Re: Last Call: Adding a fragment identifier to the text/csv media type(see draft-hausenblas-csv-fragment-06.txt)

2013-10-14 Thread t . p .
- Original Message - From: Barry Leiba barryle...@computer.org To: t.p. daedu...@btconnect.com Cc: IETF discussion list ietf@ietf.org Sent: Monday, October 14, 2013 4:31 PM I find the security considerations in this registration rather weak. What might have sufficed in 2005 seems to

Re: Last Call: Adding a fragment identifier to the text/csv media type(see draft-hausenblas-csv-fragment-06.txt)

2013-10-13 Thread t . p .
I find the security considerations in this registration rather weak. What might have sufficed in 2005 seems to me inadequate for 2013. I would expect a clearer statement of what are or are not considered threats or attacks and what mitigations there then are for them. Tom Petch - Original

Re: leader statements

2013-10-11 Thread t . p .
- Original Message - From: Brian E Carpenter brian.e.carpen...@gmail.com To: Noel Chiappa j...@mercury.lcs.mit.edu Cc: ietf@ietf.org Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 8:38 PM On 11/10/2013 07:52, Noel Chiappa wrote: From: Arturo Servin arturo.ser...@gmail.com Then we have a

Re: Review of: draft-resnick-on-consensus-05

2013-10-11 Thread t . p .
A minor point inline, rest snipped Tom Petch - Original Message - From: Pete Resnick presn...@qti.qualcomm.com To: dcroc...@bbiw.net Cc: IETF Discussion ietf@ietf.org Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2013 11:48 PM Finally back to this original review. On 10/6/13 7:03 PM, Dave Crocker

Re: Last calling draft-resnick-on-consensus

2013-10-08 Thread t . p .
I think that this I-D is flawed and should not become an RFC. It has several implicit presumptions that I think wrong. 1) It does not state its target audience until, perhaps, the reference in the Conclusions, to WG Chairs. It makes no mention of the consensus calls made by ADs, such as at IETF

Re: pgp signing in van

2013-09-10 Thread t . p .
Original Message - From: Richard Barnes r...@ipv.sx To: Peter Saint-Andre stpe...@stpeter.im Cc: ietf@ietf.org Sent: Monday, September 09, 2013 6:14 PM It also makes it obvious to everyone that Peter is using PGP. Which serves a pedagogical function, I guess. :) It also means I can

Re: thoughts on pervasive monitoring

2013-09-10 Thread t . p .
It is a shame that this opportunity was not taken to highlight the need for authentication. Having a totally secure channel with perfect encryption is of little value if the other end of the channel is a hostile power. RFC3365, which you cite, gets in right (of course!). It lists three

the evil of html was Re: pgp signing in van

2013-09-10 Thread t . p .
- Original Message - From: Ted Lemon ted.le...@nominum.com To: t.p. daedu...@btconnect.com Cc: Richard Barnes r...@ipv.sx; Peter Saint-Andre stpe...@stpeter.im; ietf@ietf.org Sent: Tuesday, September 10, 2013 2:03 PM On Sep 10, 2013, at 4:41 AM, t.p. daedu...@btconnect.com wrote: for

Re: Bruce Schneier's Proposal to dedicate November meeting to savingthe Internet from the NSA

2013-09-06 Thread t . p .
- Original Message - From: Phillip Hallam-Baker hal...@gmail.com To: Andrew Sullivan a...@anvilwalrusden.com Cc: IETF Discussion Mailing List ietf@ietf.org Sent: Friday, September 06, 2013 4:56 AM On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 11:32 PM, Andrew Sullivan a...@anvilwalrusden.comwrote: On Fri,

Re: Deprecate

2013-09-05 Thread t . p .
- Original Message - From: t.p. daedu...@btconnect.com To: adr...@olddog.co.uk; 'Michelle Cotton' michelle.cot...@icann.org; 'ietf' ietf@ietf.org Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 4:35 PM Original Message - From: Adrian Farrel adr...@olddog.co.uk To: 'Michelle Cotton'

Deprecate

2013-08-29 Thread t . p .
I recently saw 'deprecate' used in an IANA Considerations and turned to IANA Considerations [RFC5226] to see how it was defined only to find no mention of it there. I am used to the term from SMI, as quoted below, but that seems not quite right, in that a deprecated IANA entry never disappears,

Re: Last Call: draft-cotton-rfc4020bis-01.txt (Early IANA Allocation ofStandards Track Code Points) to Best Current Practice

2013-08-29 Thread t . p .
This I-D uses the term 'deprecated' without defining it nor is the term defined in IANA Considerations [RFC5226] (It does however already appear in the IANA Registry). I am familiar with the SMI definition but that seems not quite right for this context; some of the IANA uses of this have been

Re: Gen-ART LC review ofdraft-ietf-mpls-return-path-specified-lsp-ping-12

2013-08-29 Thread t . p .
Roni I find it difficult to know whether to agree with you or not since there is another gorilla operating in this namespace, namely draft-andersson-mpls-lsp-ping-upd-00 which sort of gives the option of taking out the sub-TLV types of a TLV Type into a separate registry which can then be

