Re: [Gen-art] Gen-ART LC Review of draft-thornburgh-adobe-rtmfp-07

2013-06-27 Thread Jari Arkko
Ben, thank you very much for the review, and Michael, thank you for answering and addressing the issues. I am still concerned about the crypto profile question, however. I'd like to understand what the lack of a profile specification means for interoperability and the ability of others to use

RE: Gen-ART LC Review of draft-thornburgh-adobe-rtmfp-07

2013-06-26 Thread Michael Thornburgh
comments inline. From: Ben Campbell [mailto:b...@nostrum.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 4:10 PM Thanks for the response! Comments inline: Thanks! Ben. On Jun 21, 2013, at 4:35 PM, Michael Thornburgh mthor...@adobe.com wrote: hi Ben. thanks for your review.

Re: Gen-ART LC Review of draft-thornburgh-adobe-rtmfp-07

2013-06-26 Thread Ben Campbell
Hi Michael, Thanks for the continued responses. A few more comments inline. I deleted sections that did not seem to need further comment. In summary, all of my concerns are resolved except for the crypto profile question. Thanks! Ben. On Jun 26, 2013, at 2:00 PM, Michael Thornburgh

RE: Gen-ART LC Review of draft-thornburgh-adobe-rtmfp-07

2013-06-26 Thread Michael Thornburgh
hi Ben. comment inline. From: Ben Campbell [mailto:b...@nostrum.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2013 1:04 PM Hi Michael, Thanks for the continued responses. A few more comments inline. I deleted sections that did not seem to need further comment. In summary, all of my concerns are

RE: Gen-ART LC Review of draft-thornburgh-adobe-rtmfp-07

2013-06-25 Thread Michael Thornburgh
hi Ben, all. i have uploaded a new revision -08 of this draft that addresses comments raised during the IETF Last Call, which has now concluded. Ben: i believe the second-person voice in this memo is used exclusively for detailing algorithms that are to be performed. i believe the imperative

Re: Gen-ART LC Review of draft-thornburgh-adobe-rtmfp-07

2013-06-25 Thread Ben Campbell
Thanks for the response! Comments inline: Thanks! Ben. On Jun 21, 2013, at 4:35 PM, Michael Thornburgh mthor...@adobe.com wrote: hi Ben. thanks for your review. comments/replies inline. From: Ben Campbell [mailto:b...@nostrum.com] Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 4:07 PM I am the

Re: Gen-ART LC Review of draft-thornburgh-adobe-rtmfp-07

2013-06-22 Thread Barry Leiba
you're not the first person to be confused by that construct. i will change instances of MUST ONLY to is allowed only if (or similar) and remove the definition for MUST ONLY from Section 1.2. I think this is an excellent idea. RFC 6919 aside (ahem), it's rarely a good idea to try to

SHOULD and RECOMMENDED (was: Re: Gen-ART LC Review of draft-thornburgh-adobe-rtmfp-07)

2013-06-22 Thread John C Klensin
--On Saturday, June 22, 2013 10:34 -0400 Barry Leiba barryle...@computer.org wrote: In RFC 2119, SHOULD and RECOMMENDED are synonymous (they're just covering different parts of speech; they fit differently into sentences). Changing SHOULD to RECOMMENDED (and, of course, rewording the

Re: SHOULD and RECOMMENDED (was: Re: Gen-ART LC Review of draft-thornburgh-adobe-rtmfp-07)

2013-06-22 Thread Barry Leiba
I believe that it would be wise to discourage RECOMMENDED and NOT RECOMMENDED as synonyms for SHOULD and SHOULD NOT unless they are clearly necessary to avoid awkward sentences and the non-A/S intent is completely clear. A fine suggestion, with which I agree. Barry

RE: Gen-ART LC Review of draft-thornburgh-adobe-rtmfp-07

2013-06-21 Thread Michael Thornburgh
hi Ben. thanks for your review. comments/replies inline. From: Ben Campbell [mailto:b...@nostrum.com] Sent: Thursday, June 20, 2013 4:07 PM I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. For background on Gen-ART, please see the FAQ at

Gen-ART LC Review of draft-thornburgh-adobe-rtmfp-07

2013-06-20 Thread Ben Campbell
I am the assigned Gen-ART reviewer for this draft. For background on Gen-ART, please see the FAQ at http://wiki.tools.ietf.org/area/gen/trac/wiki/GenArtfaq. Please resolve these comments along with any other Last Call comments you may receive. Document: draft-thornburgh-adobe-rtmfp-07

Re: Gen-ART LC Review of draft-thornburgh-adobe-rtmfp-07

2013-06-20 Thread Barry Leiba
-- Why does this need to be published as an IETF stream RFC? If I understand correctly, this documents an existing protocol as implemented by commercial products. I agree with Martin's comment that there is value in publishing this sort of thing, but I applaud the Adobe and the author for

Re: Gen-ART LC Review of draft-thornburgh-adobe-rtmfp-07

2013-06-20 Thread John C Klensin
--On Thursday, June 20, 2013 22:14 -0400 Barry Leiba barryle...@computer.org wrote: FWIW, the IESG has discussed this in the context of other documents, and is looking at boilerplate that does not say that the document is a product of the IETF, and makes it clear that the content is not a

Re: Gen-ART LC Review of draft-thornburgh-adobe-rtmfp-07

2013-06-20 Thread Ben Campbell
On Jun 20, 2013, at 9:14 PM, Barry Leiba barryle...@computer.org wrote: -- Why does this need to be published as an IETF stream RFC? If I understand correctly, this documents an existing protocol as implemented by commercial products. I agree with Martin's comment that there is value in

Re: Gen-ART LC Review of draft-thornburgh-adobe-rtmfp-07

2013-06-20 Thread Ben Campbell
On Jun 20, 2013, at 10:12 PM, John C Klensin john-i...@jck.com wrote: p.s. I started a much more detailed response to Ben, but I think the essence of it is above. IMO, a discussion that amounts to whether or not an AD used bad judgment by choosing to sponsor an individual Informational