Re: IP network address assignments/allocations information?

1999-12-03 Thread Perry E. Metzger
Jon Crowcroft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >>Having said that, I ask you: What do you foresee as a realistic IPv6 > >>transition plan? Dual stacks? I don't see it happening, to tell you > >>the truth. (Maybe this 6-in-4 stuff will actually help here.) > > well, how about we just start to tur

Re: To address or NAT to address?

1999-12-03 Thread Bill Fink
> Bill Fink wrote: > > > Now if we could only have an alternate stateful address > > configuration method than the backwards one of DHCPv6, one that > > generated an IPv6 address directly from the host's domain name > > rather than from a layer 2 MAC address, we'd really be in business. >

RE: IP network address assignments/allocations information?

1999-12-03 Thread mark.paton
Daniel, Surely you cannot conceive a time when the IP address' are the domain of everyone. The growth of the Internet / Networking within the last 5 years shows you that our current addressing schema is inadequate for the future demand, if you extrapolate the current growth in line the growth in

Re: IP network address assignments/allocations information?

1999-12-03 Thread John Stracke
Daniel Senie wrote: > Some folks are doing this for dialups too. It's the model for > "home networking" today. Will ISPs be willing to assign a block of > addresses in the future to home networks? Today, they are not, because they want to make that a premium service. However, one day, they may

Re: IP network address assignments/allocations information?

1999-12-03 Thread Daniel Senie
"Perry E. Metzger" wrote: > If you mean RSIP, RSIP is even further from deployment than > v6. Indeed, I'd say that RSIP is a clever but utterly dead end idea. I too would rather see effort put into IPv6... if it's going to happen, let's get going, though... it's been in the oven too long. There

Re: IP network address assignments/allocations information?

1999-12-03 Thread Daniel Senie
John Stracke wrote: > > "Perry E. Metzger" wrote: > > > BTW, I fully agree with those who contend that v6 does not solve the > > route agregation problems we have in v4. > > In itself, no; but getting people who have old non-aggregatable addresses to > transition to v6 will give them the chance

Re: IP network address assignments/allocations information?

1999-12-03 Thread Perry E. Metzger
"J. Noel Chiappa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > While I'm not saying that NAT's are a Great Thing, I do wonder if people are > experiencing a bit of "grass is greener on the other side" syndrome here. > NAT's are in wide-spread use, and lots of people (e.g. you :-) are being > forced to struggle

Re: IP network address assignments/allocations information?

1999-12-03 Thread John Stracke
"Perry E. Metzger" wrote: > BTW, I fully agree with those who contend that v6 does not solve the > route agregation problems we have in v4. In itself, no; but getting people who have old non-aggregatable addresses to transition to v6 will give them the chance to get aggregatable addresses, won't

Re: IP network address assignments/allocations information?

1999-12-03 Thread J. Noel Chiappa
> From: "Perry E. Metzger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > The situation right now is really horrible. People are pretending it > isn't, but the pretense really has to end. The End to End model isn't > just a "nice idea" -- its actually needed for people to manage and > maintain network

Re: IP network address assignments/allocations information?

1999-12-03 Thread Perry E. Metzger
"J. Noel Chiappa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Perry, I'm curious about the technical aspects of the problems you're seeing, > in particular: > > Are the problems you are seeing due to i) the need for NAT boxes to grope > around in packets, ii) the fact that hosts don't have permanent, glob

Re: IP network address assignments/allocations information?

1999-12-03 Thread J. Noel Chiappa
> From: "Perry E. Metzger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > When you've been awakened in the middle of the night every night for a > week, because the NAT rules to deal with the fact that you have several > intercommunicating networks all of which think they're 10.0.0.0/8 > ... Anyone ou

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Re: IP network address assignments/allocations information?

1999-12-03 Thread Steve Deering
At 4:53 PM -0800 12/2/99, Yakov Rekhter wrote: >Consider an alternative where the client decides to use IPv6. Granted, >the client could get enough IPv6 addresses for all purposes, regardless of >whether these purposes essential or not. But then in order for that >client to communicate with the

Re: To address or NAT to address?

1999-12-03 Thread Charles E. Perkins
Bill Fink wrote: > Now if we could only have an alternate stateful address > configuration method than the backwards one of DHCPv6, one that > generated an IPv6 address directly from the host's domain name > rather than from a layer 2 MAC address, we'd really be in business. > Maybe that

Re: IP network address assignments/allocations information?