Re: Deprecate

2013-08-29 Thread t . p .
Original Message - From: Adrian Farrel adr...@olddog.co.uk To: 'Michelle Cotton' michelle.cot...@icann.org; 'Dearlove, Christopher (UK)' chris.dearl...@baesystems.com; 't.p.' daedu...@btconnect.com; 'ietf' ietf@ietf.org Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2013 4:13 PM Subject: RE: Deprecate

Re: Community Input Sought on SOWs for RFC Production Center and RFCPublisher

2013-08-14 Thread t . p .
- Original Message - From: Ted Lemon ted.le...@nominum.com To: John Levine jo...@taugh.com Cc: IETF Discussion Mailing List ietf@ietf.org Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2013 4:03 PM On Aug 13, 2013, at 9:51 AM, John Levine jo...@taugh.com wrote: There's no great way to send around a

Re: Community Feedback: IETF Trust Agreement Issues

2013-08-08 Thread t . p .
Chris I would not like to see the Trust Agreement change to accommodate issues one or two - I think that the agreement got that one right. Three is different. The Trust ought to be able to dispose of rights that are not needed, never will be and are costing money. But how can that be expressed

Re: Speaking of VAT

2013-08-06 Thread t . p .
Original Message - From: John R Levine jo...@taugh.com To: Yoav Nir y...@checkpoint.com Cc: ietf@ietf.org Sent: Sunday, August 04, 2013 10:47 PM Subject: Re: Speaking of VAT Ray said the tax guys told him the IETF would get back about half of the VAT it paid. That's unrelated to what

Re: Remote participants, newcomers, and tutorials

2013-07-29 Thread t . p .
Dave I think the points you make below are good, once the newcomer to the IETF has found their working group. This is not always easy. Fine if your interest is in OSPF, ISIS, TLS, TCPMaintenance but in other spheres, the IETF approach of choosing a 'witty' name seems to me less than welcoming.

Re: IAOC Website Updated

2013-06-26 Thread t . p .
Original Message - From: Brian E Carpenter brian.e.carpen...@gmail.com To: t.p. daedu...@btconnect.com Cc: ietf ietf@ietf.org; i...@ietf.org Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 9:26 PM Tom, On 25/06/2013 22:48, t.p. wrote: ... The main impression that this page has on me is that this is a

Re: IAOC Website Updated

2013-06-25 Thread t . p .
- Original Message - From: IETF Administrative Director i...@ietf.org To: IETF Announcement List ietf-annou...@ietf.org Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 7:59 PM One of the IAOC goals for 2013 was to update the IAOC website to improve consistency, organization, linkage, and ease of use. I am

Re: Content-free Last Call comments

2013-06-14 Thread t . p .
- Original Message - From: Pete Resnick presn...@qti.qualcomm.com To: Stephen Farrell stephen.farr...@cs.tcd.ie Cc: ietf@ietf.org Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2013 8:45 PM Subject: Re: Content-free Last Call comments It's interesting to see that people are interpreting me to mean I want more

Re: Renaming RFC

2013-06-13 Thread t . p .
- Original Message - From: l.w...@surrey.ac.uk To: ietf@ietf.org Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2013 10:55 PM Subject: Renaming RFC RFC should be renamed to Resulted From Comments. It's now the endpoint of the process; Request For Comments dated from when it was the start. tp Fundamentally

Re: When to adopt a WG I-D

2013-05-31 Thread t . p .
Original Message - From: Melinda Shore melinda.sh...@gmail.com To: adr...@olddog.co.uk Cc: dcroc...@bbiw.net; ietf@ietf.org Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2013 8:06 AM On 5/29/13 10:53 PM, Adrian Farrel wrote: I see a wedge :-) The problem is where to stop. Well, I don't know. Maybe the

Re: IETF Meeting in South America

2013-05-24 Thread t . p .
- Original Message - From: Lou Berger lber...@labn.net To: Yoav Nir y...@checkpoint.com Cc: ietf@ietf.org Sent: Friday, May 24, 2013 5:07 PM Subject: Re: IETF Meeting in South America For Americans, is it much more expensive than a trip to Prague? I just happen to be looking at

Re: Is this an elephant? [Was: call for ideas: tail-heavy IETFprocess]

2013-05-17 Thread t . p .
- Original Message - From: Dave Crocker d...@dcrocker.net To: ietf@ietf.org Sent: Friday, May 17, 2013 4:37 PM On 5/17/2013 7:01 AM, Keith Moore wrote: But WGs should be able to periodically summarize what they're doing - what problem they're trying to solve, what approach they're

Re: Accessing tools from IETF pages

2013-05-10 Thread t . p .
Tom Petch - Original Message - From: Dale R. Worley wor...@ariadne.com To: t.p. daedu...@btconnect.com Cc: ietf@ietf.org Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2013 8:37 PM Subject: Re: Accessing tools from IETF pages From: t.p. daedu...@btconnect.com I wanted to submit an I-D so I wanted to

