Re: Another look at 6to4 (and other IPv6 transition issues)

2011-07-19 Thread t.petch
- Original Message - From: Ronald Bonica rbon...@juniper.net To: Noel Chiappa j...@mercury.lcs.mit.edu; ietf@ietf.org Cc: v6...@ietf.org Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 10:20 PM Noel, Given that each of us reads something different into the definition of HISTORIC, is there any hope that

Re: Another look at 6to4 (and other IPv6 transition issues)

2011-07-19 Thread Keith Moore
On Jul 19, 2011, at 3:21 AM, t.petch wrote: What is needed is some lateral thinking, such as the proposal that instead of trying to shoehorn an RFC into an inappropriate, closed set of maturity levels, we use a completely different option, namely an Appplicability Statement that spells out

Re: [hybi] Last Call: draft-ietf-hybi-thewebsocketprotocol-10.txt (The WebSocket protocol) to Proposed Standard

2011-07-19 Thread Dave Cridland
On Tue Jul 19 12:51:16 2011, Iñaki Baz Castillo wrote: 2011/7/11 The IESG iesg-secret...@ietf.org: The IESG has received a request from the BiDirectional or Server-Initiated HTTP WG (hybi) to consider the following document: - 'The WebSocket protocol'  

Re: Confidentiality notices on email messages

2011-07-19 Thread ned+ietf
Content-disposition: noise. Harald, I was about to say the same thing but you beat me to it. Unless we're prepared to talk about defining a general format for such notices (and I'm pretty sure we're not interested in doing that), this doesn't fit as a media type - I can easily envision using

Re: [v6ops] Another look at 6to4 (and other IPv6 transition issues)

2011-07-19 Thread Erik Kline
Given that each of us reads something different into the definition of HISTORIC, is there any hope that this thread will ever converge? I don't see any progress. We may just have to blacklist any resolvers that have 6to4 clients behind them and leave it at that.

Nomcom 2011-2012: Results of Random Selection

2011-07-19 Thread NomCom Chair
Hi all, The following is the list of 10 Nomcom volunteers selected randomly from this list: https://datatracker.ietf.org/ann/nomcom/2991/ 118. Lianshu Zheng, Huawei Technologies; 35. Stephen Hanna, Juniper Networks; 100. Simo Veikkolainen, Nokia; 44. Sheng Jiang, Huawei Technologies Co. Ltd.;

Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-decade-survey-04

2011-07-19 Thread kathleen.moriarty
I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. For background on Gen-ART, please see the FAQ at http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/area/gen/trac/wiki/GenArtfaq. Please wait for direction from your document shepherd or AD before posting a new version of the draft. Document:

Re: [v6ops] Another look at 6to4 (and other IPv6 transition issues)

2011-07-19 Thread Philip Homburg
In your letter dated Tue, 19 Jul 2011 08:26:26 +0900 you wrote: Given that each of us reads something different into the definition of HISTO RIC, is there any hope that this thread will ever converge? I don't see any progress. We may just have to blacklist any resolvers that have 6to4 clients

Re: [hybi] Last Call: draft-ietf-hybi-thewebsocketprotocol-10.txt (The WebSocket protocol) to Proposed Standard

2011-07-19 Thread Iñaki Baz Castillo
2011/7/11 The IESG iesg-secret...@ietf.org: The IESG has received a request from the BiDirectional or Server-Initiated HTTP WG (hybi) to consider the following document: - 'The WebSocket protocol'  draft-ietf-hybi-thewebsocketprotocol-10.txt as a Proposed Standard Hi, I assume there is no

Re: [hybi] Last Call: draft-ietf-hybi-thewebsocketprotocol-10.txt (The WebSocket protocol) to Proposed Standard

2011-07-19 Thread Francis Brosnan Blazquez
As said before, making such DNS SRV specification an extension (so present in other document) will mean no success at all, as WebSocket client implementors (i.e. webbrowser vendors) will not be mandated to implement it and service providers could not rely on the support of DNS SRV in web

Re: [v6ops] Another look at 6to4 (and other IPv6 transition issues)

2011-07-19 Thread Michael Richardson
Erik == Erik Kline e...@google.com writes: Given that each of us reads something different into the definition of HISTORIC, is there any hope that this thread will ever converge? Erik I don't see any progress. Erik We may just have to blacklist any resolvers that have

Re: Another look at 6to4 (and other IPv6 transition issues)

2011-07-19 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
On 17 Jul 2011, at 01:52, John C Klensin wrote: --On Saturday, July 16, 2011 16:03 -0400 Ronald Bonica rbon...@juniper.net wrote: A more likely interpretation is as follows: the IETF is not likely to invest effort in the technology in the future the IETF does not encourage (or discourage)

Re: Another look at 6to4 (and other IPv6 transition issues)

2011-07-19 Thread Doug Barton
On 07/19/2011 14:01, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote: Clearly, the view that making something historic when it's in active use is offensive. No standards body could seek to stand behind their specifications, or to give the impression of doing so, with such a position. Define active use. --

Re: [v6ops] Another look at 6to4 (and other IPv6 transition issues)

2011-07-19 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
On 19 Jul 2011, at 02:26, Erik Kline wrote: Given that each of us reads something different into the definition of HISTORIC, is there any hope that this thread will ever converge? I don't see any progress. We may just have to blacklist any resolvers that have 6to4 clients behind them and

Re: Another look at 6to4 (and other IPv6 transition issues)

2011-07-19 Thread Joel Jaeggli
On Jul 19, 2011, at 2:34 PM, Doug Barton wrote: On 07/19/2011 14:01, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote: Clearly, the view that making something historic when it's in active use is offensive. No standards body could seek to stand behind their specifications, or to give the impression of doing so,

Re: Another look at 6to4 (and other IPv6 transition issues)

2011-07-19 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
On 20 Jul 2011, at 00:34, Doug Barton wrote: On 07/19/2011 14:01, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote: Clearly, the view that making something historic when it's in active use is offensive. No standards body could seek to stand behind their specifications, or to give the impression of doing so, with

Re: Another look at 6to4 (and other IPv6 transition issues)

2011-07-19 Thread Joel M. Halpern
After all, we moved RIPv1 to Historic when it was still widely implemented, and used in many networks. Yours, Joel On 7/19/2011 5:34 PM, Doug Barton wrote: On 07/19/2011 14:01, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote: Clearly, the view that making something historic when it's in active use is offensive.

