Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-intarea-ipv6-required-01.txt (IPv6Support Required for all IP-capable nodes) to Proposed Standard

2011-08-22 Thread t.petch
I find this document utterly bizarre and think it would seriously damage the Internet to publish it. The idea that ipv6 should be regarded as normal, as of equal standing to ipv4 is fine, the sort of statement that the IAB should make, or have made, as an RFC or in some other form. But this I-D

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-intarea-ipv6-required-01.txt

2011-08-22 Thread Frank Ellermann
Nothing is wrong in BCP 104, it needs no updated by moving the definition of the term version support from one of its sections to another section. -Frank ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-intarea-ipv6-required-01.txt (IPv6 Support Required for all IP-capable nodes) to Proposed Standard

2011-08-22 Thread George, Wesley
From: Keith Moore mo...@network-heretics.com To: ietf@ietf.org Subject: Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-intarea-ipv6-required-01.txt (IPv6 Support Required for all IP-capable nodes) to Proposed Standard I support publication of some document like this one. Suggestions for clarification to this

Re: [Ietf-krb-wg] AD review of draft-ietf-krb-wg-otp-preauth

2011-08-22 Thread Henry B. Hotz
I don't believe any of my desirements justifies holding up publication. Practically speaking, I'm most interested in the disconnected case. It should also be the easiest to test thoroughly. I also believe the draft is good enough for this case. I would very much like to see client code

Re: [mpls] [PWE3] IETF Last Call comment on draft-ietf-pwe3-gal-in-pw

2011-08-22 Thread Luca Martini
John, I would like to let applications decide how they design the use of the gal. So I would propose a simple change , that will move any discussions to the specific applications: The next text would be as follows: - Section 4.2. (GAL Applicability and Usage) in [RFC5586], the

RE: [mpls] [PWE3] IETF Last Call comment on draft-ietf-pwe3-gal-in-pw

2011-08-22 Thread John E Drake
Luca, So, you are considering weighted ECMP, with FAT and entropy label, to be an application? We are also releasing the GAL to float until it finds its proper level within the MPLS label stack? Thanks, John Sent from my iPhone -Original Message- From: Luca Martini

Re: [mpls] [PWE3] IETF Last Call comment on draft-ietf-pwe3-gal-in-pw

2011-08-22 Thread Luca Martini
On 08/19/11 14:53, John E Drake wrote: Luca, So, you are considering weighted ECMP, with FAT and entropy label, to be an application? We are also releasing the GAL to float until it finds its proper level within the MPLS label stack? Yes. It certainly addresses a specific problem that is

Re: [mpls] [PWE3] IETF Last Call comment on draft-ietf-pwe3-gal-in-pw

2011-08-22 Thread Thomas Nadeau
On Aug 19, 2011, at 5:09 PM, Luca Martini wrote: On 08/19/11 14:53, John E Drake wrote: Luca, So, you are considering weighted ECMP, with FAT and entropy label, to be an application? We are also releasing the GAL to float until it finds its proper level within the MPLS label stack?

Re: [mpls] Last Call: draft-ietf-mpls-tp-on-demand-cv-06.txt (MPLS On-demand Connectivity Verification and Route Tracing) to Proposed Standard

2011-08-22 Thread venkatesan mahalingam
Hi, I don't see any TLVs defined for performing the on-demand CV operation on MPLS -TP Sections. Is this intentional? and Co-routed bidirectional tunnel identifier: A1-{Global_ID::Node_ID::Tunnel_Num}::Z9-{Global_ID:: Node_ID::Tunnel_Num}::LSP_Num Associated bidirectional tunnel

Re: [mpls] Last Call: draft-ietf-mpls-tp-on-demand-cv-06.txt (MPLS On-demand Connectivity Verification and Route Tracing) to Proposed Standard

2011-08-22 Thread venkatesan mahalingam
Eric, Don't you feel that uniformity should be maintained on AGI field representation for on-demand and proactive OAM operations? +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | AGI Type| AGI Length | AGI Value|

Question about Policy Announcement and Query...