Accessing tools from IETF pages

2013-05-08 Thread t . p .
I wanted to submit an I-D so I wanted to access the tools, as I have done before, so I clicked on 'IETF Tools' from http://datatracker.ietf.org/wg/ and when that failed tried again with 'Tools Team Pages' from http://www.ietf.org/iesg/ with the same result. Can anyone else get to tools from that

Re: Language editing

2013-05-03 Thread t . p .
- Original Message - From: Peter Saint-Andre stpe...@stpeter.im To: Marc Petit-Huguenin petit...@acm.org Cc: Yaron Sheffer yaronf.i...@gmail.com; ietf@ietf.org Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 12:13 AM On 5/2/13 4:03 PM, Marc Petit-Huguenin wrote: On 05/02/2013 02:40 PM, Yaron Sheffer wrote:

Re: Language editing

2013-05-03 Thread t . p .
Original Message - From: TZI c...@tzi.org To: t.p. daedu...@btconnect.com Cc: Peter Saint-Andre stpe...@stpeter.im; Marc Petit-Huguenin petit...@acm.org; Yaron Sheffer yaronf.i...@gmail.com; ietf ietf@ietf.org Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 9:37 AM Subject: Re: Language editing We really

Re: call for ideas: tail-heavy IETF process

2013-05-03 Thread t . p .
- Original Message - From: Ray Pelletier rpellet...@isoc.org To: adr...@olddog.co.uk Cc: Thomas Narten nar...@us.ibm.com; IETF list ietf@ietf.org Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 3:29 PM On May 3, 2013, at 10:20 AM, Adrian Farrel adr...@olddog.co.uk wrote: Well said, Thomas. Two concrete

Re: call for ideas: tail-heavy IETF process

2013-05-02 Thread t . p .
- Original Message - From: Jari Arkko jari.ar...@piuha.net To: IETF list ietf@ietf.org Cc: Pete Resnick presn...@qti.qualcomm.com Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2013 4:33 PM Subject: call for ideas: tail-heavy IETF process I wrote a blog article about how we do a fairly significant amount of

Re: IETF Diversity Question on Berlin Registration?

2013-04-30 Thread t . p .
- Original Message - From: Margaret Wasserman m...@lilacglade.org To: t.p. daedu...@btconnect.com Cc: Dan Harkins dhark...@lounge.org; ietf@ietf.org Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 1:53 AM Hi Tom, On Apr 19, 2013, at 6:03 AM, t.p. daedu...@btconnect.com wrote: If we required the IETF to

Re: [IETF] Re: IETF Diversity Question on Berlin Registration?

2013-04-30 Thread t . p .
- Original Message - From: Warren Kumari war...@kumari.net To: Joe Abley jab...@hopcount.ca Cc: Sam Hartman hartmans-i...@mit.edu; ietf@ietf.org; stbry...@cisco.com Sent: Monday, April 29, 2013 10:01 PM On Apr 29, 2013, at 4:55 PM, Joe Abley jab...@hopcount.ca wrote: On 2013-04-29, at

Re: last call comments for draft-ietf-6man-stable-privacy-addresses-06

2013-04-25 Thread t . p .
- Original Message - From: Christian Huitema huit...@microsoft.com To: Fernando Gont fg...@si6networks.com; SM s...@resistor.net Cc: RJ Atkinson rja.li...@gmail.com; ietf@ietf.org Sent: Tuesday, April 23, 2013 6:02 PM snip Instead, the draft goes into great details on how to actually

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-ip-cfg-09.txt (A YANG Data Modelfor IP Management) to Proposed Standard

2013-04-23 Thread t . p .
Original Message - From: Clint Chaplin clint.chap...@gmail.com To: IETF Discussion List ietf@ietf.org Cc: net...@ietf.org Sent: Monday, April 22, 2013 9:39 PM Why did this (and the other most recent) last call also not go to IETF-Announce? And I was wondering why I got four copies of

Re: Last Call: draft-ietf-netmod-interfaces-cfg-10.txt (A YANG DataModel for Interface Management) to Proposed Standard

2013-04-23 Thread t . p .
David A thoughtful assessment, and what it brings out for me is that we do not have an Information Model:-( That is, we could have reverse engineered an Information Model from the IF-MIB and then produced a data model in YANG, but that did not happen. Rather, there is a new and different

Re: IETF Diversity Question on Berlin Registration?

2013-04-19 Thread t . p .
- Original Message - From: Dan Harkins dhark...@lounge.org To: Andrew Sullivan a...@anvilwalrusden.com Cc: ietf@ietf.org Sent: Friday, April 19, 2013 4:59 AM On Thu, April 18, 2013 6:44 pm, Andrew Sullivan wrote: On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 08:17:21AM -0700, Dan Harkins wrote: So a problem

Re: IETF Diversity Question on Berlin Registration?

2013-04-15 Thread t . p .
- Original Message - From: Lou Berger lber...@labn.net To: Melinda Shore melinda.sh...@gmail.com Cc: ietf@ietf.org Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2013 1:09 PM Melinda, I'm not so sure debating the merits of a specific measure has value or not is really that helpful, and I probably just

Re: Purpose of IESG Review

2013-04-15 Thread t . p .
- Original Message - From: l.w...@surrey.ac.uk To: daedu...@btconnect.com; arturo.ser...@gmail.com; ietf@ietf.org Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2013 3:46 AM If you think security and congestion are arcane, you have... problems. This was an actual ietf working geoup, and not some e.g. W3c

Re: IETF Diversity Question on Berlin Registration?

