Re: Grey Beards (was [81all] Quick Meeting Survey)

2011-09-22 Thread Ted Hardie
On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Elwyn Davies elw...@googlemail.com wrote: Time for the facial hair standard and ensuring that there is a proper three stage progression from provisional salt and pepper to full blown white out. /Elwyn I think you missed Eric's proposal for a one-step Balding

Re: Grey Beards (was [81all] Quick Meeting Survey)

2011-09-22 Thread Eric Burger
My very own BCP! On Sep 22, 2011, at 4:05 AM, Ted Hardie wrote: On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Elwyn Davies elw...@googlemail.com wrote: Time for the facial hair standard and ensuring that there is a proper three stage progression from provisional salt and pepper to full blown white out.

Re: IAOC: delegating ex-officio responsibility

2011-09-22 Thread Thomas Narten
What is needed is someone who is fully engaged in the IAOC. Having a vote doesn't automatically get you that. Indeed, I would assume most votes are a formality, with decisions reached mostly by consensus. If, in fact, votes are close on a regular basis, the IAOC likely has bigger problems, IMO.

Re: IAOC: delegating ex-officio responsibility

2011-09-22 Thread Marshall Eubanks
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 7:40 AM, Thomas Narten nar...@us.ibm.com wrote: What is needed is someone who is fully engaged in the IAOC. Having a vote doesn't automatically get you that. Indeed, I would assume most votes are a formality, with decisions reached mostly by consensus. Both the IAOC

Re: IAOC: delegating ex-officio responsibility

2011-09-22 Thread Bob Hinden
Mike, On Sep 22, 2011, at 2:01 AM, Michael StJohns wrote: I've been watching this with interest. I'm especially in agreement with Leslie's comments about chair load. Because of the legal issues with respect to the IETF trust and the implementing documents for the IAOC, its going to be

Re: IAOC: delegating ex-officio responsibility

2011-09-22 Thread Joel M. Halpern
Regarding the delegating the IETF chair participation in the IAOC, On 9/22/2011 8:55 AM, Bob Hinden wrote: IETF Chair The IETF chair is chosen by the nomcom. The job requirements are clear in advance. Anyone applying is aware of the job. I don't think the IETF Chair position on the IAOC

Re: IAOC: delegating ex-officio responsibility

2011-09-22 Thread Spencer Dawkins
For Mike, Marshall, and for others who might be noodling on this ... I hesitate to suggest this, but its probably time: Let's add a position to the IESG - Executive Vice-Chair or Co-Adjutor Chair. Basically, either the chair's personal representative (Executive Vice-Chair) or their

Re: Last Call: draft-gundavelli-v6ops-pmipv6-address-reservations-00.txt (Reserved IPv6 Interface Identifier for Proxy Mobile IPv6) to Informational RFC

2011-09-22 Thread Sri Gundavelli
Hi Suresh, On 9/21/11 3:32 PM, Suresh Krishnan suresh.krish...@ericsson.com wrote: Hi Sri, On 11-09-19 01:29 PM, Sri Gundavelli wrote: Hi Jari: In case of PMIPv6, we need the interface ID allocation for PMIv6 domain-wide usage. We may not be able tie this to a specific EUI-64

Re: A or B [was Trust membership]

2011-09-22 Thread Bob Braden
1986 Internet Activities Board 1992 Internet Architecture Board I think this is incorrect. The earliest IAB was created by the ARPA program manager Vint Cert in 1981. (In fact, I probably have some scribbled notes from the first IAB meeting). Vint chose the name Activities to

Re: A or B [was Trust membership]

2011-09-22 Thread Lucy Lynch
On Thu, 22 Sep 2011, Bob Braden wrote: 1986 Internet Activities Board 1992 Internet Architecture Board I think this is incorrect. The earliest IAB was created by the ARPA program manager Vint Cert in 1981. (In fact, I probably have some scribbled notes from the first IAB

Re: IAOC: delegating ex-officio responsibility

2011-09-22 Thread Michael StJohns
Hi Bob - I actually think that delegating this to a co-chair or executive vice chair would work. The similar military model is commander/executive officer where the commander (chair) is responsible for strategic thinking and the XO (co-chair) is responsible for tactical execution. Also the

Re: Last Call: draft-weil-shared-transition-space-request-03.txt (IANA Reserved IPv4 Prefix for Shared Transition Space) to Informational RFC

2011-09-22 Thread Jari Arkko
I reviewed this document as a part of IESG document approvals this week. I have to say that I found it difficult to decide whether to recommend the approval of this or not. We are in a difficult position, out of addresses, having to deploy NAT444, having to choose between the bad and even

Re: A or B [was Trust membership]

2011-09-22 Thread Brian E Carpenter
My version of the history is taken from the IAB's own web site, and it is very specific that the original name was Advisory from 1984 to 1986: http://www.iab.org/about/history/ Not that it really matters; I just wanted to observe that the role has evolved over the years. Brian On