2011-08-22 Thread Todd Glassey
Would a general access policy lookup tool protocol be viable here? It could bolt-on to both DHCP and NEA but seems like the same additions would be good in both. The same is true with many other protocols. Especially (from my perspective) those being used in automation and testimony

Re: IDNA and Multilingual Internet issues and vocabulary after IDNA2008

2011-08-22 Thread Hector Santos
Not commenting of the legal stuff, I have to admit I like the idea of the Glossary web site with the consolidation of divest material. I thought it had some awkward reading injection of material that probably was not necessary, maybe little unprofessional, but overall for such a divest

RE: [precis] Path towards a multilingalization IUse referent

2011-08-22 Thread Worley, Dale R (Dale)
From: Andrew Sullivan On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 01:08:29AM +0200, jefsey wrote: However, the Internet MUST be supported by a network/human oriented universal semiotic system. I would like a defence of that claim. Speaking entirely personally, I don't believe it. Hmmm, my opinion is

Re: [precis] Path towards a multilingalization IUse referent

2011-08-22 Thread Masataka Ohta
Worley, Dale R (Dale) wrote: But in my social context, when someone argues for a universal communication system, they usually continue with a demand that everybody speaks English. And I don't think that's what we intend. (-- this is a joke) You are confusing characters and languages. Plain

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-intarea-ipv6-required-01.txt (IPv6 Support Required for all IP-capable nodes) to Proposed Standard

2011-08-22 Thread George, Wesley
From: SM s...@resistor.net To: ietf@ietf.org Reply-to: s...@resistor.net Subject: Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-intarea-ipv6-required-01.txt (IPv6 Support Required for all IP-capable nodes) to Proposed Standard X-RSN: 1/0/933/10475/58528 From Section 1: However, due to the success of the Internet

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-intarea-ipv6-required-01.txt (IPv6Support Required for all IP-capable nodes) to Proposed Standard

2011-08-22 Thread George, Wesley
From: t.petch daedu...@btconnect.com To: ietf@ietf.org Reply-to: daedu...@btconnect.com Subject: Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-intarea-ipv6-required-01.txt (IPv6Support Required for all IP-capable nodes) to Proposed Standard I find this document utterly bizarre and think it would seriously damage

Hyatt Taipei cancellation policy?

2011-08-22 Thread Michael StJohns
Hi folks - I just reserved with the hotel and was quite surprised at the cancellation policy. Could you please confirm - Cancel before 1 Nov - no charge, 1-7 Nov 1 night, after 7 Nov full amount? Seriously? This is extreme. I can understand a 1 day fee up to the date of the reservation and

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-intarea-ipv6-required-01.txt (IPv6 Support Required for all IP-capable nodes) to Proposed Standard

2011-08-22 Thread George, Wesley
From: SM s...@resistor.net To: Brian E Carpenter brian.e.carpen...@gmail.com Reply-to: s...@resistor.net Subject: Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-intarea-ipv6-required-01.txt (IPv6 Support Required for all IP-capable nodes) to Proposed Standard Section 2 of RFC 4084 lists the primary IP service terms:

Re: Hyatt Taipei cancellation policy?

2011-08-22 Thread Lixia Zhang
On Aug 22, 2011, at 12:17 PM, Michael StJohns wrote: Hi folks - I just reserved with the hotel and was quite surprised at the cancellation policy. Could you please confirm - Cancel before 1 Nov - no charge, 1-7 Nov 1 night, after 7 Nov full amount? Seriously? This is extreme. I

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-intarea-ipv6-required-01.txt (IPv6 Support Required for all IP-capable nodes) to Proposed Standard

2011-08-22 Thread SM
Hi George, At 10:11 22-08-2011, George, Wesley wrote: WEG] You're reading too much into this. It's a statement of the current situation, not a discussion about whether unique addresses are good or bad. Ok. WEG] As an operator (consumer ISP) who happens to spend a lot of time talking about

