On Friday, May 31, 2013, Abdussalam Baryun wrote:
So lets be explicit. This is a standards-setting body, which is
discussing
outreach, inclusiveness, wider participation outcomes, and the cost
consequences on attendance where the core motivation is standards
setting.
Yes, let's be
On 5/31/13 9:53 AM, Scott Brim wrote:
I don't know what the smiley is supposed to connote, but the IETF
responds to changes in the community by changing its engineering goals
and the problems it works on.
I would add that the IETF should change the way we solve those problems
as
Jorge,
I seriously believe you're overreacting and overrepresenting the actual
view of the people in Argentina. Few, if any, members of the Internet
community in Argentina and neighboring countries share this view, and
almost all of us can't help laughing at the ironic situation where some
people
Carlos, I clearly stated that the comment was OT, ie didn't have to much
relation with the discussion. I'm not overreacting or misrepresenting
anything, it was just an OT comment about a blog article which IMHO I
consider really stupid and completely out of lalaland.
I didn't say a protest WILL
Whether OT or not you actively contribute to the mood of the discussion.
And to have a fruitful discussion on the topic I believe we MUST
accurately represent the facts, again, regardless of being OT or not.
~Carlos
On 5/31/13 3:07 PM, Jorge Amodio wrote:
Carlos, I clearly stated that the
The existence of that article IS a fact
-Jorge
On May 31, 2013, at 1:15 PM, Carlos M. Martinez carlosm3...@gmail.com wrote:
Whether OT or not you actively contribute to the mood of the discussion.
And to have a fruitful discussion on the topic I believe we MUST
accurately represent the
On 5/30/13, George Michaelson g...@algebras.org wrote:
At risk of alienating my comrades from locations seeking to attract an IETF
for local development/inclusiveness and the like reasons, I think John gets
to the nub of the matter: the wider community cost, borne by all attendees
as a 'silent
On May 29, 2013, at 5:09 AM, Melinda Shore melinda.sh...@gmail.com wrote:
On 5/28/13 3:06 PM, l.w...@surrey.ac.uk wrote:
The centres for networking industry in Australia are Melbourne and Sydney,
in that order.
It's a bit like IETF 51 being held in Grimsby, not London or Cambridge.
ICANN 48 is to be held in Buenos Aires, Argentina, 17-21 November 2013, and I
am looking forward to it!
Patrik
On 29 maj 2013, at 04:27, Arturo Servin aser...@lacnic.net wrote:
Perhaps not. Buenos Aires is also a big hub of technology in Latin
America. In addition as it was
At 22:18 28-05-2013, GT RAMIREZ, Medel G. wrote:
How about in the Philippines? I can show my homeland
I can help facilitate the event, why dont you give it a try!
In the message that was quoted the person mentioned that:
I understand that usually the place is chosen based on the most of
sistopef...@gmail.com wrote:
Hello,
I agree with the Idea of a IETF meeting in South America.
I think it is a way to let the people know about IETF (of course there are
other ways, but this is a good one), to give the possibility to
students/engineers with very good skills to get into the IETF
Hi SM
my answer to your reply,
On 5/27/13, SM s...@resistor.net wrote:
Hi Abdussalam,
At 16:38 26-05-2013, Abdussalam Baryun wrote:
I think they SHOULD have, and all of us should do the same, because
IETF will expand and become stronger by increasing participants from
ALL Internet community
On 5/29/13, S Moonesamy sm+i...@elandsys.com wrote:
I wasn't unable to attend an IETF meeting some
time ago due to an administrative issue. The
proposal I intended to discuss about (it was
discussed during a session) was not
adopted. With hindsight I'll say that the
proposal would not have
ICANN constituencies, mission and participants are way different than IETF
and an important number of folks receive financial support to participate.
I believe the discussion is not really about if Buenos Aires is the right
location or not but if by meeting in a particular region that will drive
--On Wednesday, May 29, 2013 14:50 +1000 George Michaelson
g...@algebras.org wrote:
I went to Adelaide. it was my first IETF. I am now an IETF
regular-irregular, of 10+ years standing. So, proof by
example, it increased Australian participation by at least 1.
...
I think that increasing
--On Wednesday, May 29, 2013 08:34 +0200 Patrik Fältström
p...@frobbit.se wrote:
ICANN 48 is to be held in Buenos Aires, Argentina, 17-21
November 2013, and I am looking forward to it!