Re: Another look at 6to4 (and other IPv6 transition issues)

2011-07-19 Thread Sabahattin Gucukoglu
On 20 Jul 2011, at 01:41, Joel Jaeggli wrote: On Jul 19, 2011, at 2:34 PM, Doug Barton wrote: On 07/19/2011 14:01, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote: Clearly, the view that making something historic when it's in active use is offensive. No standards body could seek to stand behind their

Gen-ART last call review of draft-ietf-hybi-thewebsocketprotocol-10

2011-07-19 Thread Richard L . Barnes
I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. For background on Gen-ART, please see the FAQ at http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/area/gen/trac/wiki/GenArtfaq. Please resolve these comments along with any other Last Call comments you may receive. Document:

Last Call: draft-ietf-ospf-auth-trailer-ospfv3-05.txt (Supporting Authentication Trailer for OSPFv3) to Proposed Standard

2011-07-19 Thread The IESG
The IESG has received a request from the Open Shortest Path First IGP WG (ospf) to consider the following document: - 'Supporting Authentication Trailer for OSPFv3' draft-ietf-ospf-auth-trailer-ospfv3-05.txt as a Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and

Protocol Action: 'Internal BGP as Provider/Customer Edge Protocol for BGP/MPLS IP Virtual Private Networks (VPNs)' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-l3vpn-ibgp-08.txt)

2011-07-19 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'Internal BGP as Provider/Customer Edge Protocol for BGP/MPLS IP Virtual Private Networks (VPNs)' (draft-ietf-l3vpn-ibgp-08.txt) as a Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Layer 3 Virtual Private Networks Working Group. The

WG Action: Home Networks (homenet)

2011-07-19 Thread IESG Secretary
A new IETF working group has been formed in the Internet Area. For additional information, please contact the Area Directors or the WG Chair. Home Networks (homenet) --- Current Status: Active Working Group Chair: Mark Townsley townsley at

WG Action: RECHARTER: Protocol Independent Multicast (pim)

2011-07-19 Thread IESG Secretary
The Protocol Independent Multicast (pim) working group in the Routing Area of the IETF has been rechartered. For additional information, please contact the Area Directors or the working group Chairs. Protocol Independent Multicast (pim) --- Current Status:

Protocol Action: 'IPv4 and IPv6 Infrastructure Addresses in BGP Updates for Multicast VPN' to Proposed Standard (draft-ietf-l3vpn-mvpn-infra-addrs-05.txt)

2011-07-19 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'IPv4 and IPv6 Infrastructure Addresses in BGP Updates for Multicast VPN' (draft-ietf-l3vpn-mvpn-infra-addrs-05.txt) as a Proposed Standard This document is the product of the Layer 3 Virtual Private Networks Working Group. The IESG contact

Protocol Action: 'CA Key Rollover in the RPKI' to BCP (draft-ietf-sidr-keyroll-08.txt)

2011-07-19 Thread The IESG
The IESG has approved the following document: - 'CA Key Rollover in the RPKI' (draft-ietf-sidr-keyroll-08.txt) as a BCP This document is the product of the Secure Inter-Domain Routing Working Group. The IESG contact persons are Stewart Bryant and Adrian Farrel. A URL of this Internet Draft

Last Call: draft-ietf-pwe3-fat-pw-07.txt (Flow Aware Transport of Pseudowires over an MPLS Packet Switched Network) to Proposed Standard

2011-07-19 Thread The IESG
The IESG has received a request from the Pseudowire Emulation Edge to Edge WG (pwe3) to consider the following document: - 'Flow Aware Transport of Pseudowires over an MPLS Packet Switched Network' draft-ietf-pwe3-fat-pw-07.txt as a Proposed Standard This is a second last call. The last call is

RFC 6283 on Extensible Markup Language Evidence Record Syntax (XMLERS)

2011-07-19 Thread rfc-editor
A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 6283 Title: Extensible Markup Language Evidence Record Syntax (XMLERS) Author: A. Jerman Blazic, S. Saljic, T. Gondrom Status:

RFC 6319 on Issues Associated with Designating Additional Private IPv4 Address Space

2011-07-19 Thread rfc-editor
A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 6319 Title: Issues Associated with Designating Additional Private IPv4 Address Space Author: M. Azinger, L. Vegoda Status: Informational

RFC 6336 on IANA Registry for Interactive Connectivity Establishment (ICE) Options

2011-07-19 Thread rfc-editor
A new Request for Comments is now available in online RFC libraries. RFC 6336 Title: IANA Registry for Interactive Connectivity Establishment (ICE) Options Author: M. Westerlund, C. Perkins Status: Standards Track

WG Action: Conclusion of Long-Term Archive and Notary Services (ltans)

2011-07-19 Thread IESG Secretary
The Long-Term Archive and Notary Services (ltans) working group in the Security Area has concluded. The IESG contact persons are Sean Turner and Stephen Farrell. The ltans working group has completed its primary charter items, and is officially closing. The mailing list will be retained for