Re: XML2RFC submission (was Re: ASCII art)

2005-11-24 Thread Dave Crocker
An interesting part of the current text format is that it is defined in a very simple way: so many lines, so many columns, that's about it. Christian, The format has never been that simple and it has gotten increasingly complex in recent years. The format requirements include lines/page,

RE: XML2RFC submission (was Re: ASCII art)

2005-11-24 Thread Christian Huitema
XML2RFC submission would be based on an IETF standard, and I understand that many will find that attractive. However, for me, this is problematic. An interesting part of the current text format is that it is defined in a very simple way: so many lines, so many columns, that's about it. Compare th

Re: Update: IETF Trust Consensus Call

2005-11-24 Thread Geoff Huston
Hi, I'd like to voice my concern with the provisions of Section 10.1 of the Trust, and respons to the Consensus Call with a voice of dissent to consensus on the document as it currently stands. The section of the Trust document that I have some difficulty with is section 10.1 "10.1 Amendme

Re: XML2RFC submission (was Re: ASCII art)

2005-11-24 Thread Doug Ewell
Steven M. Bellovin wrote: That's certainly one reasonable approach. My concern was if we decided that PDF was the right way to publish RFCs -- we'd have no easy way to do diffs, since some people would use XML, some Word, some OpenOffice, etc. Put another way, I'm primarily stating a requirem

Re: XML2RFC submission (was Re: ASCII art)

2005-11-24 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Bill Fenner writes: >On 11/24/05, Steven M. Bellovin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> If we adopt some new format, though, I think we >> really need the ability to generate diffs of different versions of the >> same document. > >The solution that comes to mind for diff

Re: XML2RFC submission (was Re: ASCII art)

2005-11-24 Thread Douglas Otis
On Wed, 2005-11-23 at 20:31 -0500, John C Klensin wrote: > Folks, not to be a stick-in-the-mud, but one of the things that > has made the RFC Editor process attractive for authors is that > it is possible to design and use the right format for a > particular presentation. Sometimes that means "in

Re: XML2RFC submission (was Re: ASCII art)

2005-11-24 Thread Bill Fenner
On 11/24/05, Steven M. Bellovin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > If we adopt some new format, though, I think we > really need the ability to generate diffs of different versions of the > same document. The solution that comes to mind for diffs is to format the old version (to text), format the new ve

Re: XML2RFC submission (was Re: ASCII art)

2005-11-24 Thread Dave Crocker
At the other hand, I would want everybody to realize that if we say: ..., but pure text is still welcome, with hand-conversion by the editor staff. that that means a SERIOUS cost. right. that is why we should have moved to an automated submission process long ago. the issue, now

Re: XML2RFC submission (was Re: ASCII art)

2005-11-24 Thread Dave Crocker
But one of the reasons for EARLY submission deadline is to ensure that the IETF participants actually get some time to READ/STUDY the documents that need f2f time in IETF WG meetings! When TCP was improved enough so that it could saturate a ethernet (jumping from a max of 2Mbps to more than

Re: XML2RFC submission (was Re: ASCII art)

2005-11-24 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED] om>, "Wijnen, Bert (Bert)" writes: >> > >Let me repeat, that as far as I know, the RFC editor does NOT have >.xml versions of the FINAL RFC. They always end up generating .nroff >files and do some tailoring/editing to the .nroff before the final >RFC gets produced (f

Re: XML2RFC submission (was Re: ASCII art)

2005-11-24 Thread Henning Schulzrinne
Wijnen, Bert (Bert) wrote: But one of the reasons for EARLY submission deadline is to ensure that the IETF participants actually get some time to READ/STUDY the documents that need f2f time in IETF WG meetings! Indeed. The idea is that since XML-RFC-formatted drafts can be vetted automatical

RE: XML2RFC submission (was Re: ASCII art)

2005-11-24 Thread Wijnen, Bert (Bert)
> > - Making XML-RFC versions of existing or new RFCs available > > to the public. > > absolutely! > I see support of this a few times (and that includes me). I think that if you (we) all really mean this, then I think it would be good to see if you can get it accepted as an IETF (consensus)

RE: XML2RFC submission (was Re: ASCII art)

2005-11-24 Thread Wijnen, Bert (Bert)
W.r.t. > > - We can say that it's time to require XML2RFC for all drafts. > > there is a variant of this that i think i like: > > do not impose this switch onto those submitting, but change > the formatting language used by the rfc editor to be xml2rfc. > > so, submissions in xml2rfc are highly

RE: XML2RFC submission (was Re: ASCII art)

2005-11-24 Thread Wijnen, Bert (Bert)
Dave Crocker wrote: > This looks like quite a good list. The only thing I would add is an > interactive submission tool that validates the xml2rfc document being > submitted. > > Rather than explicitly penalize the text submitters with an earlier date, > I'd suggest providing a bonus extension