effort to say -- which makes it a logical choice if you have to > reference the product very frequently in conversation. > > JC Ewing > > On 5/9/21 1:57 AM, Meir Zohar wrote: >> CICS pronounced Chicks/Thicks in Italy/Spain ... >> Took a moment to figure out what the speaker was talking about ... >> >> MZ >> >> -Original Message- >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of >> David Spiegel >> Sent: Sunday, May 9, 2021 6:42 AM >> To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU >> Subject: Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread) >> >> Hi Bob, >> This reminds me of a story. >> Back in 2000, I was doing an ACF2 to RACF conversion and one of the >> customer's people kept saying Ra-Keff (instead of Rack-Eff.) This REALLY got >> on my nerves. >> >> As an aside, a former colleague (with a British accent) always says ZOSS >> (instead of Zed-Oh-Ess or Zee-Oh-Ess). >> (He's not really British.) >> >> Have you ever heard ANYONE say IMZ (instead of Eye-Emm-Ess)? >> >> Regards, >> David >> >> On 2021-05-08 17:02, Bob Bridges wrote: >>> I grew up with "doss" and "see-eye-see-ess", but even here in the East I've >>> heard "kicks" often enough that I can adjust now if that's what the current >>> crowd uses. Actually I think sysprogs say "kicks" more than application >>> programmers, for some reason. >>> >>> I've heard "sicks" just once, I believe, but I don't remember where the >>> speaker was from. >>> >>> "Rack-eff", of course, so I guess I could excuse either "pee-rack-eff" or >>> "prack-eff". Dunno what it is, though. >>> >>> --- >>> Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 >>> >>> /* One of the quickest ways I've found to look foolish is to state >>> positively what God will not do. -Bob Bridges */ >>> >>> -Original Message- >>> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On >>> Behalf Of David Spiegel >>> Sent: Friday, May 7, 2021 17:10 >>> >>> (I'm also from Southern Ontario -- I say doss and cics.) >>> > ... > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread)
In American idiom "fanny" is completely acceptable slang for one's bottom. In Australian slang it is an offensive term for the female private anatomy. I was in a class -- I think it was at ASG -- when the instructor said "what do you say? Should we take a break now?" and an American woman in the class said "yeah, my fanny's getting tired" and the Australians in the room turned and looked at her in horror. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Seymour J Metz Sent: Monday, May 10, 2021 2:26 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread) Idioms are full of booby traps for those not native to the language. In Israel the Hebrew word שֵׁרוּת meaning service refers to a shared taxi; the plural שֵׁרוּתִים refers to bathrooms. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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Idioms are full of booby traps for those not native to the language. In Israel the Hebrew word שֵׁרוּת meaning service refers to a shared taxi; the plural שֵׁרוּתִים refers to bathrooms. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Mike Cairns [m...@mikecairns.com] Sent: Monday, May 10, 2021 4:00 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread) As an Australian I can vouch for the veracity of the noted definition of the word 'root', although I would also suggest that this usage was almost always confined to a younger generation and seems to be someone one grows out of. :-) Then there is the standard Aussie joke we tell about Kiwi's (another slang word for people from New Zealand, and also a small flightless bird that ferrets around in the undergrowth for food): "I'd like to be a Kiwi, 'cos he eats roots and leaves". Cheers - Mike -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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The Wombat does it better than the Kiwi. "Eats roots shoots and leaves" On Tue, May 11, 2021, 06:04 Radoslaw Skorupka wrote: > Kiwi - there is polish joke about it: Kiwi kiwi kiwi. Yes, it makes > some sense, yes, it is funny. > No, I cannot explain it without long lecture about declension, etc. > BTW: there is another version of same joke: Zombie zombie zombie. > > -- > Radoslaw Skorupka > (looking for new job) > Lodz, Poland > > > > > W dniu 10.05.2021 o 22:00, Mike Cairns pisze: > > As an Australian I can vouch for the veracity of the noted definition of > the word 'root', although I would also suggest that this usage was almost > always confined to a younger generation and seems to be someone one grows > out of. :-) > > > > Then there is the standard Aussie joke we tell about Kiwi's (another > slang word for people from New Zealand, and also a small flightless bird > that ferrets around in the undergrowth for food): > > > > "I'd like to be a Kiwi, 'cos he eats roots and leaves". > > > > Cheers - Mike > > > > -- > > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread)
