Re: Getting rid of the dot

2013-03-19 Thread Brian E Carpenter
On 18/03/2013 22:10, Carsten Bormann wrote: I wouldn't mind replacing my blue dot with an indication *what* WG I chair, and in which area that is. Might be a bit more logistics when chairs change, but nothing that can't be solved with a DYMO labelmaker. I can only speak for myself, but I

Re: Please review draft-housley-rfc2050bis-00.txt

2013-03-19 Thread Eliot Lear
While I appreciate the minimalist approach, can we please get one *phrase* each on what is being referenced, so that people might have some reason to actually read the reference: Internet Registries [ASOMOU] and documented in [ICANNv4], [ICANNv6], and [ICANNASN]. Also, I note that

Re: meetecho praise

2013-03-19 Thread Martin Rex
Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: I would just like to say I'm very grateful for the WGs that used Meetecho to record their sessions. The HTML5 versions works out of the box with no plugins in Chrome both on my Ubuntu 12.04 machine and Chrome on my Windows7 machine. The sync of sound, slides,

Re: Getting rid of the dot (was: Mentoring)

2013-03-19 Thread Michael Richardson
Jeffrey == Jeffrey Haas jh...@pfrc.org writes: Jeffrey Such an exercise would probably generate a lot less Jeffrey controversy than my unsanctioned badge experiment. Jeffrey http://pfrc.org/~jhaas/pictures/badge.jpg nice. Instead of getting a new badge every meeting, maybe we

Re: Diversity of IETF Leadership

2013-03-19 Thread Margaret Wasserman
On Mar 12, 2013, at 2:24 PM, Dan Harkins dhark...@lounge.org wrote: I'd love to get out of this rat hole. Perhaps the signatories of the open letter can restate the problem they see so it isn't made in terms of race and gender. The letter specifically mentioned the axes of race, gender,

Re: meetecho praise

2013-03-19 Thread Simon Pietro Romano
Hi Martin, thank you for your feedback. A couple of responses in-line. I would really appreciate if the plenary recordings were not chopped down is so many tiny pieces. It would be perfectly sufficient if there was an overview page that gave the time positions of the individual parts. This

Aw: [apps-discuss] Last Call: draft-ietf-appsawg-webfinger-10.txt (WebFinger) to Proposed Standard

2013-03-19 Thread Hannes Tschofenig
Hi all, I was hoping that some of the remarks that I provided last year (e.g., http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/oauth/current/msg08965.html) would help to clarify the content of the document. That didnt quite happen...In earlier versions of the document I had the impression that the acct: URI

Re: meetecho praise

2013-03-19 Thread Mikael Abrahamsson
On Tue, 19 Mar 2013, Simon Pietro Romano wrote: This actually depends on people's preferences. We are currently cutting the recordings in pieces because we were asked to do so. Many people prefer shorter, independent clips (each of which can be individually downloaded from the server) rather

Re: meetecho praise

2013-03-19 Thread Paul Wouters
On Mon, 18 Mar 2013, alejandroacostaal...@gmail.com wrote: I used to connect using a regular jabber client but the experience with meetecho is much better. Having audio, chat room and the slides is fantastic. I did not use the html5 version so my audio was using vlc, I had to modify our

Re: Getting rid of the dot (was: Mentoring)

2013-03-19 Thread Jeffrey Haas
On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 08:22:46AM -0400, Michael Richardson wrote: Jeffrey == Jeffrey Haas jh...@pfrc.org writes: Jeffrey Such an exercise would probably generate a lot less Jeffrey controversy than my unsanctioned badge experiment. Jeffrey

Re: IETF 86 Admin Plenary Minutes

2013-03-19 Thread Dave Crocker
On 3/18/2013 1:54 PM, Russ Housley wrote: http://www.ietf.org/proceedings/86/minutes/minutes-86-iesg-opsplenary Please review and comment. The difference between a 'venting' session and a 'working' session is that the latter produces action items that actually produce further... action.

Re: Getting rid of the dot (was: Mentoring)

2013-03-19 Thread Carsten Bormann
On Mar 19, 2013, at 13:22, Michael Richardson m...@sandelman.ca wrote: Instead of getting a new badge every meeting, maybe we should just get an IETF86 dot on a badge we keep from meeting to meeting. I want my badge on a shiny embossed metal plate with the words protocol police on it. Where

Re: Getting rid of the dot

2013-03-19 Thread Aaron Yi DING
On 19/03/13 17:19, Carsten Bormann wrote: On Mar 19, 2013, at 13:22, Michael Richardson m...@sandelman.ca wrote: Instead of getting a new badge every meeting, maybe we should just get an IETF86 dot on a badge we keep from meeting to meeting. I want my badge on a shiny embossed metal plate

Re: Getting rid of the dot

2013-03-19 Thread Scott Brim
I want my badge to have my name and a small screen showing the room I just came from.

