Re: Fwd: The IESG Approved the Expansion of the AS Number Registry

2006-11-27 Thread Thomas Narten
> > I believe that this note should have been CCed to this mail list. I > > believe this action is of general interest. > > > Do you want me to forward this to the NANOG list? I don't see that as necessary (though certainly not harmful). I don't think anyone is chomping at the bit for these...

Re: Something better than DNS?

2006-11-27 Thread Douglas Otis
On Nov 27, 2006, at 7:48 AM, John C Klensin wrote: On the other hand, if one is going to have a network in which all resources are publicly available and unambiguous without prior negotiations between each client and server and in which one doesn't want to allow the time and resources for

Re: Fwd: The IESG Approved the Expansion of the AS Number Registry

2006-11-27 Thread Steven M. Bellovin
On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 14:16:33 -0500 Russ Housley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I believe that this note should have been CCed to this mail list. I > believe this action is of general interest. > Do you want me to forward this to the NANOG list? > > > >To: IANA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >From: IESG S

Fwd: The IESG Approved the Expansion of the AS Number Registry

2006-11-27 Thread Russ Housley
I believe that this note should have been CCed to this mail list. I believe this action is of general interest. Russ To: IANA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> From: IESG Secretary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2006 09:56:13 -0500 Cc: iesg@ietf.org Subject: The IESG Approved the Expansion of the A

RE: do it yourself roots, was Something better than DNS?

2006-11-27 Thread Hallam-Baker, Phillip
The Chinese government administers a state with the worlds largest population, fourth largest land area, fourth to second largest GDP depending on measure. The fact that it is not completely nuts for one of the top five world powers to do a thing does not mean that it is not completely nuts for

Re: do it yourself roots, was Something better than DNS?

2006-11-27 Thread Harald Alvestrand
John Levine wrote: If they can suck down all the top level zone files then it is easy for them to publish an ALTERNATIVE DNS VIEW that contains their own additions. Anyone who uses their view will then see the so-called official DNS info as well as the overlay. When I see claims like this,

Re: Something better than DNS?

2006-11-27 Thread Dave Crocker
Brian E Carpenter wrote: "CoDoNS enables multiple namespace operators to manage the same part of the name hierarchy [...] Ideally, competing operators would preserve a single consistent namespace by issuing names out of a common, shared pool. In the presence of conflicting or inconsistent recor

IM and Presence history

2006-11-27 Thread Dave Crocker
John C Klensin wrote: --On Friday, 24 November, 2006 10:30 -0500 Eric Burger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Or, the reality that with (at the time) a single dominant network provider made the inter-networking point moot. Eric, you are being a little cryptic, perhaps unintentionally. What do you

Re: Something better than DNS?

2006-11-27 Thread Emin Gun Sirer
Hi, Let me expand on how DNSSEC coupled with a cooperative, p2p architecture for DNS can help enable competition among TLDs. The short summary is: - CoDoNS+DNSSEC enable any server to securely serve any name, which makes it possible, should the community decide to pursue it, t

Re: do it yourself roots, was Something better than DNS?

2006-11-27 Thread Joe Baptista
Oops - I forgot about that one. Yes the Chinese Ministry of Information and Industry have many chinese top level domains registered. The are now the largest alternative root system on the planet next to icann and resolve for some 150 million users. And i anticipate they will soon surpass tha

Re: do it yourself roots, was Something better than DNS?

2006-11-27 Thread Peter Dambier
John Levine wrote: If they can suck down all the top level zone files then it is easy for them to publish an ALTERNATIVE DNS VIEW that contains their own additions. Anyone who uses their view will then see the so-called official DNS info as well as the overlay. When I see claims like this, I r

Re: do it yourself roots, was Something better than DNS?

2006-11-27 Thread John Levine
>If they can suck down all the top level zone files then it is easy >for them to publish an ALTERNATIVE DNS VIEW that contains their own >additions. Anyone who uses their view will then see the so-called >official DNS info as well as the overlay. When I see claims like this, I really have to wonde

Re: Something better than DNS?

2006-11-27 Thread John C Klensin
--On Monday, 27 November, 2006 12:44 +0100 Patrick Vande Walle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Olaf M. Kolkman wrote, On 27/11/2006 11:27: > >> Hmmm, "Reliable answers" and "multiple registries for the >> same TLD" in the same sentence? >> >> Multiple registries imply multiple namespaces. That im

RE: Something better than DNS?

2006-11-27 Thread Hallam-Baker, Phillip
> From: Patrick Vande Walle [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > From > http://www.cs.cornell.edu/people/egs/beehive/codons-sigcomm04/ node15.html > > "CoDoNS enables multiple namespace operators to manage the > same part of the name hierarchy [...] Ideally, competing > operators would preserve a singl

Re: Something better than DNS?

2006-11-27 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Patrick Vande Walle wrote: Olaf M. Kolkman wrote, On 27/11/2006 11:27: Hmmm, "Reliable answers" and "multiple registries for the same TLD" in the same sentence? Multiple registries imply multiple namespaces. That implies that there is no coherency, which I interpret as not being reliable.

Re: Something better than DNS?

2006-11-27 Thread Patrick Vande Walle
Olaf M. Kolkman wrote, On 27/11/2006 11:27: > Hmmm, "Reliable answers" and "multiple registries for the same TLD" in > the same sentence? > > Multiple registries imply multiple namespaces. That implies that there > is no coherency, which I interpret as not being reliable. From http://www.cs.corn

Re: Something better than DNS?

2006-11-27 Thread Michael . Dillon
> > DNS is broken since people started disallowing AXFR transfers. > Not sure I understand your point. You query a record, you get an answer. > Why on earth would you want to suck all the world's zone files ? Some people want to publish their own Domain Naming Service with additional information

Re: Something better than DNS?

2006-11-27 Thread Olaf M. Kolkman
On 27Nov 2006, at 10:58 AM, Patrick Vande Walle wrote: return reliable answers to queries, it should also make it possible to have multiple registries for the same TLD Hmmm, "Reliable answers" and "multiple registries for the same TLD" in the same sentence? Multiple registries imply m

Re: Something better than DNS?

2006-11-27 Thread Patrick Vande Walle
Peter Dambier wrote, On 23/11/2006 19:01: > DNS is broken since people started disallowing AXFR transfers. > > DNS is no longer about publishing information about hostnames and numbers > but about keeping this information a seecret. Not sure I understand your point. You query a record, you get an