Kiwi - there is polish joke about it: Kiwi kiwi kiwi. Yes, it makes some sense, yes, it is funny. No, I cannot explain it without long lecture about declension, etc. BTW: there is another version of same joke: Zombie zombie zombie. -- Radoslaw Skorupka (looking for new job) Lodz, Poland W dniu 10.05.2021 o 22:00, Mike Cairns pisze: As an Australian I can vouch for the veracity of the noted definition of the word 'root', although I would also suggest that this usage was almost always confined to a younger generation and seems to be someone one grows out of. :-) Then there is the standard Aussie joke we tell about Kiwi's (another slang word for people from New Zealand, and also a small flightless bird that ferrets around in the undergrowth for food): "I'd like to be a Kiwi, 'cos he eats roots and leaves". Cheers - Mike -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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As an Australian I can vouch for the veracity of the noted definition of the word 'root', although I would also suggest that this usage was almost always confined to a younger generation and seems to be someone one grows out of. :-) Then there is the standard Aussie joke we tell about Kiwi's (another slang word for people from New Zealand, and also a small flightless bird that ferrets around in the undergrowth for food): "I'd like to be a Kiwi, 'cos he eats roots and leaves". Cheers - Mike -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
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IBM classes in US in early 1980's seemed to consistently pronounce CICS as C-I-C-S (see-eye-see-ess), so that's the custom we adopted and taught at our installation when we started using the product. One of our SysProgs got heavily involved with CICS development in Hursley Park, U.K. in 1990's because of some design issues we were having with CICS, and IBM ended up paying his way to visit IBM Hursley for a week. At IBM Hursley they consistently called it "Kicks", so our CICS support SysProgs also got used to that convention as well. Our applications people continued to call it C-I-C-S. Not sure which source to take as authoritative, but "Kicks" takes less effort to say -- which makes it a logical choice if you have to reference the product very frequently in conversation. JC Ewing On 5/9/21 1:57 AM, Meir Zohar wrote: > CICS pronounced Chicks/Thicks in Italy/Spain ... > Took a moment to figure out what the speaker was talking about ... > > MZ > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of > David Spiegel > Sent: Sunday, May 9, 2021 6:42 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread) > > Hi Bob, > This reminds me of a story. > Back in 2000, I was doing an ACF2 to RACF conversion and one of the > customer's people kept saying Ra-Keff (instead of Rack-Eff.) This REALLY got > on my nerves. > > As an aside, a former colleague (with a British accent) always says ZOSS > (instead of Zed-Oh-Ess or Zee-Oh-Ess). > (He's not really British.) > > Have you ever heard ANYONE say IMZ (instead of Eye-Emm-Ess)? > > Regards, > David > > On 2021-05-08 17:02, Bob Bridges wrote: >> I grew up with "doss" and "see-eye-see-ess", but even here in the East I've >> heard "kicks" often enough that I can adjust now if that's what the current >> crowd uses. Actually I think sysprogs say "kicks" more than application >> programmers, for some reason. >> >> I've heard "sicks" just once, I believe, but I don't remember where the >> speaker was from. >> >> "Rack-eff", of course, so I guess I could excuse either "pee-rack-eff" or >> "prack-eff". Dunno what it is, though. >> >> --- >> Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 >> >> /* One of the quickest ways I've found to look foolish is to state >> positively what God will not do. -Bob Bridges */ >> >> -Original Message- >> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On >> Behalf Of David Spiegel >> Sent: Friday, May 7, 2021 17:10 >> >> (I'm also from Southern Ontario -- I say doss and cics.) >> ... -- Joel C. Ewing -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread)
Probably just the effort involved -- takes less effort to transition
from oo to an ess ("root" sixty-six) sound than from ou to an ess sound
, while ou to across is less of a stretch. I call that efficiency --
others may call it laziness.
JC Ewing
On 5/9/21 10:18 PM, Charles Mills wrote:
> It is indeed odd. We pronounce it both ways. Indeed, we say "root" 66. But "I
> took a different 'rout' across town."
>
> Further, here we root for our favorite sports teams. My understanding is that
> in England, rooting is not something one does in polite company.
>
> Charles
>
>
> -Original Message-
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> Subject: Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread)
>
> Coming from England, we always pronounce "route" with a long sound, like
> "root". I understand that in the USA it is usually pronounced the same as
> "rout". No problem.
>
> But in the song "Route 66" it is pronounced the same way we do in England.
> Why is that?