Patrik,
ICANN has taken on a formal obligation to meet regularly in
Latin America, sees significant
On 29 maj 2013, at 13:31, John C Klensin john-i...@jck.com wrote:
Given the differences between ICANN and the IETF, this is
relevant how?
I was not clear enough on my response.
I see two things discussed:
1. Whether the organisation should move around and place meetings here and
there.
Hello,
I agree with the Idea of a IETF meeting in South America.
I think it is a way to let the people know about IETF (of course there are
other ways, but this is a good one), to give the possibility to
students/engineers with very good skills to get into the IETF, thinking
that it is going
Hello,
I'd also say that I've never heard anyone making that sort of statement.
For instance, the argentinan government itself has a program to increase
Internet connectivity throughout the country --
That is the web page of the program that Fernando mentions,
At 02:19 29-05-2013, Abdussalam Baryun wrote:
I don't think I should follow the IETF culture to make my I-D adopted
by WG, but I may follow the good/technical reasons the WG provide. We
If a working group does not show any interest in working on an I-D it
is a good enough reason, in my
yes, I made a facetious posting because I sensed that we were discussing
outcomes on a basis of 'nothing happened' when in fact, I think by scale,
Australian participation reflects if not exceeds our numerical role in
standards development and Internet matters. There is reason to believe we
do
On 5/27/2013 11:38 PM, Christian O'Flaherty wrote:
I would like to follow up on this proposal. Having a meeting in South
America scheduled two or three years in advance will let us engage
local organisations and individuals on a project. We did several
activities in the region trying to
Hi,
Actually it's not industry that I hear complaining, but individuals.
Eliot
On 5/27/13 10:08 AM, Jari Arkko wrote:
Melinda wrote:
The industry sector bias in IETF participation is
possibly compounding the regional bias.
Yes.
Jari
Riiight. That is why one never has to attend an IETF meeting in person to serve
on NOMCOM, one does not need travel support from one's employer to be on the
IESG, and why people who never come to IETF meetings are the rule and not the
exception with respect to getting documents adopted and
On May 28, 2013, at 8:46 AM, Eric Burger ebur...@standardstrack.com wrote:
Riiight. That is why one never has to attend an IETF meeting in person to
serve on NOMCOM, one does not need travel support from one's employer to be
on the IESG, and why people who never come to IETF meetings are the
Date: 05/25/2013 03:10 AM
Subject: WebRTC and emergency communications (Was: Re: IETF Meeting
in South America)
Sent by: ietf-boun...@ietf.org
James:
did you know that you have a audio/video realtime interactive
communications WG churning out proposals and solutions
Dear IETF Managers,
My name is Rogério Mariano and I`m a member of the Internet Society (Global
Member # 339380) and a student of Internet Governance Programme (IGCBP)
DiploFoundation and Consultant for the definition and operation of the
Service Provider direction related to the technical
I support to try the new meeting sites such as South America or Africa.
Jiankang Yao
From: Abdussalam Baryun
Date: 2013-05-27 07:38
To: SM
CC: ietf; dcrocker
Subject: Re: More participation from under-represented regions (was: IETF
Meeting in South America)
I support to add the new region
The IETF has a big problem, IMHO, in that effective participation really does
currently seem to require meeting attendance. There's a reason
that nomcom members have to show up—if they didn't, they wouldn't be part of
the actual culture of IETF, because so much IETF culture is
bound up
On 05/27/2013 07:31 AM, Juliao Braga wrote:
According to the news published for a long time in Brazilian newspapers
and magazines, Buenos Aires (a wonderful place!) would not be
recommended.
Recommended for what? And on what basis?
Cheers,
--
Fernando Gont
e-mail: ferna...@gont.com.ar ||
Jorge,
On 05/27/2013 08:16 AM, Jorge Amodio wrote:
I feel that is totally OT but for example we have supporters of the
current government like this one, claiming to be a writer, that if you
are able to read in Spanish or helped by a translator to read his
article, you will learn that he is
Hi, Tim,
On 05/27/2013 09:19 AM, Tim Chown wrote:
The move appears to be related to new, restrictive
regulations the Argentine government has imposed on currency exchanges.'
According to the Telegraph, 'The new regulations required anyone wanting
to change Argentine pesos into another
Hi Fernando,
Please, read my sentence complementary to comment:
...But who should tell us about the true cenary would be our
Argentine friends.