Re: Getting rid of the dot

2013-03-19 Thread John Levine
In article 51489888.6050...@internet2.edu you write: I want my badge to have my name and a small screen showing the room I just came from. I want the screen to show the room I'm going to next. And it should be upside down so I can read it.

Re: Getting rid of the dot (was: Mentoring)

2013-03-19 Thread Michael StJohns
At 10:08 AM 3/19/2013, Jeffrey Haas wrote: On Tue, Mar 19, 2013 at 08:22:46AM -0400, Michael Richardson wrote: Jeffrey == Jeffrey Haas jh...@pfrc.org writes: Jeffrey Such an exercise would probably generate a lot less Jeffrey controversy than my unsanctioned badge experiment.

Re: Getting rid of the dot

2013-03-19 Thread Doug Barton
On 03/19/2013 11:48 AM, John Levine wrote: In article 51489888.6050...@internet2.edu you write: I want my badge to have my name and a small screen showing the room I just came from. I want the screen to show the room I'm going to next. And it should be upside down so I can read it. And a

Re: Getting rid of the dot

2013-03-19 Thread Michael Richardson
Doug == Doug Barton do...@dougbarton.us writes: In article 51489888.6050...@internet2.edu you write: I want my badge to have my name and a small screen showing the room I just came from. I want the screen to show the room I'm going to next. And it should be upside

Re: Getting rid of the dot

2013-03-19 Thread Ole Jacobsen
On Tue, 19 Mar 2013, Michael Richardson wrote: Actually, I'd just settle for a badge that wasn't always backwards. This *is* solvable. We've been using double-sided badges at APRICOT for years, they look the same flipped or flopped. Of course this would require (gasp) two sets of dots, I am

Re: Getting rid of the dot

2013-03-19 Thread Sumanth Channabasappa
snip Actually, I'd just settle for a badge that wasn't always backwards. While I can't claim that it is 'always' backwards - perhaps a simple(?) solution is to print the identifying information (whatever is decided) on both sides? [Wait - does that double the number of dots :)? Hmmm...] - S

Re: IETF 86 Admin Plenary Minutes

2013-03-19 Thread S Moonesamy
Hi Dave, At 08:01 19-03-2013, Dave Crocker wrote: The difference between a 'venting' session and a 'working' session is that the latter produces action items that actually produce further... action. Yes. For the most part, the open microphone portion of plenaries tends to serve merely as

Re: Please review draft-housley-rfc2050bis-00.txt

2013-03-19 Thread Russ Housley
David: 1) In Section 1, goal #2, Hierarchical Allocation, I believe a reference the definition in RFC 5226 - Section 4.1. Well-Known IANA Policy Definitions, should be considered. We could do so, but I do not believe that the few word in RFC 5226 on hierarchical allocation improve the

Re: Fwd: Re: [IAB] WCIT slides

2013-03-19 Thread Arturo Servin
As I mentioned in the mic during the IAB-sponsored Discussion of WCIT, during the week I had the opportunity to talk and interact to some of the policy fellows invited by ISOC (in general were people from the national regulator or from the ministry of telecommunications -AFAIK-). I also

Re: IETF 86 Admin Plenary Minutes

2013-03-19 Thread Barry Leiba
Obviously not part of the basic note-taking effort, but I suggest that IETF management groups explicitly consider the task of augmenting the notes with published action items they are taking from the sessions. Along that line, I'll note the notes from the App Area chairs meeting, which we've

Re: Getting rid of the dot

2013-03-19 Thread Scott Brim
On 03/19/13 19:50, Michael StJohns allegedly wrote: There's a long history of martian badges at the IETF. During the Stanford IETF many many years ago, there were something like a dozen Milo Medin badges (and I seem to remember at one point Milo was wearing none of them), as well as badges

Re: Getting rid of the dot

2013-03-19 Thread Scott Brim
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/19/13 20:38, Michael Richardson allegedly wrote: Actually, I'd just settle for a badge that wasn't always backwards. It costs a lot more to get lanyards that attach at two corners. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.13 (Darwin)