>
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Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread)
It appears that you can. In this list of bus routes from Winchester, scroll down to route 66. Its destination is Romsey *via Hursley*. https://uktransport.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_bus_routes_in_Winchester,_Hampshire -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread)
Classification: Confidential Groan! -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Sunday, May 9, 2021 12:40 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread) [CAUTION: This Email is from outside the Organization. Unless you trust the sender, Don't click links or open attachments as it may be a Phishing email, which can steal your Information and compromise your Computer.] Can I get my CICS on Route 66? Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Sunday, May 9, 2021 6:43 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread) On Sun, 9 May 2021 12:14:25 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >What if you spell it ÇICS? > Could that be added as a member alias? https://apc01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmiro.medium.com%2Fmax%2F1400%2F1*Qvnk1NFFUeiNXiC7AF1owg.pngdata=04%7C01%7Callan.staller%40HCL.COM%7C904fcaf8f56b4bd3fcf108d913118f4a%7C189de737c93a4f5a8b686f4ca9941912%7C0%7C0%7C637561788557042319%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C0sdata=KrquZp1e3zuY7bDpugrMImtQjY4rcpSKb7R6JSL6dUM%3Dreserved=0 -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN ::DISCLAIMER:: The contents of this e-mail and any attachment(s) are confidential and intended for the named recipient(s) only. E-mail transmission is not guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or may contain viruses in transmission. The e mail and its contents (with or without referred errors) shall therefore not attach any liability on the originator or HCL or its affiliates. Views or opinions, if any, presented in this email are solely those of the author and may not necessarily reflect the views or opinions of HCL or its affiliates. Any form of reproduction, dissemination, copying, disclosure, modification, distribution and / or publication of this message without the prior written consent of authorized representative of HCL is strictly prohibited. If you have received this email in error please delete it and notify the sender immediately. Before opening any email and/or attachments, please check them for viruses and other defects. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread)
Charles, In the UK also we might root for our favourite team. That is acceptable. The situation is worse in Australia. We get rather laughed at in a dirty way when talking about routers and pronounce it as "rooters". In Australia, rooting is a private physical matter practised between two consenting adults. Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw Reverse Sweep Consulting Limited https://rsclweb.com ‘Dance like no one is watching; encrypt like everyone is’ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: 10 May 2021 04:18 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread) It is indeed odd. We pronounce it both ways. Indeed, we say "root" 66. But "I took a different 'rout' across town." Further, here we root for our favorite sports teams. My understanding is that in England, rooting is not something one does in polite company. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw Sent: Sunday, May 9, 2021 5:54 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread) Coming from England, we always pronounce "route" with a long sound, like "root". I understand that in the USA it is usually pronounced the same as "rout". No problem. But in the song "Route 66" it is pronounced the same way we do in England. Why is that? Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw https://rsclweb.com ‘Dance like no one is watching. Encrypt like everyone is.’ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread)
Classification: Public According to Chambers dictionary (the de facto resource for cryptic crosswords here), there are 12 noun definitions for root, 4 intransitive verb definitions, and 6 transitive verb definitions.. The one you're referring to appears, according to the entries, to be Australian and New Zealand slang Andy Styles z/Series System Programmer -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: 10 May 2021 04:18 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread) -- This email has reached the Bank via an external source -- It is indeed odd. We pronounce it both ways. Indeed, we say "root" 66. But "I took a different 'rout' across town." Further, here we root for our favorite sports teams. My understanding is that in England, rooting is not something one does in polite company. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw Sent: Sunday, May 9, 2021 5:54 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread) Coming from England, we always pronounce "route" with a long sound, like "root". I understand that in the USA it is usually pronounced the same as "rout". No problem. But in the song "Route 66" it is pronounced the same way we do in England. Why is that? Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Frsclweb.