Re: Last Call: draft-weil-shared-transition-space-request-03.txt(IANA Reserved IPv4 Prefix for Shared Transition Space) toInformational RFC

2011-09-22 Thread Spencer Dawkins
Jari, I found your review comments to be very thoughtful and helpful. I understand the concerns you are raising, and I agree that your proposed way forward is reasonable. I did have one question: So here's what I would like to propose. The document goes forward but we make a much clearer

Re: Last Call: draft-weil-shared-transition-space-request-03.txt (IANA Reserved IPv4 Prefix for Shared Transition Space) to Informational RFC

2011-09-22 Thread SM
Hi Jari, At 11:35 22-09-2011, Jari Arkko wrote: But there is clearly consensus in the operator community that we need this. However, I Are you referring to the correspondence between the IAB and ARIN at

Re: Last Call: draft-weil-shared-transition-space-request-03.txt(IANA Reserved IPv4 Prefix for Shared Transition Space) toInformational RFC

2011-09-22 Thread Jari Arkko
Thanks for that question, it is a good one. I would like these additions to be made to a new version of draft-weil. I'm willing to contribute, if necessary. Jari ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf

Re: Last Call: draft-weil-shared-transition-space-request-03.txt (IANA Reserved IPv4 Prefix for Shared Transition Space) to Informational RFC

2011-09-22 Thread Jari Arkko
SM, There obviously has been discussions at ARIN and in the IAB. But when I said consensus in my e-mail, I was referring to discussions in the IETF. Jari ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf

RE: Last Call: draft-weil-shared-transition-space-request-03.txt (IANA Reserved IPv4 Prefix for Shared Transition Space) to Informational RFC

2011-09-22 Thread Ronald Bonica
Is the draft being approved for publication as an Informational RFC? If so, I would appreciate if it documents IETF Consensus. Regards, -sm Before the allocation is made, it will need to be last called again as a BCP. Ron

RE: Last Call: draft-weil-shared-transition-space-request-03.txt (IANA Reserved IPv4 Prefix for Shared Transition Space) to Informational RFC

2011-09-22 Thread George, Wes
-Original Message- From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [mailto:ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Jari Arkko Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 2:35 PM To: ietf@ietf.org; draft-weil-shared-transition-space-requ...@tools.ietf.org Subject: Re: Last Call:

Re: IAOC: delegating ex-officio responsibility

2011-09-22 Thread Noel Chiappa
From: Michael StJohns mstjo...@comcast.net The other reason I suggested adding a co-chair is that our process of finding an IETF chair replacement is haphazard at best and criminally negligent at worst. I'd really like to get a few apprentices identified and qualified

Re: Last Call: draft-gundavelli-v6ops-pmipv6-address-reservations-00.txt (Reserved IPv6 Interface Identifier for Proxy Mobile IPv6) to Informational RFC

2011-09-22 Thread Suresh Krishnan
Hi Sri, On 11-09-21 08:44 PM, Sri Gundavelli wrote: Two MAG's in the same broadcast domain can be ruled out, as there is no mechanism for the nodes to decide on who should support the attached MN. More over, we still have the P2P link assumption and so multiple MAG's in the same broadcast

Re: Last Call: draft-weil-shared-transition-space-request-03.txt (IANA Reserved IPv4 Prefix for Shared Transition Space) to Informational RFC

2011-09-22 Thread Jari Arkko
Wes, : - what types of impacts may be felt by the rest of the network (not the ISP that is deploying NAT444) - what kinds of application practices may be affected - what IETF specifications may need revision due to this (e.g., do we need to revise ICE etc) Jari - It's unclear from your

Re: Last Call: draft-weil-shared-transition-space-request-03.txt (IANA Reserved IPv4 Prefix for Shared Transition Space) to Informational RFC

2011-09-22 Thread Douglas Otis
Dual-Stack Lite, RFC6333 that makes these conversions using a single NAT by combining IPv6 address space with a common 192.0.0.0/29. This approach does not suffer from scaling limitations other than constraining access points to 6 IPv4 interfaces where IPv6 provides the native IP protocol.

Weekly posting summary for ietf@ietf.org

2011-09-22 Thread Thomas Narten
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Re: Last Call: draft-weil-shared-transition-space-request-03.txt (IANA Reserved IPv4 Prefix for Shared Transition Space) to Informational RFC

2011-09-22 Thread Benson Schliesser
On 9/22/11 4:59 PM, Jari Arkko jari.ar...@piuha.net wrote: It's unclear from your statement if you're proposing adding the above to this draft or to a subsequent draft. Sorry. I think this should be a part of draft-weil. I think we'll end up making further work in this space (e.g., if some

IETF 82 - Meeting Information

2011-09-22 Thread IETF Secretariat
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