Re: [IETF] Re: Appeal Response to Abdussalam Baryun regarding draft-ietf-manet-nhdp-sec-threats

2013-07-03 Thread Warren Kumari
On Jul 3, 2013, at 12:32 PM, Pete Resnick presn...@qti.qualcomm.com wrote: On 7/2/13 6:37 PM, l.w...@surrey.ac.uk wrote: Do we have any statistics on how many appeals to the IESG fail and how many succeed? My quick read of http://www.ietf.org/iesg/appeal.html: Accepted: 6 Denied:

Re: [IETF] Re: Appeal Response to Abdussalam Baryun regarding draft-ietf-manet-nhdp-sec-threats

2013-07-03 Thread John C Klensin
--On Wednesday, July 03, 2013 13:02 -0400 Warren Kumari war...@kumari.net wrote: Thank you -- another worthwhile thing to do is look at who all has appealed and ask yourself Do I really want to be part of this club? I am honored to be a member of that club. Remembering that appeals, as

Re: [IETF] Re: Appeal Response to Abdussalam Baryun regarding draft-ietf-manet-nhdp-sec-threats

2013-07-03 Thread Sam Hartman
John == John C Klensin john-i...@jck.com writes: Strong agreement. I'm not currently a member of that club, although if I stick around the IETF long enough it's bound to happen. I've certainly received and reviewed appeals that I thought were a valid contribution to the process. Don't appeal

Re: [IETF] Re: Appeal Response to Abdussalam Baryun regarding draft-ietf-manet-nhdp-sec-threats

2013-07-03 Thread Pete Resnick
On 7/3/13 1:10 PM, John C Klensin wrote: --On Wednesday, July 03, 2013 13:02 -0400 Warren Kumari war...@kumari.net wrote: Thank you -- another worthwhile thing to do is look at who all has appealed and ask yourself Do I really want to be part of this club? Other than a*very* small

Re: [IETF] Re: Appeal Response to Abdussalam Baryun regarding draft-ietf-manet-nhdp-sec-threats

2013-07-03 Thread Phillip Hallam-Baker
+1 And don't lets forget that plenty of people have proposed schemes that WGs have turned down and then been proven right years later. If people are just saying what everyone else is saying here then they are not adding any value. Rather too often WGs are started by folk seeking a mutual

Re: [IETF] Re: [IETF] Re: Appeal Response to Abdussalam Baryun regarding draft-ietf-manet-nhdp-sec-threats

2013-07-03 Thread Warren Kumari
On Jul 3, 2013, at 3:41 PM, Phillip Hallam-Baker hal...@gmail.com wrote: +1 And don't lets forget that plenty of people have proposed schemes that WGs have turned down and then been proven right years later. If people are just saying what everyone else is saying here then they are not

RE: [IETF] Re: [IETF] Re: Appeal Response to Abdussalam Baryun regarding draft-ietf-manet-nhdp-sec-threats

2013-07-03 Thread l.wood
C: does my appeal look more like the club of 3, or the club of 11? I think there's a new club of one. Lloyd Wood http://sat-net.com/L.Wood/

Re: [IETF] Re: [IETF] Re: Appeal Response to Abdussalam Baryun regarding draft-ietf-manet-nhdp-sec-threats

2013-07-03 Thread Doug Barton
On 07/03/2013 05:20 PM, l.w...@surrey.ac.uk wrote: C: does my appeal look more like the club of 3, or the club of 11? I think there's a new club of one. Wait, so now instead of voting we're using clubs? I think I need to pay more attention to this thread ...

Re: [IETF] Re: [IETF] Re: Appeal Response to Abdussalam Baryun regarding draft-ietf-manet-nhdp-sec-threats

2013-07-03 Thread Dave Cridland
Yeah, but we don't actually count the clubs, so it's okay.

Re: [IETF] [IETF] Re: Appeal Response to Abdussalam Baryun regarding draft-ietf-manet-nhdp-sec-threats

2013-07-03 Thread Ted Lemon
On Jul 3, 2013, at 8:33 PM, Doug Barton do...@dougbarton.us wrote: Wait, so now instead of voting we're using clubs? I think I need to pay more attention to this thread ... If you don't read ietf, you don't get to participate in the consensus... ;)