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7CAndy.Styles%40LloydsBanking.com%7C70ebbd4c937041a2060108d91362464d%7C3ded2960214a46ff8cf4611f125e2398%7C0%7C0%7C637562135078484186%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=dgswyrSXHRVtNMlmSxerjtSPLKZmV2Gr6DDM3fspGwM%3Dreserved=0 ‘Dance like no one is watching. Encrypt like everyone is.’ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN Lloyds Banking Group plc. Registered Office: The Mound, Edinburgh EH1 1YZ. Registered in Scotland no. SC95000. Telephone: 0131 225 4555. Lloyds Bank plc. Registered Office: 25 Gresham Street, London EC2V 7HN. Registered in England and Wales no. 2065. Telephone 0207626 1500. Bank of Scotland plc. Registered Office: The Mound, Edinburgh EH1 1YZ. Registered in Scotland no. SC327000. Telephone: 03457 801 801. Lloyds Bank Corporate Markets plc. Registered office: 25 Gresham Street, London EC2V 7HN. Registered in England and Wales no. 10399850. Scottish Widows Schroder Personal Wealth Limited. Registered Office: 25 Gresham Street, London EC2V 7HN. Registered in England and Wales no. 11722983. Lloyds Bank plc, Bank of Scotland plc and Lloyds Bank Corporate Markets plc are authorised by the Prudential Regulation Authority and regulated by the Financial Conduct Authority and Prudential Regulation Authority. Scottish Widows Schroder Personal Wealth Limited is authorised and regulated by the Financial Conduct Authority. Lloyds Bank Corporate Markets Wertpapierhandelsbank GmbH is a wholly-owned subsidiary of Lloyds Bank Corporate Markets plc. Lloyds Bank Corporate Markets Wertpapierhandelsbank GmbH has its registered office at Thurn-und-Taxis Platz 6, 60313 Frankfurt, Germany. The company is registered with the Amtsgericht Frankfurt am Main, HRB 111650. Lloyds Bank Corporate Markets Wertpapierhandelsbank GmbH is supervised by the Bundesanstalt für Finanzdienstleistungsaufsicht. Halifax is a division of Bank of Scotland plc. HBOS plc. Registered Office: The Mound, Edinburgh EH1 1YZ. Registered in Scotland no. SC218813. This e-mail (including any attachments) is private and confidential and may contain privileged material. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete it (including any attachments) immediately. You must not copy, distribute, disclose or use any of the information in it or any attachments. Telephone calls may be monitored or recorded. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread)
ObTernaryComputers Trits are for kids. -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of David Spiegel [dspiegel...@hotmail.com] Sent: Sunday, May 9, 2021 9:00 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread) CICS are for Trids. On 2021-05-09 20:35, Chris Hoelscher wrote: > Silly rabbit, TRICS are for kids . > > Chris Hoelscher > Lead Sys DBA > IBM Global Technical Services on assignmemt to Humana Inc. > T 502.476.2538 or 502.407.7266 > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of > Charles Mills > Sent: Sunday, May 9, 2021 6:41 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] Pronunciations (spun off of another thread) > > [External Email: Use caution with links and attachments] > > > So I guess it's not true what Paul Revere and the Raiders sang? > > CICS just keep getting' harder to find > > Charles > > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Mike Schwab > Sent: Sunday, May 9, 2021 12:39 PM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread) > > Sure. > State Farm and Country Companies in Bloomington Normal IL are on Route > 66 (4 lane bypass Veterans Parkway). > Illinois State University has their computer center a few blocks off the > downtown route. > Horace Mann does and Franklin Life used to in Springfield IL on old Route 66 > (5th&6th / 9th). > Central Management Services, Secretary of State, formerly State Police for > State of Illinois a couple of blocks off the 2nd street route. > And that would cover the segment between Joliet and Edwardsville in Illinois. > And not certain there weren't other mainframes. > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to > lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN > > The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to > which it is addressed > and may contain CONFIDENTIAL material. If you receive this > material/information in error, > please contact the sender and delete or destroy the material/information. > > Humana Inc. and its subsidiaries comply with applicable Federal civil rights > laws and > do not discriminate on the basis of race, color, national origin, ancestry, > age, disability, sex, > marital status, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or religion. > Humana Inc. and its subsidiaries do not > exclude people or treat them differently because of race, color, national > origin, ancestry, age, > disability, sex, marital status, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, > or religion. > > English: ATTENTION: If you do not speak English, language assistance > services, free > of charge, are available to you. Call 1‐877‐320‐1235 (TTY: 711). > > Español (Spanish): ATENCIÓN: Si habla español, tiene a su disposición > servicios > gratuitos de asistencia lingüística. Llame al 1‐877‐320‐1235 (TTY: 711). > > 繁體中文(Chinese):注意:如果您使用繁體中文,您可以免費獲得語言援助 > 服務。請致電 1‐877‐320‐1235 (TTY: 711)。 > > Kreyòl Ayisyen (Haitian Creole): ATANSION: Si w pale Kreyòl Ayisyen, gen > sèvis èd > pou lang ki disponib gratis pou ou. Rele 1‐877‐320‐1235 (TTY: 711). > > Polski (Polish): UWAGA: Jeżeli mówisz po polsku, możesz skorzystać z > bezpłatnej > pomocy językowej. Zadzwoń pod numer 1‐877‐320‐1235 (TTY: 711). > > 한국어 (Korean): 주의: 한국어를 사용하시는 경우, 언어 지원 서비스를 무료로 > 이용하실 수 있습니다. 1‐877‐320‐1235 (TTY: 711)번으로 전화해 주십시오. > > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, > send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread)