Regards,
Julião
Em 28/05/2013 10:36, Fernando Gont escreveu:
On 05/27/2013 07:31 AM, Juliao Braga wrote:
According to the news published for a long
On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 12:10 AM, Jari Arkko jari.ar...@piuha.net wrote:
James:
did you know that you have a audio/video realtime interactive
communications WG churning out proposals and solutions that is *actively*
ignoring emergency communications in its entirety? No? Look at RTCweb,
On 5/28/13 6:20 AM, Christian O'Flaherty wrote:
Probably, this lack of social interaction in our region is one of
the main reasons for low participation. Most of latin american
IETFers are currently living outside the region and they engaged in
the IETF when living in the US or Europe. It's
On 5/23/13 8:02 PM, David Conrad wrote:
On May 23, 2013, at 7:44 PM, Melinda Shore melinda.sh...@gmail.com wrote:
So the question is why we aren't seeing more drafts, reviews, and
discussions from people in Central and South America,
Language?
It would seem likely when the participation is
Julio,
I'm worried about people making statements on a random basis.
I assume that many people (IAOC and many others) have made a lot of
effort before getting to the point of formally proposing/suggesting to
have an IETF meeting in Buenos Aires. I bet much of that effort had to
do with making an
The bad things that happen in Argentina financially affect only
Argentinians. I'm not saying this is a good thing overall, just saying
that this isn't a problem for tourists and certainly won't be a problem
for IETFers.
Probably these financial 'issues' will even affect positively the
At 11:58 AM 5/28/2013, Ted Hardie wrote:
On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 12:10 AM, Jari Arkko
mailto:jari.ar...@piuha.netjari.ar...@piuha.net wrote:
James:
did you know that you have a audio/video realtime interactive
communications WG churning out proposals and solutions that is
*actively*
Dear Fernando,
If I have to decide about a meeting in Buenos Aires based in the
information that I read in the Brazilian newspapers and magazines I
decide to no. By this reason I need to listen from Argentine people, as
you. I believe this is the right way to decide.
The choice of Buenos Aires
I would suggest we not try to sort out on this list which sorts of Internet
services are subject to American regulations.
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 2:20 PM, James Polk jmp...@cisco.com wrote:
At 11:58 AM 5/28/2013, Ted Hardie wrote:
On Sat, May 25, 2013 at 12:10 AM, Jari Arkko mailto:
Dear Rogério Mariano,
You have a great deal of experience. Since the mission of the IETF is to
make the Internet better, could you point out specific problems that you
would like to work on in the IETF? When you say infrastructure and
standardization, that is very general. If there were an
On May 28, 2013, at 11:25 AM, Richard Barnes r...@ipv.sx wrote:
I would suggest we not try to sort out on this list which sorts of Internet
services are subject to American regulations.
Or those of any other jurisdiction. If jurisdiction Z comes to the IETF and
says we have declared protocol
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 2:15 PM, Melinda Shore melinda.sh...@gmail.com wrote:
On 5/28/13 6:20 AM, Christian O'Flaherty wrote:
Probably, this lack of social interaction in our region is one of
the main reasons for low participation. Most of latin american
IETFers are currently living outside
It would seem likely when the participation is heaviliy biased towards
equipment vendors and software tooling that the participants would be more
representative of where the concentration of the development sideo of that
work occurs.
This is true, but this is also something where active
On Tue, May 28, 2013 at 11:20 AM, James Polk jmp...@cisco.com wrote:
Quoting Henning:
At least in the US, many of the WebRTC services would be considered
interconnected VoIP, so they are indeed subject to 911 obligations.
James
BTW- yeah, I know I'm picking a fight - but Jari singled this
Julio,
On 05/28/2013 08:20 PM, Juliao Braga wrote:
If I have to decide about a meeting in Buenos Aires based in the
information that I read in the Brazilian newspapers and magazines I
decide to no.
Could you please provide pointers to such articles? Additionally, could
you please summarize
Fernando,
Please, read the Brazilian newspapers and magazines.
I'm not looking for news from Argentina. I see them and / or read just
the same way that I see or read others news, always an passant.
This type of issue is not exactly my specialty or interest. But you can
see a handful of recents
Any sense of why that didn't happen with Australians after
the Adelaide meeting?
The centres for networking industry in Australia are Melbourne and Sydney, in
that order.
It's a bit like IETF 51 being held in Grimsby, not London or Cambridge.
