Re: [fun] [homegate] HOMENET working group proposal

2011-07-01 Thread Ralph Droms (rdroms)
Gone isn't so important as not worth expending any more energy on.. So I'm with Keith and would like to find some words like when it doesn't take any more work. - Ralph On Jun 30, 2011, at 12:00 PM, Fernando Gont ferna...@gont.com.ar wrote: On 06/30/2011 12:46 PM, Keith Moore wrote: I'd

Re: [fun] [homegate] HOMENET working group proposal

2011-07-01 Thread Stephen [kiwin] PALM
It is not for us to decide when a user's network is not worth expending any more energy on. They have deployed their network... and do not want to expend any more energy themselves. If their SP deploys IPv6 inelegantly, the user would have a lot of frustration/work. Which will generate many

Re: [fun] [homegate] HOMENET working group proposal

2011-07-01 Thread Ralph Droms (rdroms)
On Jun 30, 2011, at 12:17 PM, Stephen [kiwin] PALM p...@broadcom.com wrote: It is not for us to decide when a user's network is not worth expending any more energy on. They have deployed their network... and do not want to expend any more energy themselves. If their SP deploys IPv6

Re: [fun] [homegate] HOMENET working group proposal

2011-07-01 Thread Keith Moore
Anytime we develop standards, the standards apply to future products. There's no point in defining standards for applications and devices that are already deployed. Sure, it's nice to have backward compatibility. But I don't think anyone is likely to propose standards for HOMENET that will

Re: [fun] [homegate] HOMENET working group proposal

2011-06-30 Thread Weil, Jason
Mark, 100% in agreement with this stance. Just to echo what Fernando has already stated, you can't completely ignore IPv4 in the home network especially when you are talking about a multi-segmented network. For example RFC6204 calls for a separate /64 on each LAN interface per the L-2

Re: [fun] [homegate] HOMENET working group proposal

2011-06-30 Thread Stephen [kiwin] PALM
On 6/30/2011 8:06 AM, Weil, Jason wrote: Overall I like the concept of not breaking core IPv4 functionality while focussing all new functionality to IPv6. It is more than just IPv4 functionality... it is all the deployed applications and devices that utilize IPv4 and for whatever

Re: [fun] [homegate] HOMENET working group proposal

2011-06-30 Thread Keith Moore
On Jun 30, 2011, at 11:59 AM, Fernando Gont wrote: On 06/30/2011 12:46 PM, Keith Moore wrote: I'd like for this group to relax the wherever possible bit, so as to not preclude solutions where IPv6 can do a better job than IPv4. IPv4 is a dinosaur gasping for its last breaths. Just

Re: [fun] [homegate] HOMENET working group proposal

2011-06-30 Thread Masataka Ohta
Weil, Jason wrote: Overall I like the concept of not breaking core IPv4 functionality while focussing all new functionality to IPv6. Remember that IPv6 became unusably complex by impossible attempts to add new functionality not available with IPv4, which implies that there is no such thing as

Re: [fun] [homegate] HOMENET working group proposal

2011-06-30 Thread Mark Andrews
In message 5c263f1c-a180-4efc-a44f-3e867c6cf...@apple.com, james woodyatt wri tes: On Jun 30, 2011, at 09:36 , Keith Moore wrote: when the group can define something that is useful in IPv6, it shouldn't ma tter whether it's also useful for IPv4. please don't constrain home networks to

Re: [fun] [homegate] HOMENET working group proposal

2011-06-30 Thread JP Vasseur (jvasseur)
Moore mo...@network-heretics.com Cc: IETF Discussion ietf@ietf.org; f...@ietf.org f...@ietf.org; homeg...@ietf.org homeg...@ietf.org Subject: Re: [fun] [homegate] HOMENET working group proposal On Jun 30, 2011, at 5:46 PM, Keith Moore wrote: On Jun 30, 2011, at 5:57 AM, Mark Townsley wrote