2013-04-12 Thread t . p .
Ray Expert as the IETF (and its allied organisations) is in Internet Engineering, I doubt if many of those skills transfer into Social Engineering, which is the field in which I think this question lies. Lacking such expertise, into how to frame a question in order to get the answer which is

Re: Purpose of IESG Review

2013-04-12 Thread t . p .
- Original Message - From: Arturo Servin arturo.ser...@gmail.com To: ietf@ietf.org Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 8:28 PM Not answering any particular post. Just a comment. The IESG should be there to attest that the IETF procedure was followed and the document reached consensus in the

Re: On the tradition of I-D Acknowledgements sections

2013-03-25 Thread t . p .
- Original Message - From: Melinda Shore melinda.sh...@gmail.com To: ietf@ietf.org Sent: Monday, March 25, 2013 1:11 AM We have the mailing list archives, we've got the document shepherd writeups, we've got the IESG evaluation record, we've got the IESG writeups, we've got meeting

Re: Martians

2013-03-13 Thread t . p .
- Original Message - From: Stephen Casner cas...@acm.org To: Noel Chiappa j...@mercury.lcs.mit.edu Cc: ietf@ietf.org Sent: Wednesday, March 13, 2013 3:10 PM On Wed, 13 Mar 2013, Noel Chiappa wrote: Martian is nice expression. Weren't 'unusual' packets called 'Martians' at

Re: The desires of the IETF community

2013-03-08 Thread t . p .
- Original Message - From: S Moonesamy sm+i...@elandsys.com To: Dearlove, Christopher (UK) chris.dearl...@baesystems.com Cc: ietf@ietf.org Sent: Friday, March 08, 2013 2:13 PM At 05:25 08-03-2013, Dearlove, Christopher (UK) wrote: You need at least two more properties (iii) High

Re: congestion control? - (was Re: Appointment of a Transport AreaDirector)

2013-03-07 Thread t . p .
- Original Message - From: Cameron Byrne cb.li...@gmail.com To: Brian E Carpenter brian.e.carpen...@gmail.com Cc: bra...@isi.edu; IETF-Discussion ietf@ietf.org; Dearlove, Christopher (UK) chris.dearl...@baesystems.com; t.p. daedu...@btconnect.com Sent: Wednesday, March 06, 2013 4:12 PM On

Re: congestion control? - (was Re: Appointment of a Transport AreaDirector)

2013-03-06 Thread t . p .
- Original Message - From: Cameron Byrne cb.li...@gmail.com To: Dearlove, Christopher (UK) chris.dearl...@baesystems.com Cc: bra...@isi.edu; ietf@ietf.org Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 8:01 PM On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 3:55 AM, Dearlove, Christopher (UK) chris.dearl...@baesystems.com wrote:

Re: Call for Comment: RFC Format Requirements and Future Development

2013-03-05 Thread t . p .
- Original Message - From: Andrew Sullivan a...@anvilwalrusden.com To: ietf@ietf.org Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 12:30 AM Subject: Re: Call for Comment: RFC Format Requirements and Future Development On Tue, Mar 05, 2013 at 12:48:53AM +0100, Martin Rex wrote: Limiting the waste of

Re: Appointment of a Transport Area Director

2013-03-05 Thread t . p .
- Original Message - From: Sam Hartman hartmans-i...@mit.edu To: Mary Barnes mary.ietf.bar...@gmail.com Cc: Sam Hartman hartmans-i...@mit.edu; IETF ietf@ietf.org Sent: Monday, March 04, 2013 8:26 PM Mary == Mary Barnes mary.ietf.bar...@gmail.com writes: Mary And, I continue to

Re: Appointment of a Transport Area Director

2013-03-05 Thread t . p .
- Original Message - From: Martin Stiemerling martin.stiemerl...@neclab.eu To: t.p. daedu...@btconnect.com Cc: Sam Hartman hartmans-i...@mit.edu; IETF ietf@ietf.org Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 11:13 AM Hi Tom, On 03/05/2013 11:38 AM, t.p. wrote: - Original Message - From:

Re: Appointment of a Transport Area Director

2013-03-05 Thread t . p .
inline - Original Message - From: l.w...@surrey.ac.uk To: daedu...@btconnect.com; martin.stiemerl...@neclab.eu Cc: hartmans-i...@mit.edu; ietf@ietf.org Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 12:53 PM Ah, the 'but security, unlike transport, is actually important' argument. Having seen

Re: Appointment of a Transport Area Director

2013-03-05 Thread t . p .
Original Message - From: Eggert, Lars l...@netapp.com To: t.p. daedu...@btconnect.com Cc: l.w...@surrey.ac.uk; martin.stiemerl...@neclab.eu; ietf@ietf.org Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2013 4:18 PM On Mar 5, 2013, at 15:10, t.p. daedu...@btconnect.com wrote: The question is can we do with a

Re: IETF Challenges

2013-03-03 Thread t . p .
Jari The day after your post I read that The 2012-2013 IETF nomination process has not yet filled the Transport Area Director position despite several attempts to broaden the pool of nominees. which to me sums it up. ADs are the critical resource, on the critical path in project management

Re: Call for Comment: RFC Format Requirements and Future Development

2013-03-02 Thread t . p .
- Original Message - From: John Levine jo...@taugh.com To: ietf@ietf.org Cc: daedu...@btconnect.com Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:44 PM There should be an immutable requirement that any alternative format MUST NOT increase the size by more than a factor of two compared to ASCII text.