Lloyd Wood
http://sat-net.com/L.Wood
Juliao,
I went to all this sites (besides BBC Brazil) and searched for
Argentina. There were some news about economy, the lady President, some
about the senate, commercial balance but none saying huu, scary
Argentina, do not go there.
Regards,
as
On 5/28/13 7:13 PM, Juliao Braga wrote:
On 5/28/13 11:56 AM, Christian O'Flaherty wrote:
It would seem likely when the participation is heaviliy biased towards
equipment vendors and software tooling that the participants would be more
representative of where the concentration of the development sideo of that
work occurs.
This is
Arturo,
Who said ...huu, scary Argentina, do not go there? Where? In this list?
Em 28/05/2013 20:09, Arturo Servin escreveu:
Juliao,
I went to all this sites (besides BBC Brazil) and searched for
Argentina. There were some news about economy, the lady President, some
about the
not be recommended sounds to me it sounded like huu, scary, do not
go there.
/as
On 5/27/13 2:31 AM, Juliao Braga wrote: According to the news
published for a long time in Brazilian newspapers
and magazines, Buenos Aires (a wonderful place!) would not be
recommended. But who
Arturo,
I'm sorry that you interpret this way. But absolutely, I do not mean to
offend. Only expressed a point of view and said that our Argentine
friends could clarify. You can not trust the press, totally.
Anyway, I apologize if there was offense.
Best Regards,
Juliao
Em 28/05/2013 20:36,
Not taken. It was estrange to me that it were many news about how bad
Argentina is in the Brazilian press. I read frequently BBC-Brazil and
other newspapers of latin america and I haven't read such things, that
is why.
/as
On 5/28/13 8:45 PM, Juliao Braga wrote:
Arturo,
I'm
On 5/28/13 3:06 PM, l.w...@surrey.ac.uk wrote:
The centres for networking industry in Australia are Melbourne and Sydney, in
that order.
It's a bit like IETF 51 being held in Grimsby, not London or Cambridge.
Okay. So, should we be extrapolating from this to what
we can expect from
Perhaps not. Buenos Aires is also a big hub of technology in Latin
America. In addition as it was mentioned it relatively close from Sao
Paulo, Montevideo and Santiago. Also there are direct flights from other
major cities in Peru and Colombia.
Going to Buenos Aires, Sao Paulo,
I think we can expect a lot of Brazilians people in Buenos Aires.
Juliao
Em 28/05/2013 23:09, Melinda Shore escreveu:
Okay. So, should we be extrapolating from this to what
we can expect from Brazilians if we meet in Buenos
Aires?
On 5/28/13 6:27 PM, Arturo Servin wrote:
Going to Buenos Aires, Sao Paulo, Mexico City or Santiago will always
split audiences as these are the major tech hubs in the region (also add
Bogota, Lima, San Jose and other cities). So, I think it is not
comparable with Australia.
I actually
On 5/28/13 11:47 PM, Melinda Shore wrote:
On 5/28/13 6:27 PM, Arturo Servin wrote:
Going to Buenos Aires, Sao Paulo, Mexico City or Santiago will always
split audiences as these are the major tech hubs in the region (also add
Bogota, Lima, San Jose and other cities). So, I think it is
May 2013 03:47
To: ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: IETF Meeting in South America
On 5/28/13 6:27 PM, Arturo Servin wrote:
Going to Buenos Aires, Sao Paulo, Mexico City or Santiago will always
split audiences as these are the major tech hubs in the region (also add
Bogota, Lima, San Jose and other
Hello,
I agree with the Idea of a IETF meeting in South America.
I think it is a way to let the people know about IETF (of course there are
other ways, but this is a good one), to give the possibility to
students/engineers with very good skills to get into the IETF, thinking
that it is going
Hello,
I'd also say that I've never heard anyone making that sort of statement.
For instance, the argentinan government itself has a program to increase
Internet connectivity throughout the country --
That is the web page of the program that Fernando mentions,
said?
Thanks so much!
Lloyd Wood
http://sat-net.com/L.Wood/
From: ietf-boun...@ietf.org [ietf-boun...@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Melinda
Shore [melinda.sh...@gmail.com]
Sent: 29 May 2013 03:47
To: ietf@ietf.org
Subject: Re: IETF Meeting in South
Meeting in South America
Hello,
I agree with the Idea of a IETF meeting in South America.
I think it is a way to let the people know about IETF (of course there
are other ways, but this is a good one), to give the possibility to
students/engineers with very good skills to get into the IETF
Just wondering if some folks realize that IETF meetings are not missionary
trips, conferences, conventions or industry trade shows ...
