Re: Improving the ISOC Fellowship programme to attract people from under-represented regions into the IETF

2013-10-13 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
The DT I am discussing has no clear problem to solve, the appointment is not clear, I have been asking for a WG but only DT was done. The DT has no milestones and no clear objectives, is it a DT or a WG. We don't need the DT to adopt or agree on any real draft effort submitted, it is the community

RE: Improving the ISOC Fellowship programme to attract people from under-represented regions into the IETF

2013-10-12 Thread Adrian Farrel
Abdussalam Baryun said: I am part of the community design team as well because I participate with community more than the private hidden  groups. I think that the draft is a true work open to IETF. I still did not get a reply to my request to know what is the DT authority, very strange name

RE: Improving the ISOC Fellowship programme to attract people from under-represented regions into the IETF

2013-10-12 Thread Melinda Shore
On Oct 12, 2013 6:51 AM, Adrian Farrel adr...@olddog.co.uk wrote: I don't understand your assertion that there is no procedure in the IETF to support the existence of a Design Team. I'd be sorry to see this discussion dragged down a procedural rathole. Melinda

Re: Improving the ISOC Fellowship programme to attract people from under-represented regions into the IETF

2013-10-11 Thread Eggert, Lars
Hi, I'm part of the design team. SM has written this document to begin a discussion with the broader IETF. The document does not have the consensus of the design team, and it is therefore obviously not a recommendation by the design team. Lars On Oct 10, 2013, at 20:10, S Moonesamy

Re: Improving the ISOC Fellowship programme to attract people from under-represented regions into the IETF

2013-10-11 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
I am part of the community design team as well because I participate with community more than the private hidden groups. I think that the draft is a true work open to IETF. I still did not get a reply to my request to know what is the DT authority, very strange name without any procedure in IETF,

Re: Improving the ISOC Fellowship programme to attract people from under-represented regions into the IETF

2013-10-11 Thread Eggert, Lars
Hi, On Oct 11, 2013, at 10:41, Abdussalam Baryun abdussalambar...@gmail.com wrote: I am part of the community design team as well because I participate with community more than the private hidden groups. I think that the draft is a true work open to IETF. I haven't said that anything to the

RE: Improving the ISOC Fellowship programme to attract people from under-represented regions into the IETF

2013-10-11 Thread l.wood
I am part of the community design team as well ... as being the coauthor of a MANET RFC! Lloyd Wood http://sat-net.com/L.Wood/

Re: Improving the ISOC Fellowship programme to attract people from under-represented regions into the IETF

2013-10-11 Thread Eggert, Lars
Hi, On Oct 11, 2013, at 14:43, Jari Arkko jari.ar...@piuha.net wrote: I do have a question for Lars though. What are your opinions on this? (You said that there is no consensus, but I'd like to hear also your thoughts.) so one key question is what influence the IETF actually has on an ISOC

Re: Improving the ISOC Fellowship programme to attract people from under-represented regions into the IETF

2013-10-11 Thread Jari Arkko
we need to keep the flexibility of bringing in someone new agree But my main issue is that the draft sounds like its trying to take over and redefine an ISOC program, which I don't think the IETF can or should do. The ISOC program has a purpose, a history and at least from my perspective

Re: Improving the ISOC Fellowship programme to attract people from under-represented regions into the IETF

2013-10-11 Thread Abdussalam Baryun
I did not like the change of the title which was suggested in diversity list. the first title was related to IETF, because we need to attract more other regions in IETF or to facilitate the improve of other region's participation. The draft's solution was to recommend fellowship (should not be the