Re: Call for Comment: RFC Format Requirements and Future Development

2013-03-02 Thread t . p .
- Original Message - From: Dale R. Worley wor...@ariadne.com To: t.p. daedu...@btconnect.com Cc: rfc-inter...@rfc-editor.org; ietf@ietf.org Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 7:56 PM From: t.p. daedu...@btconnect.com The result was 32kbyte, ie the formatting used by another SDO had

Re: Call for Comment: RFC Format Requirements and Future Development

2013-03-02 Thread t . p .
- Original Message - From: Paul Hoffman paul.hoff...@vpnc.org To: t.p. daedu...@btconnect.com Cc: i...@iab.org; rfc-inter...@rfc-editor.org; ietf ietf@ietf.org Sent: Friday, March 01, 2013 8:58 PM Subject: Re: Call for Comment: RFC Format Requirements and Future Development On Mar 1,

Re: Time zones in IETF agenda

2013-03-01 Thread t . p .
Can anyone help an ignorant European? Given a meeting time of 12:00 Noon ET [sic] on Sunday 10th March 2013, what is that in UTC? Daylight saving will have started by then in the USA but not in Europe so the scope for being an hour late or an hour early is much increased. Tom Petch -

Re: Call for Comment: RFC Format Requirements and Future Development

2013-03-01 Thread t . p .
I think that this I-D has one hole in it but it is a massive one. It places no limit on the size to which an alternative format could expand our documents. I was reminded of this when I received a 514kbyte e-mail from another SDO on an IETF list. I saved the text and so lost the exact

Re: Internet Draft Final Submission Cut-Off Today

2013-02-28 Thread t . p .
- Original Message - From: Margaret Wasserman m...@lilacglade.org To: Pete Resnick presn...@qti.qualcomm.com Cc: ietf@ietf.org Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2013 10:49 PM On Feb 26, 2013, at 5:38 PM, Pete Resnick presn...@qti.qualcomm.com wrote: But more seriously: I agree with you both.

Re: History of protocol discussion or process in WG

2013-02-05 Thread t . p .
- Original Message - From: Dave Crocker d...@dcrocker.net To: Sam Hartman hartmans-i...@mit.edu Cc: Abdussalam Baryun abdussalambar...@gmail.com; ietf ietf@ietf.org; Lixia Zhang li...@cs.ucla.edu Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 6:38 PM On 2/3/2013 10:28 AM, Sam Hartman wrote: I'm not

Re: History of protocol discussion or process in WG

2013-02-05 Thread t . p .
Whoops, I lost a 'not' Tom Petch - Original Message - From: Dave Crocker d...@dcrocker.net To: Sam Hartman hartmans-i...@mit.edu Cc: Abdussalam Baryun abdussalambar...@gmail.com; ietf ietf@ietf.org; Lixia Zhang li...@cs.ucla.edu Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2013 6:38 PM On

Re: Reducing time to publication: was Re: FW: Last Call: draft-farrell-ft-03.txt (A Fast-Track way toRFCwith Running Code) to Experimental RFC

2013-02-01 Thread t . p .
- Original Message - From: SM s...@resistor.net To: t.p. daedu...@btconnect.com Cc: ietf@ietf.org Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 4:51 PM Hi Tom, At 04:04 31-01-2013, t.p. wrote: Time to publication of an RFC can be reduced by cutting out the pauses, which could achieved by

Re: Reducing time to publication: was Re: FW: Last Call: draft-farrell-ft-03.txt (A Fast-Track way toRFCwith Running Code) to Experimental RFC

2013-02-01 Thread t . p .
- Original Message - From: John C Klensin john-i...@jck.com To: t.p. daedu...@btconnect.com Cc: ietf ietf@ietf.org Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2013 2:44 PM --On Thursday, January 31, 2013 12:04 + t.p. daedu...@btconnect.com wrote: Time to publication of an RFC can be reduced by

Reducing time to publication: was Re: FW: Last Call: draft-farrell-ft-03.txt (A Fast-Track way toRFCwith Running Code) to Experimental RFC

2013-01-31 Thread t . p .
Time to publication of an RFC can be reduced by cutting out the pauses, which could achieved by highlighting when they occur. This can be done by a tool which, for every active Working Group, runs monthly and, for every draft adopted by the Working Group, records whether or not there has been a

