Re: [Trustees] IETF Trust response to the appeal by John C Klensin (July 18, 2009

2009-09-08 Thread SM
Hi Russ, At 12:07 07-09-2009, Russ Housley wrote: I'm sorry that you read it that way. The first response that was drafted was a point-by-point reply as you suggest. It was extremely repetitive, with the same points being made over and over. I found the reply cumbersome at best. It was my

Re: IETF Trust response to the appeal by John C Klensin (July 18, 2009

2009-09-08 Thread Russ Housley
Pete Thomas: This response is my own. I have not coordinated it with the Trustees. Without taking positions on the specifics of the appeal or the response, I have to say that my take on the response is that it doesn't properly address the appeal and is inadequate. I would have expected

Re: IETF Trust response to the appeal by John C Klensin (July 18, 2009

2009-09-08 Thread Margaret Wasserman
Dear Trustees, I agree with the message from Thomas Narten, cc:ed below. I expected, and request that you provide, a reply to John Klensin's appeal that is more directly responsive to the issues that John raised. Also, I agree with John's concerns about discussion of this appeal being

Re: [Trustees] IETF Trust response to the appeal by John C Klensin (July 18, 2009

2009-09-07 Thread Russ Housley
Thomas: I'm sorry that you read it that way. The first response that was drafted was a point-by-point reply as you suggest. It was extremely repetitive, with the same points being made over and over. I found the reply cumbersome at best. It was my suggestion that we take the points that

Re: IETF Trust response to the appeal by John C Klensin (July 18, 2009

2009-09-07 Thread Pete Resnick
On 9/7/09 at 3:07 PM -0400, Russ Housley wrote: At 08:28 AM 9/4/2009, Thomas Narten wrote: Without taking positions on the specifics of the appeal or the response, I have to say that my take on the response is that it doesn't properly address the appeal and is inadequate. I would have

Re: IETF Trust response to the appeal by John C Klensin (July 18, 2009

2009-09-07 Thread ned+ietf
I just had a chance to review this, and unfortunately I find myself in complete agreement with Pete on all of the points he makes. Ned On 9/7/09 at 3:07 PM -0400, Russ Housley wrote: At 08:28 AM 9/4/2009, Thomas Narten wrote: Without taking positions on the

Re: IETF Trust response to the appeal by John C Klensin (July 18, 2009

2009-09-06 Thread Simon Josefsson
Thomas Narten nar...@us.ibm.com writes: Without taking positions on the specifics of the appeal or the response, I have to say that my take on the response is that it doesn't properly address the appeal and is inadequate. I would have expected the specific issues raised in the appeal to be

Re: IETF Trust response to the appeal by John C Klensin (July 18, 2009

2009-09-06 Thread John C Klensin
--On Thursday, September 03, 2009 6:28 PM -0700 David Kessens david.kess...@nsn.com wrote: John, On Thu, Sep 03, 2009 at 07:33:37PM -0400, John C Klensin wrote: Instead, it was about the behavior of the Trustees and their interactions with the IETF Community. _That_ discussion is

Re: IETF Trust response to the appeal by John C Klensin (July 18, 2009

2009-09-04 Thread Thomas Narten
Without taking positions on the specifics of the appeal or the response, I have to say that my take on the response is that it doesn't properly address the appeal and is inadequate. I would have expected the specific issues raised in the appeal to be responded to in a direct manner, with a clear

Re: IETF Trust response to the appeal by John C Klensin (July 18, 2009

2009-09-04 Thread Peter Sylvester
The entire response has been posted to the tlp-interest list Why wasn't it send to the ISS? It may be easier ... Please copy the response to the IETF list Thanks ___ Ietf mailing list Ietf@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/ietf

Re: IETF Trust response to the appeal by John C Klensin (July 18, 2009

2009-09-03 Thread John C Klensin
--On Thursday, September 03, 2009 15:42 -0700 IETF Administrative Director i...@ietf.org wrote: Greetings; The IETF Trust has considered the appeal by John C Klensin on July 18, 2009 and has posted a response at the Trust appeals page, http://trustee.ietf.org/trustappeals.html The

Re: IETF Trust response to the appeal by John C Klensin (July 18, 2009

2009-09-03 Thread David Kessens
John, On Thu, Sep 03, 2009 at 07:33:37PM -0400, John C Klensin wrote: Instead, it was about the behavior of the Trustees and their interactions with the IETF Community. _That_ discussion is better carried out on the IETF list, in plain sight of the community, even that portion who do not

IETF Trust response to the appeal by John C Klensin (July 18, 2009

2009-09-03 Thread IETF Administrative Director
Greetings; The IETF Trust has considered the appeal by John C Klensin on July 18, 2009 and has posted a response at the Trust appeals page, http://trustee.ietf.org/trustappeals.html The Trustees request that discussion of this response be on the tlp-interest list, tlp-inter...@ietf.org, with cc