RE: WG Review: Recharter of Hypertext Transfer Protocol Bis (httpbis)

2012-02-23 Thread Leif Sawyer
I've got the last 2 decades of experience trying to deal with security on the network. 95% is dealing with the peculiarities of the bolt-on after-thoughts. I would much prefer seeing security designed-in, with the flexibility to deal with the future...

RE: IETF Last Calls and Godwin-like rules

2012-02-17 Thread Leif Sawyer
Randy Bush speaketh: in reply to: Nick Hilliard It's a quintessential bike-shed problem. The only reason that people are moaning about it so much is that they understand the concept of address allocation. exactly. they understand the concept. and, like many things where the surface

RE: IETF Last Calls and Godwin-like rules

2012-02-17 Thread Leif Sawyer
Randy Bush respondeth... Who gets to decide who the experts are? i listen the folk actually implementing and actually using. i also listen to researchers with expertise in the field. the ietf politicians are already in my ~/.procmailrc. you are welcome to listen to whom you wish.

RE: Last Call: draft-weil-shared-transition-space-request-14.txt (IANA Reserved IPv4 Prefix for Shared Address Space) to BCP

2012-02-14 Thread Leif Sawyer
Pete Resnick wrote: I'm not sure I understand what you're saying. There was some objection at the beginning of this thread by Wes George, Noel Chiappa, and Brian Carpenter. I agreed that the document could be misunderstood as encouraging the use of the space as 1918 space and proposed

RE: Last Call: draft-weil-shared-transition-space-request-14.txt (IANA Reserved IPv4 Prefix for Shared Address Space) to BCP

2012-02-14 Thread Leif Sawyer
Randy Bush writes: in response to Pete Resnick, who wrote: Do you, or do you not, object to the proposed change that changes the text from saying, This space may be used just as 1918 space to This space has limitations and cannot be used as 1918 space? what silliness. it will be used as

RE: Last Call: draft-weil-shared-transition-space-request-14.txt (IANA Reserved IPv4 Prefix for Shared Address Space) to BCP

2012-02-14 Thread Leif Sawyer
Randy Bush writes: in response to me: In that I completely agree with what Randy is saying, the point that needs to be made is that this should not be officially sanctioned as RFC-1918 space -- no manufacturer or programmer should treat this netblock the same. If some fly-by-night