Re: What is the IETF? -- A note of caution

2000-12-18 Thread Harald Alvestrand
At 14:02 18/12/2000 +1030, Andrew Rutherford wrote: At 09:49 -0500 15/12/00, John C Klensin wrote: I don't think company names on badges are harmful, and they do help us identify each other (otherwise, we could carry the principle to the limits and leave the names off too, replacing them with

Re: What is the IETF? -- A note of caution

2000-12-18 Thread Michael W. Condry
The point of individuality is a good one. But this should be the choice of the person. They can write whatever they choose for the company. For many of us it is informative. At 02:02 PM 12/18/2000 +1030, Andrew Rutherford wrote: At 09:49 -0500 15/12/00, John C Klensin wrote: I don't think

Re: What is the IETF? -- A note of caution

2000-12-17 Thread Dave Crocker
At 09:49 AM 12/15/00 -0500, John C Klensin wrote: where we work and what we do in our day jobs inevitably impacts our experience and perspective. and At 09:40 AM 12/15/00 -0800, Fred Baker wrote: I mention the corporate relationships of the Area Directors for a very simple reason. I think the

Re: What is the IETF? -- A note of caution

2000-12-17 Thread Andrew Rutherford
At 09:49 -0500 15/12/00, John C Klensin wrote: I don't think company names on badges are harmful, and they do help us identify each other (otherwise, we could carry the principle to the limits and leave the names off too, replacing them with randomly-assigned numbers). So what about replacing

Re: What is the IETF? -- A note of caution

2000-12-15 Thread James Seng/Personal
(I copy this to the poisson list, since I am somehow blocked from the IETF list). I am fully understand what your concern is. But, - what should those "corporate representative" do? - where should they go? The point is you dont, not in IETF. Either you are interested in the work you doing

Re: What is the IETF? -- A note of caution

2000-12-14 Thread Matt Crawford
But in retrospect, one thing he said bothered me greatly. He mentioned there were representatives of some five hundred different organizations at this meeting. That too is impressive. But it's that word "representative" I find disquieting. We are here not as corporate

Re: What is the IETF? -- A note of caution

2000-12-14 Thread Rahmat M. Samik-Ibrahim
Hello: (I copy this to the poisson list, since I am somehow blocked from the IETF list). I am fully understand what your concern is. But, - what should those "corporate representative" do? - where should they go? best regards, -- Rahmat M. Samik-Ibrahim - VLSM-TJT - http://rms46.vlsm.org

RE: What is the IETF? -- A note of caution

2000-12-14 Thread Kyle Lussier
But it's that word "representative" I find disquieting. I second everything you said John. How does the IETF prevent a "RAMBUS" type scenario where a company sits in on IETF, copies the technologies, patents them, waits for everyone to adopt them, and then sues everyone for infringement? This

Re: What is the IETF? -- A note of caution

2000-12-14 Thread Keith Moore
He also introduced the ADs as "name from employer" after the IAB had been introduced solely by name. I don't like the word "representatives" either. But employers who support employees' IESG and IAB participation certainly deserve to be recognized, since such an employee will spend a

Re: What is the IETF? -- A note of caution

2000-12-14 Thread Ari Ollikainen
At 3:34 PM -0800 12/14/00, John W Noerenberg II wrote: We are here not as corporate representatives, but as individuals committed to building the best Internet we can. Becoming part of a working group means you leave your company badge at the door. As the Internet has become more and more

Re: What is the IETF? -- A note of caution

2000-12-14 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Thu, 14 Dec 2000 21:11:25 EST, Kyle Lussier said: How does the IETF prevent a "RAMBUS" type scenario where a company sits in on IETF, copies the technologies, patents them, waits for everyone to adopt them, and then sues everyone for infringement? They can't copy-and-patent the technology

Re: What is the IETF? -- A note of caution

2000-12-14 Thread Ole J. Jacobsen
Did we not just have this whole debate on the Poisson list or is this a new flavor? Ole Ole J. Jacobsen Editor and Publisher The Internet Protocol Journal Office of the CTO, Cisco Systems Tel: +1 408-527-8972 GSM: +1 415-370-4628 E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] URL: http://www.cisco.com/ipj On