It is indeed odd. We pronounce it both ways. Indeed, we say "root" 66. But "I took a different 'rout' across town." Further, here we root for our favorite sports teams. My understanding is that in England, rooting is not something one does in polite company. Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw Sent: Sunday, May 9, 2021 5:54 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread) Coming from England, we always pronounce "route" with a long sound, like "root". I understand that in the USA it is usually pronounced the same as "rout". No problem. But in the song "Route 66" it is pronounced the same way we do in England. Why is that? Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw https://rsclweb.com ‘Dance like no one is watching. Encrypt like everyone is.’ -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread)
CICS are for Trids. On 2021-05-09 20:35, Chris Hoelscher wrote: Silly rabbit, TRICS are for kids . Chris Hoelscher Lead Sys DBA IBM Global Technical Services on assignmemt to Humana Inc. T 502.476.2538 or 502.407.7266 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Sunday, May 9, 2021 6:41 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] Pronunciations (spun off of another thread) [External Email: Use caution with links and attachments] So I guess it's not true what Paul Revere and the Raiders sang? CICS just keep getting' harder to find Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Mike Schwab Sent: Sunday, May 9, 2021 12:39 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread) Sure. State Farm and Country Companies in Bloomington Normal IL are on Route 66 (4 lane bypass Veterans Parkway). Illinois State University has their computer center a few blocks off the downtown route. Horace Mann does and Franklin Life used to in Springfield IL on old Route 66 (5th&6th / 9th). Central Management Services, Secretary of State, formerly State Police for State of Illinois a couple of blocks off the 2nd street route. And that would cover the segment between Joliet and Edwardsville in Illinois. And not certain there weren't other mainframes. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain CONFIDENTIAL material. If you receive this material/information in error, please contact the sender and delete or destroy the material/information. Humana Inc. and its subsidiaries comply with applicable Federal civil rights laws and do not discriminate on the basis of race, color, national origin, ancestry, age, disability, sex, marital status, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or religion. Humana Inc. and its subsidiaries do not exclude people or treat them differently because of race, color, national origin, ancestry, age, disability, sex, marital status, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or religion. English: ATTENTION: If you do not speak English, language assistance services, free of charge, are available to you. Call 1‐877‐320‐1235 (TTY: 711). Español (Spanish): ATENCIÓN: Si habla español, tiene a su disposición servicios gratuitos de asistencia lingüística. Llame al 1‐877‐320‐1235 (TTY: 711). 繁體中文(Chinese):注意:如果您使用繁體中文,您可以免費獲得語言援助 服務。請致電 1‐877‐320‐1235 (TTY: 711)。 Kreyòl Ayisyen (Haitian Creole): ATANSION: Si w pale Kreyòl Ayisyen, gen sèvis èd pou lang ki disponib gratis pou ou. Rele 1‐877‐320‐1235 (TTY: 711). Polski (Polish): UWAGA: Jeżeli mówisz po polsku, możesz skorzystać z bezpłatnej pomocy językowej. Zadzwoń pod numer 1‐877‐320‐1235 (TTY: 711). 한국어 (Korean): 주의: 한국어를 사용하시는 경우, 언어 지원 서비스를 무료로 이용하실 수 있습니다. 1‐877‐320‐1235 (TTY: 711)번으로 전화해 주십시오. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread)
Coming from England, we always pronounce "route" with a long sound, like "root". I understand that in the USA it is usually pronounced the same as "rout". No problem. But in the song "Route 66" it is pronounced the same way we do in England. Why is that? Lennie Dymoke-Bradshaw https://rsclweb.com ‘Dance like no one is watching. Encrypt like everyone is.’ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: 09 May 2021 18:40 To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread) Can I get my CICS on Route 66? Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Sunday, May 9, 2021 6:43 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread) On Sun, 9 May 2021 12:14:25 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >What if you spell it ÇICS? > Could that be added as a member alias? https://miro.medium.com/max/1400/1*Qvnk1NFFUeiNXiC7AF1owg.png -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN This email has been scanned by BullGuard antivirus protection. For more info visit www.bullguard.com -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread)