-Jorge
Hi Abdussalam,
At 16:38 26-05-2013, Abdussalam Baryun wrote:
I think they SHOULD have, and all of us should do the same, because
IETF will expand and become stronger by increasing participants from
ALL Internet community regions. The answers also based on IETF vesion.
The question was about
The financial and political current situation is more complex than just the
manipulation and restrictions on currency exchange and payment of obligations.
I feel that is totally OT but for example we have supporters of the current
government like this one, claiming to be a writer, that if you
On 27 May 2013, at 05:15, John Levine jo...@taugh.com wrote:
The move appears to be related to new, restrictive
regulations the Argentine government has imposed on currency exchanges.'
According to the Telegraph, 'The new regulations required anyone wanting
to change Argentine pesos into
I'm not quite sure the currency exchange issues are key for this discussion.
FWIW, I think you can still budget in Euros for the Berlin meeting, but I'm
only 97% sure :-)
Anyway, I wanted to highlight that, as has been pointed out by many, just
meeting at some place makes little sense. But the
Is this above advice from Tripadvisor correct?
I believe so, but when I was there a few years ago for the ICANN meeting,
excess cash was not a problem. It wasn't hard to estimate how much cash
I'd need, and whatever was left I spent at the airport. The wine they
drink in Argentina is often
The most difficult part for any emergency calling system is location delivery.
WebRTC probably doesn't have much impact on emergency calls if all the calls
traverse a server of some kind and if the caller location can be looked up
based on caller IP addresses, but once you have the end system
You should double check, regulations about currency markets are changing
very often, custom/immigration officials will almost for sure ask you how
much currency you are bringing and for what, and as the trip advisor page
says don't expect to be able to convert back leftover pesos to foreign
Even for location delivery, there's not that much to say at the standards
layer.
For *delivery*, the story is the same as with signaling. Either the RTCWeb
VoIP service can translate the location information to comply with RFC
6442, or the PSAP can just build a web app that collects it however
Agreed - this is not so much about standards, but developer awareness. If we
write any how to or similar informational documents, they should probably
contain that type of discussion.
There is a browser aspect, however: Right now, users only have a binary choice
about location disclosure, even
On May 27, 2013 10:56 AM, Henning Schulzrinne h...@cs.columbia.edu wrote:
Agreed - this is not so much about standards, but developer awareness. If
we write any how to or similar informational documents, they should
probably contain that type of discussion.
There is a browser aspect, however:
On 27 May 2013, at 16:37, John R Levine jo...@taugh.com wrote:
Is this above advice from Tripadvisor correct?
I believe so, but when I was there a few years ago for the ICANN meeting,
excess cash was not a problem. It wasn't hard to estimate how much cash I'd
need, and whatever was left
Hi,
On Mon, May 27, 2013 at 5:08 AM, Jari Arkko jari.ar...@piuha.net wrote:
I'm not quite sure the currency exchange issues are key for this discussion.
FWIW, I think you can still budget in Euros for the Berlin meeting,
but I'm only 97% sure :-)
Anyway, I wanted to highlight that, as has
Keep in mind, though, that the binary decision is usually per site. So if
the PSAP is web-enabled, the user can provide location to 911.gov, and not
anyone else.
That seems like a solution that's more likely to deploy than something that
requires the browser to distinguish emergency from
The IAOC has put forward two reasons for having an IETF meeting in South
America:
Encouraging growing participation will help strengthen the Internet,
further encourage participation from those areas that will see the
most growth in the coming years, and will help advance the IETF in
political
This is the main question with one pragmatic solution proposal in brief,
and well justified!
Juliao
Em 26/05/2013 13:42, Dave Crocker escreveu:
If we are serious about wanting more participation from
under-represented regions, then let's attack that issue seriously and
substantively, rather
Indeed, there has already been some coordination between the groups, going
back about a year:
http://tools.ietf.org/agenda/84/slides/slides-84-ecrit-0.pdf
http://tools.ietf.org/id/draft-aboba-rtcweb-ecrit-00.txt
So my read of the situation is much less dire than James's. As I
understand it, the
At 09:42 26-05-2013, Dave Crocker wrote:
I like visiting South America. But IETF meetings do not have
tourism as a goal. So yes, I'm sure those who go will enjoy the
city; but again, that's not stated purpose of choosing venues.