Re: FW: Last Call: draft-farrell-ft-03.txt (A Fast-Track way toRFC with Running Code) to Experimental RFC

2013-01-27 Thread t . p .
- Original Message - From: Stephen Farrell stephen.farr...@cs.tcd.ie To: m...@sap.com Cc: John C Klensin john-i...@jck.com; Thomas Narten nar...@us.ibm.com; ietf@ietf.org; adr...@olddog.co.uk Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 10:47 PM Hi Martin, On 01/25/2013 09:36 PM, Martin Rex wrote:

Re: FW: Last Call: draft-farrell-ft-03.txt (A Fast-Track way to RFCwith Running Code) to Experimental RFC

2013-01-25 Thread t . p .
- Original Message - From: Thomas Narten nar...@us.ibm.com To: Joe Touch to...@isi.edu Cc: adr...@olddog.co.uk; ietf@ietf.org Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 9:31 PM FWIW, I share Joe's concerns. And Stephen's responses don't really change my mind. This document seems to have a bit of

Re: FW: Last Call: draft-farrell-ft-03.txt (A Fast-Track way toRFC with Running Code) to Experimental RFC

2013-01-25 Thread t . p .
- Original Message - From: Eliot Lear l...@cisco.com To: John C Klensin john-i...@jck.com Cc: Thomas Narten nar...@us.ibm.com; adr...@olddog.co.uk; ietf@ietf.org Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 3:31 PM John, On 1/25/13 4:27 PM, John C Klensin wrote: a WG can skip WG LC if they think

Re: A modest proposal

2013-01-22 Thread t . p .
- Original Message - From: William Jordan wjordan...@gmail.com To: ietf@ietf.org Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 4:57 AM I've recent had to write a program to interface with a SIP lync server and in doing so have had to code to several rfcs. After reading and dealing with

Re: A modest proposal

2013-01-22 Thread t . p .
- Original Message - From: Janet P Gunn jgu...@csc.com To: William Jordan wjordan...@gmail.com Cc: ietf-boun...@ietf.org; ietf@ietf.org Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2013 4:29 PM Subject: Re: A modest proposal Do none of you know what the phrase a modest proposal refers to? Try googling

Re: [PWE3] Gen-ART review of draft-ietf-pwe3-mpls-eth-oam-iwk-06

2013-01-08 Thread t . p .
I notice too that MEP and MIP are incorrectly expanded:-( Tom Petch - Original Message - From: Huub van Helvoort huubatw...@gmail.com To: Greg Mirsky gregimir...@gmail.com Cc: p...@ietf.org; gen-...@ietf.org; Bitar, Nabil N nabil.n.bi...@verizon.com; dinmo...@hotmail.com; ietf@ietf.org

Re: WCIT outcome?

2013-01-03 Thread t . p .
- Original Message - From: David Morris d...@xpasc.com Cc: ietf@ietf.org Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2013 10:16 PM On Wed, 2 Jan 2013, ned+i...@mauve.mrochek.com wrote: At one point there was something that said one phone in each home had to be directly wired without a plug. I

Fw: Feedback Requested: Proposed IEEE RAC OUI Tier Restructuring

2012-12-28 Thread t . p .
I wonder if anyone else has read and understood this. I have read it, but, pdf of a slide show that it is, I could not claim to understand it - perhaps there is text available that would make it clearer. I do see the bit that is like the old, IP, Classful address structure, that the IETF tried

Re: Running code, take 2

2012-12-14 Thread t . p .
- Original Message - From: Yaron Sheffer yaronf.i...@gmail.com To: adr...@olddog.co.uk Cc: ietf@ietf.org; 'Alessandro Vesely' ves...@tana.it Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 2:52 PM Hi Adrian, I would suggest to start with my proposal, because it requires zero implementation effort.

Re: Running code, take 2

2012-12-14 Thread t . p .
- Original Message - From: Marc Blanchet marc.blanc...@viagenie.ca To: Loa Andersson l...@pi.nu Cc: ietf@ietf.org Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2012 3:39 PM Le 2012-12-13 à 10:22, Loa Andersson a écrit : Folks, I agree that understanding the implementation status of a draft sometimes

Re: Barely literate minutes

2012-11-29 Thread t . p .
- Original Message - From: Pete Resnick presn...@qti.qualcomm.com To: Peter Saint-Andre stpe...@stpeter.im Cc: dcroc...@bbiw.net; IETF discussion list ietf@ietf.org Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2012 10:56 PM On 11/28/12 4:45 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: On 11/28/12 2:45 PM, Dave

Re: IETF work is done on the mailing lists

2012-11-27 Thread t . p .
- Original Message - From: Barry Leiba barryle...@computer.org To: IETF discussion list ietf@ietf.org Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 6:00 PM On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 12:25 PM, Dale R. Worley wor...@ariadne.com wrote: That attendance showed me that most of the IETF meeting was a

Re: Newcomers [Was: Evolutionizing the IETF]

2012-11-15 Thread t . p .
- Original Message - From: Brian E Carpenter brian.e.carpen...@gmail.com To: Melinda Shore melinda.sh...@gmail.com Cc: ietf@ietf.org Sent: Thursday, November 15, 2012 8:11 AM On 15/11/2012 03:43, Melinda Shore wrote: ... Right, I understand that (better than you might think - I live in

Re: [mpls] Last Call: draft-ietf-mpls-ipv6-pw-lsp-ping-03.txt(LabelSwitched Path (LSP) Ping for IPv6 Pseudowire FECs) toProposed Standard

2012-11-15 Thread t . p .
More thoughts inline tp three times (and apologies for the slow response). - Original Message - From: Mach Chen mach.c...@huawei.com To: t.p. daedu...@btconnect.com; ietf@ietf.org Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2012 12:24 PM Hi Tom, Many thanks for your comments! Please see my reply

Re: Is there ongoing work on SNMP IPv6 mibs ?