Silly rabbit, TRICS are for kids . Chris Hoelscher Lead Sys DBA IBM Global Technical Services on assignmemt to Humana Inc. T 502.476.2538 or 502.407.7266 -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of Charles Mills Sent: Sunday, May 9, 2021 6:41 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: [IBM-MAIN] Pronunciations (spun off of another thread) [External Email: Use caution with links and attachments] So I guess it's not true what Paul Revere and the Raiders sang? CICS just keep getting' harder to find Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Mike Schwab Sent: Sunday, May 9, 2021 12:39 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread) Sure. State Farm and Country Companies in Bloomington Normal IL are on Route 66 (4 lane bypass Veterans Parkway). Illinois State University has their computer center a few blocks off the downtown route. Horace Mann does and Franklin Life used to in Springfield IL on old Route 66 (5th&6th / 9th). Central Management Services, Secretary of State, formerly State Police for State of Illinois a couple of blocks off the 2nd street route. And that would cover the segment between Joliet and Edwardsville in Illinois. And not certain there weren't other mainframes. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain CONFIDENTIAL material. If you receive this material/information in error, please contact the sender and delete or destroy the material/information. Humana Inc. and its subsidiaries comply with applicable Federal civil rights laws and do not discriminate on the basis of race, color, national origin, ancestry, age, disability, sex, marital status, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or religion. Humana Inc. and its subsidiaries do not exclude people or treat them differently because of race, color, national origin, ancestry, age, disability, sex, marital status, gender, sexual orientation, gender identity, or religion. English: ATTENTION: If you do not speak English, language assistance services, free of charge, are available to you. Call 1‐877‐320‐1235 (TTY: 711). Español (Spanish): ATENCIÓN: Si habla español, tiene a su disposición servicios gratuitos de asistencia lingüística. Llame al 1‐877‐320‐1235 (TTY: 711). 繁體中文(Chinese):注意:如果您使用繁體中文,您可以免費獲得語言援助 服務。請致電 1‐877‐320‐1235 (TTY: 711)。 Kreyòl Ayisyen (Haitian Creole): ATANSION: Si w pale Kreyòl Ayisyen, gen sèvis èd pou lang ki disponib gratis pou ou. Rele 1‐877‐320‐1235 (TTY: 711). Polski (Polish): UWAGA: Jeżeli mówisz po polsku, możesz skorzystać z bezpłatnej pomocy językowej. Zadzwoń pod numer 1‐877‐320‐1235 (TTY: 711). 한국어 (Korean): 주의: 한국어를 사용하시는 경우, 언어 지원 서비스를 무료로 이용하실 수 있습니다. 1‐877‐320‐1235 (TTY: 711)번으로 전화해 주십시오. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread)
So I guess it's not true what Paul Revere and the Raiders sang? CICS just keep getting' harder to find Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Mike Schwab Sent: Sunday, May 9, 2021 12:39 PM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread) Sure. State Farm and Country Companies in Bloomington Normal IL are on Route 66 (4 lane bypass Veterans Parkway). Illinois State University has their computer center a few blocks off the downtown route. Horace Mann does and Franklin Life used to in Springfield IL on old Route 66 (5th&6th / 9th). Central Management Services, Secretary of State, formerly State Police for State of Illinois a couple of blocks off the 2nd street route. And that would cover the segment between Joliet and Edwardsville in Illinois. And not certain there weren't other mainframes. -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread)
Sure. State Farm and Country Companies in Bloomington Normal IL are on Route 66 (4 lane bypass Veterans Parkway). Illinois State University has their computer center a few blocks off the downtown route. Horace Mann does and Franklin Life used to in Springfield IL on old Route 66 (5th&6th / 9th). Central Management Services, Secretary of State, formerly State Police for State of Illinois a couple of blocks off the 2nd street route. And that would cover the segment between Joliet and Edwardsville in Illinois. And not certain there weren't other mainframes. On Sun, May 9, 2021 at 12:40 PM Charles Mills wrote: > > Can I get my CICS on Route 66? > > Charles -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread)
Can I get my CICS on Route 66? Charles -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Paul Gilmartin Sent: Sunday, May 9, 2021 6:43 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread) On Sun, 9 May 2021 12:14:25 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >What if you spell it ÇICS? > Could that be added as a member alias? https://miro.medium.com/max/1400/1*Qvnk1NFFUeiNXiC7AF1owg.png -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread)
On Sun, 9 May 2021 12:14:25 +, Seymour J Metz wrote: >What if you spell it ÇICS? > Could that be added as a member alias? https://miro.medium.com/max/1400/1*Qvnk1NFFUeiNXiC7AF1owg.png -- gil -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread)