1999-12-03 Thread Perry E. Metzger
Ian King <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > But then again, I would expect that a large corporation would see the need > to own a large address space, rather than attempting to "pseudo-expand" its > address space through the use of NAT. You are assuming they could get such a space. They can't. No one

Re: looking for a good LDAP documention

1999-12-03 Thread Pete Loshin
At 11:39 AM 12/3/99 +0100, Simon Reynolds wrote: ... >Later I found out that LDAP is based on DAP (directory access protocol) >but I didn't find any real specification what is really send via >that protocol either. Did I miss some RFC or Draft who says what >is really send via the protocol? DAP i

Looking for traces of link failures in WANs

1999-12-03 Thread Idit Keidar
Hi, I am looking for traces or models of the rate of link failures in WANs. When I say "link failure" this includes a slow link that would be detected as faulty by a time-out based failure detector (e.g., TCP). I am particularly interested in the probability that such link failures will cause th

Re: DNS performance (Re: To address or NAT to address?)

1999-12-03 Thread Christian Huitema
At 09:27 AM 12/3/99 +0100, Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote: >At 11:43 01.12.99 -0500, Christian Huitema wrote: >>At 10:49 PM 11/30/99 -0500, Keith Moore wrote: >> >> >note also that DNS is often slow, and seems less reliable than IP. >> >by increasing the reliance on DNS you increase the probability

Re: IP network address assignments/allocations information?

1999-12-03 Thread Bill Manning
> btw, i think the address space stuff for subscribers using NATs is often > (not always) hokum - its > mostly that they can't be bothered to design a decent addressing > architecture for their intranets. > > cheers >jon Oh, I think that there are lots of good engineers out there who do a g

looking for a good LDAP documention

1999-12-03 Thread Simon Reynolds
Hi, I try to implement LDAP support in a little program I made. However, I don't like to waste the program with all the LDAP library stuff from the University of Michigan or OpenLDAP. So I checkout out the LDAP RFC (1777) to make my own little server implementation (it only should support search

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Re: To address or NAT to address?

1999-12-03 Thread Harald Tveit Alvestrand
At 18:01 02.12.99 -0500, Peter Deutsch wrote: >Actually, it's still a relatively simple lookup mechanism (boolean >domain names, anyone? :-) RFC 2673. Sorry, just couldn't resist :-) Harald -- Harald Tveit Alvestrand, EDB Maxware, Norway [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: To address or NAT to address?

1999-12-03 Thread Harald Tveit Alvestrand
At 17:30 01.12.99 -0800, Dan Kohn wrote: >Specific processes can be and almost always are identified by a port number. >Just as TCP connections are identified as a 4-tuple of sender and receiver >IP address and port number, an application layer session would be identified >by a 4-tuple of sender

Re: To address or NAT to address?

1999-12-03 Thread Harald Tveit Alvestrand
At 20:05 02.12.99 -0500, Peter Deutsch wrote: >My question is still there - is the current mission critical nature of >the simple DNS name->IP address lookup service having a chilling effect >on innovation in DNS technology? Definitely. And that's a sign of sanity. > The fact that people have

DNS performance (Re: To address or NAT to address?)

1999-12-03 Thread Harald Tveit Alvestrand
At 11:43 01.12.99 -0500, Christian Huitema wrote: >At 10:49 PM 11/30/99 -0500, Keith Moore wrote: > > >note also that DNS is often slow, and seems less reliable than IP. > >by increasing the reliance on DNS you increase the probability of failure. > >Data point: out of 40,000 random DNS requests l

Re: To address or NAT to address?

1999-12-03 Thread RL 'Bob' Morgan
On Thu, 2 Dec 1999, Peter Deutsch wrote: > Actually, it's still a relatively simple lookup mechanism (boolean > domain names, anyone? :-) The interesting thing is how many different > applications for this technology there are, with more coming along. Some > of these new applications would benef

Re: IP network address assignments/allocations information?

1999-12-03 Thread Jon Crowcroft
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Yakov Rekhter typed: >>Consider an alternative where the client decides to use IPv6. Granted, >>the client could get enough IPv6 addresses for all purposes, regardless of >>whether these purposes essential or not. But then in order for that >>client to commun