2012-11-10 Thread t . p .
Original Message - From: Carlos M. martinez carlosm3...@gmail.com To: ietf@ietf.org Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 5:24 PM I'll take the silence as a NO :-) tp IETF protocols have since long required to countenance both IPv6 and Management, which for the most part means SNMP, so the

Re: Common sense, process, and the nature of change

2012-11-09 Thread t . p .
- Original Message - From: SM s...@resistor.net To: Ted Hardie ted.i...@gmail.com Cc: ietf@ietf.org Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 9:34 PM Hi Ted, At 11:46 08-11-2012, Ted Hardie wrote: Thinking a bit about the directions that conversation took, I think there is both a relatively

Re: WG Action: Rechartered Bidirectional Forwarding Detection (bfd)

2012-11-08 Thread t . p .
- Original Message - From: Adrian Farrel afar...@juniper.net To: 't.p.' daedu...@btconnect.com; ietf@ietf.org Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2012 5:43 PM Hello Tom. Charter text is distinct from milestones. The charter is discussed by IESG and put out for community review. Milestones are

Re: [mpls] Last Call: draft-ietf-mpls-ipv6-pw-lsp-ping-03.txt (LabelSwitched Path (LSP) Ping for IPv6 Pseudowire FECs) toProposed Standard

2012-11-02 Thread t . p .
I worry about the allocation of sub-TLVs in this I-D. It calls for The following Sub-TLV changes, which comprise three updates and two additions, are made for two TLV Types in the aforementioned sub- registry: TLV Type 1 for Target FEC Stack, and TLV Type 21 for Reply Path. and it is the

Re: WG Action: Rechartered Bidirectional Forwarding Detection (bfd)

2012-11-01 Thread t . p .
I realise that the timekeeping of the IETF is not on a par with its engineering, but it seems a shame to promulgate a new charter for which every milestone is already several months in arrears. Tom Petch - Original Message - From: The IESG iesg-secret...@ietf.org To: IETF-Announce

Re: Change in I-D announcement format

2012-10-24 Thread t . p .
And now there seems to be another unannounced change, in that in addition to the usual announcement format e-mails, there may also be, or may not be, the appearance seems random, of Subject: New Version Notification - e-mails. This may or may not be an improvement, depending on how long it

Re: Draft IESG Statement on Removal of an Internet-Draft from theIETF Web Site

2012-09-13 Thread t . p .
When I read the original IESG statement, I thought it sloppily worded, since it did not use the same terminology as in http://www.ietf.org/ietf-ftp/1id-guidelines.txt which has been cited below. I then wondered if the sloppy, as I saw it, wording might reflect less than precise thinking in the

Re: Proposed IETF Meeting Calendar 2018 - 2022

2012-09-07 Thread t . p .
We seem to have adopted a policy of making the summer meeting overlap what is for me the start of school holidays, and a time to avoid travelling. I used to think of IETF54, IETF57 and IETF66 as the norm and anything else as an aberration, but now it seems the reverse is true. Incidentally, I

Re: [iucg] Last Call: Modern Global Standards Paradigm

2012-08-14 Thread t . p .
- Original Message - From: ALAIN AINA aal...@trstech.net To: IETF ietf@ietf.org Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 1:21 PM I will say there are potential uses of the ITU for good. tp Yes, they did a brilliant job in developing standards which allow the proprietary phone network of one

Re: RFC Errata: when to file, and when not to

2012-08-09 Thread t . p .
- Original Message - From: Alessandro Vesely ves...@tana.it To: ietf@ietf.org Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 6:09 PM On Tue 07/Aug/2012 15:20:35 +0200 t.p. wrote: From: Yoav Nir y...@checkpoint.com Would it make it easier to find if they were called notes or corrections instead

Re: So, where to repeat? (was:Re: management granularity)

2012-08-09 Thread t . p .
Original Message - From: Geoff Mulligan ge...@proto6.com To: Richard Shockey rich...@shockey.us Cc: ietf@ietf.org Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2012 5:34 PM I also would vote to return to Minneapolis again and again even permanently. tp So, would I despite London 2014 being only a train

Re: RFC Errata: when to file, and when not to

2012-08-07 Thread t . p .
Original Message - From: Alessandro Vesely ves...@tana.it To: ietf@ietf.org Sent: Friday, August 03, 2012 4:19 PM On Thu 02/Aug/2012 03:28:38 -0700 Martin J. Dürst wrote: In particular, the errata system is NOT meant to be used as an issue tracker; Of course we have mailing lists,