What if you spell it ÇICS? -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of Meir Zohar [zme...@bezeqint.net] Sent: Sunday, May 9, 2021 2:57 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread) CICS pronounced Chicks/Thicks in Italy/Spain ... Took a moment to figure out what the speaker was talking about ... MZ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of David Spiegel Sent: Sunday, May 9, 2021 6:42 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread) Hi Bob, This reminds me of a story. Back in 2000, I was doing an ACF2 to RACF conversion and one of the customer's people kept saying Ra-Keff (instead of Rack-Eff.) This REALLY got on my nerves. As an aside, a former colleague (with a British accent) always says ZOSS (instead of Zed-Oh-Ess or Zee-Oh-Ess). (He's not really British.) Have you ever heard ANYONE say IMZ (instead of Eye-Emm-Ess)? Regards, David On 2021-05-08 17:02, Bob Bridges wrote: > I grew up with "doss" and "see-eye-see-ess", but even here in the East I've > heard "kicks" often enough that I can adjust now if that's what the current > crowd uses. Actually I think sysprogs say "kicks" more than application > programmers, for some reason. > > I've heard "sicks" just once, I believe, but I don't remember where the > speaker was from. > > "Rack-eff", of course, so I guess I could excuse either "pee-rack-eff" or > "prack-eff". Dunno what it is, though. > > --- > Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 > > /* One of the quickest ways I've found to look foolish is to state > positively what God will not do. -Bob Bridges */ > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of David Spiegel > Sent: Friday, May 7, 2021 17:10 > > (I'm also from Southern Ontario -- I say doss and cics.) > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN . -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread)
Phil, About brazilians.. :) We use to say : "siks" Dan Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Sunday, May 9, 2021, 3:57 AM, Meir Zohar wrote: CICS pronounced Chicks/Thicks in Italy/Spain ... Took a moment to figure out what the speaker was talking about ... MZ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of David Spiegel Sent: Sunday, May 9, 2021 6:42 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread) Hi Bob, This reminds me of a story. Back in 2000, I was doing an ACF2 to RACF conversion and one of the customer's people kept saying Ra-Keff (instead of Rack-Eff.) This REALLY got on my nerves. As an aside, a former colleague (with a British accent) always says ZOSS (instead of Zed-Oh-Ess or Zee-Oh-Ess). (He's not really British.) Have you ever heard ANYONE say IMZ (instead of Eye-Emm-Ess)? Regards, David On 2021-05-08 17:02, Bob Bridges wrote: > I grew up with "doss" and "see-eye-see-ess", but even here in the East I've > heard "kicks" often enough that I can adjust now if that's what the current > crowd uses. Actually I think sysprogs say "kicks" more than application > programmers, for some reason. > > I've heard "sicks" just once, I believe, but I don't remember where the > speaker was from. > > "Rack-eff", of course, so I guess I could excuse either "pee-rack-eff" or > "prack-eff". Dunno what it is, though. > > --- > Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 > > /* One of the quickest ways I've found to look foolish is to state > positively what God will not do. -Bob Bridges */ > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of David Spiegel > Sent: Friday, May 7, 2021 17:10 > > (I'm also from Southern Ontario -- I say doss and cics.) > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN . -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread)
CICS pronounced Chicks/Thicks in Italy/Spain ... Took a moment to figure out what the speaker was talking about ... MZ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of David Spiegel Sent: Sunday, May 9, 2021 6:42 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread) Hi Bob, This reminds me of a story. Back in 2000, I was doing an ACF2 to RACF conversion and one of the customer's people kept saying Ra-Keff (instead of Rack-Eff.) This REALLY got on my nerves. As an aside, a former colleague (with a British accent) always says ZOSS (instead of Zed-Oh-Ess or Zee-Oh-Ess). (He's not really British.) Have you ever heard ANYONE say IMZ (instead of Eye-Emm-Ess)? Regards, David On 2021-05-08 17:02, Bob Bridges wrote: > I grew up with "doss" and "see-eye-see-ess", but even here in the East I've > heard "kicks" often enough that I can adjust now if that's what the current > crowd uses. Actually I think sysprogs say "kicks" more than application > programmers, for some reason. > > I've heard "sicks" just once, I believe, but I don't remember where the > speaker was from. > > "Rack-eff", of course, so I guess I could excuse either "pee-rack-eff" or > "prack-eff". Dunno what it is, though. > > --- > Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 > > /* One of the quickest ways I've found to look foolish is to state > positively what God will not do. -Bob Bridges */ > > -Original Message- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On > Behalf Of David Spiegel > Sent: Friday, May 7, 2021 17:10 > > (I'm also from Southern Ontario -- I say doss and cics.) > > -- > For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send > email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN . -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread)
