Re: Topic drift Re: An Internet Draft as reference material

2000-09-26 Thread John Stracke
Keith Moore wrote: I just checked - my browser bookmarks include at least 5 bookmarked references to the output of search pages. People are going to do it. ;) I'm not at all sure that we want to go the search engine route, but it's a trivial matter to make a search engine return URLs

Re: An Internet Draft as reference material

2000-09-26 Thread Tim Salo
From: Keith Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: An Internet Draft as reference material Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 18:34:54 -0400 To the contrary, I believe that you granted broad permissions when you submitted a document as an Internet Draft. a. not everybody uses the "anything goes"

Re: Topic drift Re: An Internet Draft as reference material

2000-09-26 Thread Grenville Armitage
Keith Moore wrote: [..] It just means that IETF is removing the most widely known and most authoritative source of an I-D after six months. I think that was my point. [..] IETF's current policy makes the I-D series more valuable than it would be if either I-Ds did not

Re: can vpn's extended to mobility

2000-09-26 Thread Paul Hoffman / VPNC
At 4:09 AM +0200 9/24/00, Fred Baker wrote: A VPN is, by my definition, any case where one overlays the global Internet with another private Internet using tunneling. Tunneling procedures today include MPLS, IPSEC, IP/IP, GRE/IP, and probably several others. Others might have a very different

Re: can vpn's extended to mobility

2000-09-26 Thread Dave Crocker
At 09:42 AM 9/26/00 -0700, Paul Hoffman / VPNC wrote: Others might have a very different definition of VPN. The "P" in "VPN" stands for "privacy", which I thought the word was "private" rather than "privacy". "Private" has two different meanings, one for shutting out others from seeing, but

Re: Topic drift Re: An Internet Draft as reference material

2000-09-26 Thread Stephen Kent
As someone who was around when the notion of an I-D was created, let me disagree somewhat. There was a very definite intent to cause I-Ds to "officially" disappear after a limited time frame. Steve

Re: Topic drift Re: An Internet Draft as reference material

2000-09-26 Thread Keith Moore
As someone who was around when the notion of an I-D was created, let me disagree somewhat. There was a very definite intent to cause I-Ds to "officially" disappear after a limited time frame. I don't doubt that at all. But did folks really think that I-Ds would completely vanish from the

Re: can vpn's extended to mobility

2000-09-26 Thread Bill Sommerfeld
Usage of language does change and meaning does evolve. (has anyone set up a VPN sans encryption recently?) Well, does it count if the encryption doesn't cover the whole path? I'm aware of a number of ipsec "vpn" hardware vendors out there who are looking to put encryption in ISP edge

RE: can vpn's extended to mobility

2000-09-26 Thread Paul Hoffman / IMC
At 2:19 PM -0700 9/26/00, Dave Crocker wrote: At 07:56 PM 9/26/00 +0100, Lloyd Wood wrote: Beg to differ. Encapsulation makes the VPN virtual. Encryption ensures that the VPN is private. All networks are privately managed, whether virtual or not; referring to that explicitly seems a bit

Re: can vpn's extended to mobility

2000-09-26 Thread Eric Brunner-Williams
The "P" in "VPN" stands for "privacy", which requires encryption ... I expected the term or concept of "data confidentiality" (the "p" is silent) to be bundled into this service model, not "privacy". Eric