Re: RFC Errata: when to file, and when not to

2012-08-07 Thread t . p .
- Original Message - From: Yoav Nir y...@checkpoint.com To: t.p. daedu...@btconnect.com Cc: Alessandro Vesely ves...@tana.it; ietf@ietf.org Sent: Tuesday, August 07, 2012 11:58 AM On Aug 7, 2012, at 11:29 AM, t.p. wrote: When I Google RFC, I am sometimes directed to www.ietf.org,

Re: Proposed IETF 95 Date Change

2012-08-03 Thread t . p .
- Original Message - From: Andrew G. Malis agma...@gmail.com To: IETF Administrative Director i...@ietf.org Cc: IETF Discussion ietf@ietf.org Sent: Thursday, August 02, 2012 10:42 PM Subject: Re: Proposed IETF 95 Date Change snip On the other hand, travel on 27 March should be relatively

Re: NomCom 2012-2013: Third Call for Volunteers

2012-08-02 Thread t . p .
- Original Message - From: Samuel Weiler wei...@watson.org To: ietf@ietf.org Sent: Wednesday, August 01, 2012 11:59 PM Sorting that list by affiliation and counting the number of names from each affiliation, the volunteer list as of Monday included: 16 Huawai 15 Cisco 13 Ericsson 9

Re: Draft IESG Statement Regarding Ethertype Requests

2012-08-02 Thread t . p .
What is the position of the IRTF on this? Tom Petch - Original Message - From: Russ Housley hous...@vigilsec.com To: Romascanu, Dan (Dan) droma...@avaya.com Cc: IETF ietf@ietf.org Sent: Monday, July 30, 2012 11:53 PM Dan: Only protocol specifications make use of Ethertypes. The

Re: RFC and I-D Citation Tool

2012-08-01 Thread t . p .
- Original Message - From: Noel Chiappa j...@mercury.lcs.mit.edu To: ietf@ietf.org Cc: r...@iab.org; j...@mercury.lcs.mit.edu; r...@rfc-editor.org Sent: Tuesday, July 31, 2012 10:47 PM From: Ole Jacobsen o...@cisco.com using the American quotation outside punctuation rule.

Re: [secdir] secdir review of draft-sakane-dhc-dhcpv6-kdc-option

2012-06-10 Thread t . p .
Original Message - From: ssakane ssak...@cisco.com To: t.p. daedu...@btconnect.com Cc: draft-sakane-dhc-dhcpv6-kdc-opt...@tools.ietf.org; sec...@ietf.org; ietf ietf@ietf.org Sent: Saturday, June 09, 2012 1:55 AM Removing the section 4.1 to an Appendix is nicer idea rather than just

Re: [secdir] secdir review of draft-sakane-dhc-dhcpv6-kdc-option

2012-06-08 Thread t . p .
Just to make public what I have hinted at privately, I think that steps in section 4.1 may be somewhat underspecified. They give the logic a client, one which supports both DHCP and DNS, should follow in order to find a KDC, with DNS information being preferred. One scenario outlined in section 1

Re: [secdir] secdir review of draft-sakane-dhc-dhcpv6-kdc-option

2012-06-08 Thread t . p .
- Original Message - From: ssakane ssak...@cisco.com To: t.p. daedu...@btconnect.com Cc: draft-sakane-dhc-dhcpv6-kdc-opt...@tools.ietf.org; sec...@ietf.org; ietf ietf@ietf.org Sent: Friday, June 08, 2012 2:29 PM Hi Tom, Some reviewers suggested me to just remove the figure and its

Re: Colloquial language [Re: Last Call:draft-hoffman-tao4677bis-15.txt (The Tao of IETF: A Novice'sGuide to the Internet Engineering Task Force) to Informational RFC]

2012-06-01 Thread t . p .
Original Message - From: Ben Niven-Jenkins b...@niven-jenkins.co.uk To: Ole Jacobsen o...@cisco.com Cc: ietf@ietf.org Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2012 11:36 PM On 31 May 2012, at 09:16, Ole Jacobsen wrote: Sounds like a difficult thing to do with any kind of predictable or measurable

Re: RFC 2119 terms, ALL CAPS vs lower case

2012-05-17 Thread t . p .
- Original Message - From: Doug Barton do...@dougbarton.us To: ietf@ietf.org Cc: Barry Leiba barryle...@computer.org Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2012 7:18 AM On 05/16/2012 06:59, Barry Leiba wrote: In fact, RFC 2119 says that the normative keywords are often capitalized, but doesn't

Re: 'Geek' image scares women away from tech industry ? The Register

2012-05-01 Thread t . p .
- Original Message - From: Huub van Helvoort huubatw...@gmail.com To: ietf@ietf.org Sent: Monday, April 30, 2012 4:52 PM Hi Dale, You wondered: and btw my motto: geek c ést chic! What responses do you receive to your motto? That it is spelled wrong... tp Sad, isn't it? All that

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