Hi Bob, This reminds me of a story. Back in 2000, I was doing an ACF2 to RACF conversion and one of the customer's people kept saying Ra-Keff (instead of Rack-Eff.) This REALLY got on my nerves. As an aside, a former colleague (with a British accent) always says ZOSS (instead of Zed-Oh-Ess or Zee-Oh-Ess). (He's not really British.) Have you ever heard ANYONE say IMZ (instead of Eye-Emm-Ess)? Regards, David On 2021-05-08 17:02, Bob Bridges wrote: I grew up with "doss" and "see-eye-see-ess", but even here in the East I've heard "kicks" often enough that I can adjust now if that's what the current crowd uses. Actually I think sysprogs say "kicks" more than application programmers, for some reason. I've heard "sicks" just once, I believe, but I don't remember where the speaker was from. "Rack-eff", of course, so I guess I could excuse either "pee-rack-eff" or "prack-eff". Dunno what it is, though. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* One of the quickest ways I've found to look foolish is to state positively what God will not do. -Bob Bridges */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of David Spiegel Sent: Friday, May 7, 2021 17:10 (I'm also from Southern Ontario -- I say doss and cics.) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN . -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread)
I grew up with "doss" and "see-eye-see-ess", but even here in the East I've heard "kicks" often enough that I can adjust now if that's what the current crowd uses. Actually I think sysprogs say "kicks" more than application programmers, for some reason. I've heard "sicks" just once, I believe, but I don't remember where the speaker was from. "Rack-eff", of course, so I guess I could excuse either "pee-rack-eff" or "prack-eff". Dunno what it is, though. --- Bob Bridges, robhbrid...@gmail.com, cell 336 382-7313 /* One of the quickest ways I've found to look foolish is to state positively what God will not do. -Bob Bridges */ -Original Message- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List On Behalf Of David Spiegel Sent: Friday, May 7, 2021 17:10 (I'm also from Southern Ontario -- I say doss and cics.) -- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access instructions, send email to lists...@listserv.ua.edu with the message: INFO IBM-MAIN
Re: Pronunciations (spun off of another thread)
Hi Phil,
This reminds me of a story ...
Approximately 20 years ago, my colleague and myself (same colleague as
the other story) were supporting a company in QC.
Every time the customer called, it took (what seemed like forever) for
the introductory hello.
Part of it was due to their announcing the company name letter-by-letter
(rather than having an acronym).
(Their company name was abbreviated to 6 letters.)
Since English wasn't their mother tongue, they spoke really slowly which
added to the snail pace.
We suggested to them that they should make a word out of the company
initials to speed things up on the phone.
(I'm also from Southern Ontario -- I say doss and cics.)
Regards,
David
On 2021-05-07 15:25, Phil Smith III wrote:
Recapping:
Tom Brennan asked:
Side subject - so how do you pronounce CPACF? I always say each letter,
but some IBM crypto folks say C-Pack-F
I spell it out. "See-pack-eff" makes my head hurt.
Chris Hoelscher added:
Or, for that matter, is it C - I - C - S or KIX? (I use the former, but I
know many use the latter)
René Jansen:
My observation: Brits say KIX, Americans C-I-C-S and Germans, Austrians and
Swiss say SIKS.
And is it Italians or Brasilians who say "cheeks"? That's my favorite.
Charles Mills:
When I moved Eastern to Western US many moons ago it seemed to me as if in
the East I had always heard the acronyms spelled out: D-O-S, C-I-C-S; but
that in the West I heard "doss" and "kicks."
I grew up in Southern Ontario, have been at vendors in the East for 35
years; I've always said "doss" and see-eye-see-ess. Go figure.
DASD is always pronounced, isn't it? Does anyone ever say D-A-S-D?
Non-mainframers!
Db2 on the other hand is always spelled. No one ever says "dub-two."
But they mostly spell it wrong ("DB2"). That's IBM's fault for changing it.
wjanulin:
That is ok. I once had a senior manager ask me what was the difference
between C.I.C.S. and kicks. With a smile, l told him they are one in the
same.
*one AND the same (just sayin').
Tom Brennan t...@tombrennansoftware.com
via ua.edu
Ha ha - now you reminded me of a phone call years ago with an ISV
programmer in England (I'm in USA). The guy said something like, "What
does that Wah-Toe indicate?" And I'm like, Wah-Toe Oh... it's WTO :)
A friend worked with someone who pronounced EVERYTHING like words. So
"CPACF" would probably be something like "suh-pack-eff". Not recommending
this approach, mind you.
I say C-I-C-S too.
Oops... this is the stuff David Crayford said drives people away from
this group. I'll stop now.
Nah. As Dave Gibney notes, DELETE key is easy. But hijacking a thread is
arguably uncool (not complainin' myself, just noting that there is a
reasonable argument that says "If you're gonna change the subject, change
the subject"), hence this note!
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