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-intarea-ipv6-required-01.txt (IPv6Support Required for all IP-capable nodes) to Proposed Standard

2011-08-22 Thread ned+ietf
I find this document utterly bizarre and think it would seriously damage the Internet to publish it. This seems a little ... extreme. The document appears to me to be Mostly Harmless, with all that implies. The idea that ipv6 should be regarded as normal, as of equal standing to ipv4 is

Experiment for different schedule for Friday

2011-08-22 Thread IETF Chair
The IESG is considering a different schedule for the Friday of IETF 82. The IESG is seeking your input on these potential changes. The IESG would like to try a schedule experiment on Friday, using this schedule: 9:00 AM - 11:00 AM - Session I 11:00 AM - 11:20 AM - Room Change and Cookie Break

Re: Last Call: draft-weil-shared-transition-space-request-03.txt (IANA Reserved IPv4 Prefix for Shared Transition Space) to Informational RFC

2011-08-22 Thread Chris Donley
On 8/19/11 3:42 PM, SM s...@resistor.net wrote: At 09:10 19-08-2011, The IESG wrote: The IESG has received a request from an individual submitter to consider the following document: - 'IANA Reserved IPv4 Prefix for Shared Transition Space' draft-weil-shared-transition-space-request-03.txt as

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-intarea-ipv6-required-01.txt (IPv6Support Required for all IP-capable nodes) to Proposed Standard

2011-08-22 Thread Brian E Carpenter
+1 to Ned. I can't see why this draft seems to make some people go defensive - it isn't saying IPv4 is evil or anything silly like that, it's just saying IPv6 is the future. RFC1122v6 is another matter entirely. We clearly aren't ready for it yet, but draft-ietf-6man-node-req-bis is a step on the

Re: Experiment for different schedule for Friday

2011-08-22 Thread James M. Polk
At 04:24 PM 8/22/2011, IETF Chair wrote: The IESG is considering a different schedule for the Friday of IETF 82. The IESG is seeking your input on these potential changes. The IESG would like to try a schedule experiment on Friday, using this schedule: 9:00 AM - 11:00 AM - Session I 11:00

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-intarea-ipv6-required-01.txt

2011-08-22 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Frank, On 2011-08-23 00:09, Frank Ellermann wrote: Nothing is wrong in BCP 104, it needs no updated by moving the definition of the term version support from one of its sections to another section. But there *is* something wrong with it - it makes IPv6 sound like an optional add-on to basic IP

Re: Experiment for different schedule for Friday

2011-08-22 Thread Randall Gellens
At 5:24 PM -0400 8/22/11, IETF Chair wrote: The IESG is considering a different schedule for the Friday of IETF 82. The IESG is seeking your input on these potential changes. The IESG would like to try a schedule experiment on Friday, using this schedule: 9:00 AM - 11:00 AM - Session

Re: [IETF] Re: Experiment for different schedule for Friday

2011-08-22 Thread Warren Kumari
On Aug 22, 2011, at 7:28 PM, Randall Gellens wrote: At 5:24 PM -0400 8/22/11, IETF Chair wrote: The IESG is considering a different schedule for the Friday of IETF 82. The IESG is seeking your input on these potential changes. The IESG would like to try a schedule experiment on Friday,

Re: Hyatt Taipei cancellation policy?

2011-08-22 Thread Ray Pelletier
On Aug 22, 2011, at 3:17 PM, Michael StJohns wrote: Hi folks - I just reserved with the hotel and was quite surprised at the cancellation policy. Could you please confirm - Cancel before 1 Nov - no charge, 1-7 Nov 1 night, after 7 Nov full amount? As stated on the meeting site:

Re: Hyatt Taipei cancellation policy?

