It is perfectly fine to review a specification, understand the
intent of
the original designer, and suggest ways to better achieve the same
result. That is exactly what working groups are supposed to do. It
is
also perfectly fine, if the original designer won't change their
design,
to
On Sat, 11 Oct 2003 22:58:55 PDT, Christian Huitema said:
Well, who made us kings? It is one thing to work and publish designs
that hopefully will be good. It is quite another to judge someone else's
design and brand it bad.
On the other hand, the same skills that allow us to evaluate our own
On zondag, okt 12, 2003, at 03:23 Europe/Amsterdam, Scott Bradner wrote:
If you have $2500 to ante up for the allocation.
you might take a look at the RIR web pages - it does not cost
an ISP $2500 to get additional address space allocated - the
additional fee for additional space for large ISPs
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| Well, who made us kings? It is one thing to work and publish designs
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I agree. But should we not as
Christian Huitema wrote:
[..]
Well, who made us kings?
a track record of being decent engineers. which is why most of
us are ignored when we offer legal advice, and some of us are
acknowledged when we offer clues on networking. (true, others of
us are merely princes, pages or court
Well, who made us kings? It is one thing to work and publish designs
that hopefully will be good. It is quite another to judge someone else's
design and brand it bad. It is far better to let the market be judge.
You're not insisting that the market be judge; you're insisting that
IETF lend
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Just what would you suggest in the way of
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the market has sight. market analysts have hind-sight.
engineering is about fore-sight. therein lies a world of
difference in roles and responsibilities.
The fore-sight of any role is constrained by assumptions. An engineer who
designs a
On Sun, 12 Oct 2003 08:02:09 PDT, Mark Seery [EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
thing depending on your view). Put another way, if the criminal justice system
had the same level of effectiveness at protecting physical assets, I wonder
whether civilization as we know it would exist.
If you want to take
That is a fair point, but I would observe that there are plenty of more
cases where locks were not sufficient.
If there are no tradeoffs to actions/feedback loops, then agents in a
system can not make optimization/fitness decisions and evolution does
not occur.
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On
Nobody made us kings. In fact, we are not kings.
On the other hand, we are not a publication house. Someone having an idea
and writing it up does not require us to publish it as an IETF
standard. Even if it is a good idea.
If someone wants to have the IETF work on something and produce a
snip
the market has sight. market analysts have hind-sight.
engineering is about fore-sight. therein lies a world of
difference in roles and responsibilities.
The fore-sight of any role is constrained by assumptions. An engineer who
designs a building to withstand a collision with a 707
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Keith Moore wrote:
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the market has sight. market analysts have hind-sight.
engineering is about fore-sight. therein lies a world of
difference in roles and responsibilities.
The fore-sight of any role is constrained by assumptions. An engineer who
designs a building to withstand a
there is no perfect foresight. there is no perfect hindsight either.
nor is the market either efficient or reliable at choosing good solutions.
It appears the word market is overloaded with lots of social/political
ideology so rather than go down that road, let me redirect the point by
Keith Moore wrote:
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These days, a lot of people seem to be arguing that IETF shouldn't do
engineering.
Hopefully not - not I for sure, I mean that would require a name change
;-) What I think exists is a difference of opinion about what the
definition of engineering is. Another
These days, a lot of people seem to be arguing that IETF shouldn't do
engineering.
What I think exists is a difference of opinion about what the
definition of engineering is.
another way to put it is - after ~17 years of IETF, we need to start
defining what Internet Engineering means.
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