Over a year ago the IAOC [was] pleased to announce the Return
--On Sunday, May 26, 2013 15:46 -0400 Ray Pelletier
rpellet...@isoc.org wrote:
The venues are in Buenos Aires. They meet our requirements
for the meeting space, networking, nearby restaurants and
bars, hotel room rates in the mid $200 dollar range, nearby
alternate hotels at a broad range
I support to add the new region, hoping in future Africa gets its
chance. IMO, I thought about it from another point of view. After a
long time of having IETF meetings mostly in one region (as history of
North America region gaining most meetings), the result of that was
that IETF participants are
I support the ietf-meeting in new regions, and reply as below,
On 5/26/13, Dave Crocker d...@dcrocker.net wrote:
The IAOC has put forward two reasons for having an IETF meeting in South
America:
Encouraging growing participation will help strengthen the Internet,
further encourage
Just to make the topic a little more interesting...
Google Unable To Keep Paying App Developers In Argentina
http://developers.slashdot.org/story/13/05/25/132232/google-unable-to-keep-paying-app-developers-in-argentina
Google has sent letters to app developers registered in Argentina
The move appears to be related to new, restrictive
regulations the Argentine government has imposed on currency exchanges.'
According to the Telegraph, 'The new regulations required anyone wanting
to change Argentine pesos into another currency to submit an online
request for permission
According to the news published for a long time in Brazilian newspapers
and magazines, Buenos Aires (a wonderful place!) would not be
recommended. But who should tell us about the true cenary would be our
Argentine friends.
Juliao
Em 27/05/2013 01:15, John Levine escreveu:
These kinds of
James:
did you know that you have a audio/video realtime interactive communications
WG churning out proposals and solutions that is *actively* ignoring
emergency communications in its entirety? No? Look at RTCweb, which will
become a dominant form of interactive communications between
--On Saturday, May 25, 2013 10:10 +0300 Jari Arkko
jari.ar...@piuha.net wrote:
...
I didn't know about the details of the emergency
communications situation. But it is always difficult to
balance getting something out early vs. complete. I know how
much pressure there is on the working
I don't think there is any general solution to the early vs.
complete tradeoff [1],
IMHO, that general answer is; having good organisation or management
from all parts participants, discussion chairs and from directors.
nor, as long as we keep trying to deal
with things as collections of
At 20:42 23-05-2013, Jorge Amodio wrote:
Taking the IETF meeting to Buenos Aires is not a bad idea, but when
the meeting is over the root problem will still be there.
Jari Arkko is the Chair of the IETF. He asked the following
questions (
Vinayak,
Maybe several co-located meetings or having people from the IETF speak at
universities and regional ISOC chapters around the meeting might help. Also
showcasing the good work done by their Latin American peers might help as
well.
Good ideas. Thanks.
Jari
On 5/24/13 3:05 AM, SM wrote:
Just meeting in some place does not bring too many new participants,
at least not in a lasting manner. But combined with some other actions,
this may be possible. Are there specific companies or research teams
that
we could reach out to, and who
The == The IAOC bob.hin...@gmail.com writes:
The The venues are in Buenos Aires. They meet our requirements for the
meeting
The space, networking, nearby restaurants and bars, hotel room rates in
the mid $200
The dollar range, nearby alternate hotels at a broad range of prices,
Where are you flying from?
There are direct flights from Miami, Dallas, Toronto, Washington and
other hubs to Buenos Aires.
Regards,
as
On 5/24/13 11:12 AM, Michael Richardson wrote:
The == The IAOC bob.hin...@gmail.com writes:
The The venues are in Buenos Aires.
Also, there are several events in each country that can be used to
disseminate the actions of IETF. In Brazil, for example, the events
linked to universities and research centers are promoted by the
Brazilian Computer Society (a lot of). Other less formal events but with
participation of people
Hello,
Just a small comment:
On 5/23/13, Jari Arkko jari.ar...@piuha.net wrote:
For what it is worth, I wanted to provide my perspective on this. I of
course believe that it is important that the IETF reaches out to an even
{...}
Just meeting in some place does not bring too many new
Hi Juliao,
At 18:34 23-05-2013, Juliao Braga wrote:
I stare at the map of where the IETF meetings occurred
(http://ws.org.br/index.php/IETF_Meetings) and wondering if the fact of
bringing some of the meetings to below the Equator could lead to
increase people participation.
That's a nice map.
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