2011-08-22 Thread Ray Pelletier
On Aug 22, 2011, at 3:53 PM, Lixia Zhang wrote: Since you brought up the subject of hotel: up to now IETF hotel prices have been within the federal per diem allowance, but IETF82 seems an exception by a pretty big gap (see

Alternative to the Hyatt

2011-08-22 Thread Dave CROCKER
On 8/22/2011 5:16 PM, Ray Pelletier wrote: The Hyatt knew that foreign visitors needed to use the Hyatt as headquarters Folks, For reference, I found the AT Boutique Hotel, near the Convention Center. Tripadvisor comments are generally positive and the facilities are claimed to be

Re: Hyatt Taipei cancellation policy?

2011-08-22 Thread Marshall Eubanks
On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 8:15 PM, Ray Pelletier rpellet...@isoc.org wrote: On Aug 22, 2011, at 3:17 PM, Michael StJohns wrote: Hi folks - I just reserved with the hotel and was quite surprised at the cancellation policy. Could you please confirm - Cancel before 1 Nov - no charge, 1-7

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-intarea-ipv6-required-01.txt

2011-08-22 Thread Frank Ellermann
Am 2011-08-23 01:03, schrieb Brian E Carpenter: Nothing is wrong in BCP 104, it needs no updated by moving the definition of the term version support from one of its sections to another section. But there *is* something wrong with it - it makes IPv6 sound like an optional add-on to basic IP

Re: Alternative to the Hyatt

2011-08-22 Thread Dave CROCKER
Clarification: The special rate is listed as the Early Bird Package on the website. That part /is/ available. It's the actual booking that doesn't seem to handle it. d/ On 8/22/2011 5:29 PM, Dave CROCKER wrote: For reference, I found the AT Boutique Hotel, near the Convention Center.

Re: Hyatt Taipei cancellation policy?

2011-08-22 Thread Michael StJohns
Hi Ray - See below At 08:15 PM 8/22/2011, Ray Pelletier wrote: On Aug 22, 2011, at 3:17 PM, Michael StJohns wrote: Hi folks - I just reserved with the hotel and was quite surprised at the cancellation policy. Could you please confirm - Cancel before 1 Nov - no charge, 1-7 Nov 1

Re: Hyatt Taipei cancellation policy?

2011-08-22 Thread Michael StJohns
At 08:30 PM 8/22/2011, Marshall Eubanks wrote: Guest Substitution: Guests may substitute names for reserved rooms without penalty up to the event. This sounds like a good use of the Attendees list. Anyone with reservations who can't come should publicize it - I am sure that there will be

Re: Last Call: draft-weil-shared-transition-space-request-03.txt (IANA Reserved IPv4 Prefix for Shared Transition Space) to Informational RFC

2011-08-22 Thread SM
At 14:56 22-08-2011, Chris Donley wrote: This proposal reached ARIN consensus (2011-5), and has been recommended for adoption to the ARIN board. The ARIN BoD has indicated that it is willing to reserve a /10 if asked to do so by the IETF/IANA. [snip] This will be supplied by IANA in

Re: Hyatt Taipei cancellation policy?

2011-08-22 Thread John C Klensin
--On Monday, August 22, 2011 20:16 -0400 Ray Pelletier rpellet...@isoc.org wrote: ... As for the rates, they are high. Taiwan is expensive, particularly given that the hotels know what our options are when we book the TICC. The Hyatt knew that foreign visitors needed to use the Hyatt as

Re: Experiment for different schedule for Friday

2011-08-22 Thread Eliot Lear
On 8/22/11 11:24 PM, IETF Chair wrote: The IESG is considering a different schedule for the Friday of IETF 82. The IESG is seeking your input on these potential changes. The IESG would like to try a schedule experiment on Friday, using this schedule: 9:00 AM - 11:00 AM - Session I

Nomcom 2011-2012: Call for Nominations

2011-08-22 Thread NomCom Chair
Hi All, The 2011-2012 Nominating committee is seeking nominations from now until October 2, 2011. The list of open positions can be found at: https://www.ietf.org/group/nomcom/2011/ Nominations may be made directly on the NomCom 2011-2012 pages by selecting the Nominate link at the top of the