Re: Getting rid of the dot

2013-03-19 Thread Spencer Dawkins
On 3/19/2013 4:09 PM, Scott Brim wrote: It costs a lot more to get lanyards that attach at two corners. Why am I encouraged every time I come across a problem that can be solved with duct tape? :-) Spencer

Re: Getting rid of the dot

2013-03-19 Thread John Levine
In article 5148d415.1000...@internet2.edu you write: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/19/13 20:38, Michael Richardson allegedly wrote: Actually, I'd just settle for a badge that wasn't always backwards. It costs a lot more to get lanyards that attach at two corners. If our

Re: Getting rid of the dot

2013-03-19 Thread Ole Jacobsen
Oh, please, not an T-shirt designed by an IETF working group! I can just see the list of MUST, SHOULD and MAY have attributes, and how large is large anyway? Ole Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher, The Internet Protocol Journal Cisco Systems Tel: +1 408-527-8972 Mobile: +1 415-370-4628

Re: Getting rid of the dot

2013-03-19 Thread Eliot Lear
On 3/19/13 4:19 PM, Carsten Bormann wrote: I want my badge on a shiny embossed metal plate with the words protocol police on it. Where do I have to apply? If memory serves, HP offered such a badge as Interop schwag in the late '80s. Another old timer, Erik Fair, actually kept his for a few

Re: Mentoring

2013-03-19 Thread Ben Campbell
On Mar 14, 2013, at 9:13 AM, Mary Barnes mary.ietf.bar...@gmail.com wrote: That's a really good idea! Mary. On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 9:03 AM, Ted Lemon ted.le...@nominum.com wrote: I think it might also be worth encouraging working group chairs to have working group breakfast or lunch

Re: Mentoring

2013-03-19 Thread Fred Baker (fred)
On Mar 14, 2013, at 7:03 AM, Ted Lemon ted.le...@nominum.com wrote: I think it might also be worth encouraging working group chairs to have working group breakfast or lunch meetings (RSVP required) where newcomers are invited to come meet the chairs and chairs can strategically invite a few

Re: Mentoring

2013-03-19 Thread Ben Campbell
On Mar 19, 2013, at 6:07 PM, Ben Campbell b...@nostrum.com wrote: On Mar 14, 2013, at 9:13 AM, Mary Barnes mary.ietf.bar...@gmail.com wrote: That's a really good idea! Mary. On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 9:03 AM, Ted Lemon ted.le...@nominum.com wrote: I think it might also be worth

Re: Mentoring

2013-03-19 Thread Ben Campbell
On Mar 18, 2013, at 7:42 AM, Jari Arkko jari.ar...@piuha.net wrote: Seriously though, I am roughly in the same camp as Seiichi. The real introduction of someone into the IETF is mostly about finding discussion partners around the reason why the person came to the IETF to begin with. Most

Re: Mentoring

2013-03-19 Thread Spencer Dawkins
On 3/19/2013 8:01 PM, Ben Campbell wrote: I think this means we should closely consider the goals of a mentoring effort. Is it to help them navigate the IETF structure, personalities, and immune system to get something done? Is it to help them become the next generation of IETF leaders? I

Re: Please review draft-housley-rfc2050bis-00.txt

2013-03-19 Thread David Farmer
On 3/19/13 14:48 , Russ Housley wrote: David: 1) In Section 1, goal #2, Hierarchical Allocation, I believe a reference the definition in RFC 5226 - Section 4.1. Well-Known IANA Policy Definitions, should be considered. We could do so, but I do not believe that the few word in RFC 5226 on

Last Call: draft-ietf-nfsv4-rfc3530bis-25.txt (Network File System (NFS) Version 4 Protocol) to Proposed Standard

2013-03-19 Thread The IESG
The IESG has received a request from the Network File System Version 4 WG (nfsv4) to consider the following document: - 'Network File System (NFS) Version 4 Protocol' draft-ietf-nfsv4-rfc3530bis-25.txt as Proposed Standard The IESG plans to make a decision in the next few weeks, and solicits

Last Call: draft-ietf-nfsv4-rfc3530bis-dot-x-16.txt (Network File System (NFS) Version 4 External Data Representation Standard (XDR) Description) to Proposed Standard

2013-03-19 Thread The IESG
The IESG has received a request from the Network File System Version 4 WG (nfsv4) to consider the following document: - 'Network File System (NFS) Version 4 External Data Representation Standard (XDR) Description' draft-ietf-nfsv4-rfc3530bis-dot-x-16.txt as Proposed Standard The IESG plans