Re: Proper WG chairs (Re: Voting (again))

2005-05-10 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Dave Crocker wrote: But I would suspect that we aren't careful enough for Chair positions in being certain that the candidate has enough free time and full support from their employer. Not that it would guarantee anything, but it might be useful to have a candidate for working group chair formall

Re: Proper WG chairs (Re: Voting (again))

2005-05-09 Thread John C Klensin
--On Monday, 09 May, 2005 22:21 +0300 Jari Arkko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > All excellent points. I would add that the process should > start from the potential new chair "resource" at least being > (a) known to IETF management so that he can even be > considered and (b) the resource getting e

Re: Proper WG chairs (Re: Voting (again))

2005-05-09 Thread Jari Arkko
John, I would add one, which is the consequence of your "known enough to the AD..." observation. There is a completely natural tendency, whether it causes this problem or others, for the ADs to keep going back to the same well of people who have known abilities, especially abilities to handle thi

RE: Proper WG chairs (Re: Voting (again))

2005-05-09 Thread John C Klensin
--On Monday, 09 May, 2005 20:49 +0200 Harald Tveit Alvestrand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Harald, >> >> you forgot one: >> >> - willingness to continue working as a chair, long after >> their day job has moved onto new topics. >> >> In this business, most folks change tasks, if not jobs,

RE: Proper WG chairs (Re: Voting (again))

2005-05-09 Thread Harald Tveit Alvestrand
--On mandag, mai 09, 2005 21:38:41 +0200 John Loughney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Harald, you forgot one: - willingness to continue working as a chair, long after their day job has moved onto new topics. In this business, most folks change tasks, if not jobs, sooner than the average half-life o

Re: Proper WG chairs (Re: Voting (again))

2005-05-09 Thread John Loughney
you to be brief. --- original message --- Subject:Re: Proper WG chairs (Re: Voting (again)) Sender: Brian E Carpenter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 05/09/2005 3:38 pm Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote: > > > --On 8. mai 2005 23:54 +0200 Julian Reschke <[EMAIL

RE: Proper WG chairs (Re: Voting (again))

2005-05-09 Thread John Loughney
email is that t9 forces you to be brief. --- original message --- Subject:Proper WG chairs (Re: Voting (again)) Sender: Harald Tveit Alvestrand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: 05/09/2005 1:56 pm --On 8. mai 2005 23:54 +0200 Julian Reschke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>

Re: Proper WG chairs (Re: Voting (again))

2005-05-09 Thread John C Klensin
--On Monday, 09 May, 2005 13:56 +0200 Harald Tveit Alvestrand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >... > My immediate reaction is "who were the available candidates > for chair" > In contentious groups, the requirement list is roughly (not in > priority order): > > - Knows enough of the technology t

Re: Proper WG chairs (Re: Voting (again))

2005-05-09 Thread Dave Crocker
> But I would suspect that we aren't careful enough for Chair > > positions in being certain that the candidate has enough free time and > full support from their employer. Not that it would guarantee anything, but it might be useful to have a candidate for working group chair formally agree t

Re: Proper WG chairs (Re: Voting (again))

2005-05-09 Thread Brian E Carpenter
Harald Tveit Alvestrand wrote: --On 8. mai 2005 23:54 +0200 Julian Reschke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ISTR a case of a WG that got replaced its chair by the IESG, and told to do its work differently, two or three times - and *every* time, the new chair stopped posting to the list after a short t

Proper WG chairs (Re: Voting (again))

2005-05-09 Thread Harald Tveit Alvestrand
--On 8. mai 2005 23:54 +0200 Julian Reschke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ISTR a case of a WG that got replaced its chair by the IESG, and told to do its work differently, two or three times - and *every* time, the new chair stopped posting to the list after a short time. (The last time, I think h